Did the St Kilda board rig a clash jumper poll in 2007?
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Did the St Kilda board rig a clash jumper poll in 2007?
Apologies for another clash jumper thread, but I thought this warranted one of its own. I put up a post on this at Red, White and Black, but I thought a few people on here would be interested to know about this and discuss it.
Some of you here will be familiar with the fantastic footyjumpers.com, which is run by Roberth Meredith (more commonly known as "Mero"), and is a brilliantly researched, detailed look at the history of the jumper designs of VFL/AFL clubs.
Mero posts regularly on the Footy Graphic Design board at BigFooty, and in the last few days a thread was started on the board titled "Jumpers that never were". I posted this jumper, which some will remember lost out in a two-way vote in the 2007 pre-season to the much-despised "apron" design:
Later in the thread, Mero said something quite surprising about the jumper design I'd posted - it turns out he'd designed it:
"The jumper I designed, with the chevrons down the sides was leading the poll with one day to go.
And when they announced the decision it was the other jumper by something like 60% to 40%.
My thoughts were they had decided on the one they wanted, and ran the other one to make it look like the fans had a say.
Not bitter, wasn't getting anything out of it, so it doesn't matter, and I don't barrack for StKilda, but I was taking an interest because of the design, and they definitely pulled a swifty."
Later in the thread (further down this page) he talks about his involvement with the St Kilda Heritage Museum (and his contibution to the 2005 Heritage Round jumper design) and how his chevron design ended up being in the official poll.
So two issues arise here if you disliked the apron design as much as I did: firstly, of course, the fact that the club ended up wearing it at all when it shouldn't have, but there is of course the bigger issue of the Rod Butterss board - assuming what Mero said is true - effectively lying to its fans about giving it the chance to have a say in the club's operations, regardless of how much magnitude you afford the clash jumper design issue.
As an aside, his story about the 2005 Heritage Jumper is quite interesting - particularly the idea of a gold jumper as a clash design to replace the candy stripe - and the history of the St Kilda jumper's evolution is worth checking out in its own right at footyjumpers.com; you can view all the jumpers here and the full home uniforms since the establishment and the VFA days here.
Some of you here will be familiar with the fantastic footyjumpers.com, which is run by Roberth Meredith (more commonly known as "Mero"), and is a brilliantly researched, detailed look at the history of the jumper designs of VFL/AFL clubs.
Mero posts regularly on the Footy Graphic Design board at BigFooty, and in the last few days a thread was started on the board titled "Jumpers that never were". I posted this jumper, which some will remember lost out in a two-way vote in the 2007 pre-season to the much-despised "apron" design:
Later in the thread, Mero said something quite surprising about the jumper design I'd posted - it turns out he'd designed it:
"The jumper I designed, with the chevrons down the sides was leading the poll with one day to go.
And when they announced the decision it was the other jumper by something like 60% to 40%.
My thoughts were they had decided on the one they wanted, and ran the other one to make it look like the fans had a say.
Not bitter, wasn't getting anything out of it, so it doesn't matter, and I don't barrack for StKilda, but I was taking an interest because of the design, and they definitely pulled a swifty."
Later in the thread (further down this page) he talks about his involvement with the St Kilda Heritage Museum (and his contibution to the 2005 Heritage Round jumper design) and how his chevron design ended up being in the official poll.
So two issues arise here if you disliked the apron design as much as I did: firstly, of course, the fact that the club ended up wearing it at all when it shouldn't have, but there is of course the bigger issue of the Rod Butterss board - assuming what Mero said is true - effectively lying to its fans about giving it the chance to have a say in the club's operations, regardless of how much magnitude you afford the clash jumper design issue.
As an aside, his story about the 2005 Heritage Jumper is quite interesting - particularly the idea of a gold jumper as a clash design to replace the candy stripe - and the history of the St Kilda jumper's evolution is worth checking out in its own right at footyjumpers.com; you can view all the jumpers here and the full home uniforms since the establishment and the VFA days here.
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Well, assuming I understand the way you're saying it, of course not - but if Mero's story is true, it means the board went out of their way to say to the fans, "Hey, we want to invite you to have a say in the operations and the image of the club", either knowing it was a lie the whole time, or totally disrespecting the input they (we) were invited to make.ausfatcat wrote:they didn't have to have a poll
I also really, really disliked the apron design, particularly compared to "alternative".
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... i was one of the few around here that liked the washed out white.
Would they rig it ?
Absolutely !
Predominately white was the terminology / mantra.
Advertisers must like white ... therefore they win.
As they do , as they did ... imo.
Would they rig it ?
Absolutely !
Predominately white was the terminology / mantra.
Advertisers must like white ... therefore they win.
As they do , as they did ... imo.
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.
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it's quite possible there were 1000 votes before the last day and then 3000 votes on the last day which completely changed the complexion of the ballot. i've run a few of these and that's almost always the way it happens, with most of the votes coming in right near the end.
personally i couldn't give a flying f*** which jumper they wear. footy jumpers are ugly by definition so little tweaks don't necessarily help that much.
personally i couldn't give a flying f*** which jumper they wear. footy jumpers are ugly by definition so little tweaks don't necessarily help that much.
i actually was also quite fond of that washed out jumper...had a bit of character to it...the other one is a bit too busy for my liking.....gazrat wrote:... i was one of the few around here that liked the washed out white.
Would they rig it ?
Absolutely !
Predominately white was the terminology / mantra.
Advertisers must like white ... therefore they win.
As they do , as they did ... imo.
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Re: Did the St Kilda board rig a clash jumper poll in 2007?
I will be happy to never see the return of this guernsey.thequarry wrote:
The faded club crest was an absolute mockery.
Almost as bad as Barks' favourite black & gold strip.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
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Re: Did the St Kilda board rig a clash jumper poll in 2007?
It would get a pass mark if it wasn't for that faded club crest.Sainternist wrote:I will be happy to never see the return of this guernsey.thequarry wrote:
The faded club crest was an absolute mockery.
Almost as bad as Barks' favourite black & gold strip.
This was during a time where you couldn't find a new pair of jeans that wern't pre-rippped and faded.
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