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shmic_s · Post: # 1177047Post **shmic_s** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 2:47pm

My ideal senario would result in:

25. Todd Elton (Ruck/Fwd)
35. Andrew Boseley (Back)
37. Mitch Grigg (Mid)
42. Kyal Horsley (Mid)
60. Alex Woodward (Mid)
68. Beau Dowler (Back/Fwd)
72. Blake

* Revised best case. Manson to bigger risk, Dowler on senior list.

SaintPav · Post: # 1177048Post **SaintPav** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 2:58pm

joffaboy wrote:My strategy for the draft is to rubbish every single player we draft regardless of how good they are in the knowledge that at least two wont make it.

Then in two years time I can start a thread telling everyone how great I was for picking the duds.

Works for a few people around here.

+1.

Gershwin · Post: # 1177058Post **Gershwin** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 3:19pm

shmic_s wrote:My ideal senario would result in:

25. Todd Elton (Ruck/Fwd)
35. Andrew Boseley (Back)
37. Mitch Grigg (Mid/HB)
42. Kyal Horsley (Mid)
60. Waylen Manson (Fwd)
68. Jackson Paine (Fwd)
72. Blake

Think we would go with Dowler on the rookie list.

But then he can only get a game from a long term injury.
I think we are pretty desperate for KPP's and might need to have him on the senior list.

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1177061Post **MCG-Unit** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 3:25pm

Massive task trying to predict..........(think Kersten, Elton, Grigg and maybe Talia could be gone

25 - Jordan Lockyer 192 / 86 KP
35 - Alex Woodward 175 / 80 mid
37 - Jackson Paine 191 / 92 KP
42 - Josh Waldhuter/Sam Kerridge/Kyal Horsley - mids
60 - Kyal Horsley/Kyal Hartigan
68 - Ruck, young or recycled otherwise Rookie list (hope they take Sellar)
76 - Jason Blake

plugger66 · Post: # 1177069Post **plugger66** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 3:51pm

The way I see it is ruckmen take time to develop so they aint going to help us for 3 to 4 years so our first pick should be the best mid available. They develop quicker and are more important then any other player these days. Get one experienced ruckman later and rookie one. Get mainly mids with one key forward and one key back if possible.

Gershwin · Post: # 1177100Post **Gershwin** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 5:40pm

Totally agree with this strategy.

bergholt · Post: # 1177103Post **bergholt** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 5:49pm

re elton:

thirty-seven!? wrote:He ran sub-3 second 20m sprint, which is awesome for a guy his size. Also did very well in the jumping test and beep, etc.

But, he lacks intensity and went backwards this year, which isn't a great sign.

sounds a lot like rhys stanley, who we already have...

BigMart · Post: # 1177138Post **BigMart** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 7:38pm

Should NEVER make the mistake of drafting for immediate needs.....

in the draft you MUST take a long term veiw....look at the future needs of the list....we are taking 6 kids......they will have minimal impact on our team in the short term, perhaps one will shine......the others will naturally take time...

surely you identify the 27-30range when drafting (in effect youer best players) and look at succession planning with the draft.....NOT hole filling, you cannot hole fill with unknown quantities anyway, as draft picks are...

And Joffa,

Which is it d**khead....one minute you critisise for being too quick to bag draftees, then you accuse of waiting two years until there failure is known before announcing it???

which one???

You have cried like a f***ing sook when I have bagged any draft choices.....and have yet you have yet to prove me wrong...on any..
so get a clue first, then get some consistency, and then prove me wrong ..... and then I will actually take some notice of you pathetic CHEAP SHOTS....

BTW

what was your actualy contribution to this thread????
Because everyone else had some really valid points.....you just showed yourself to be a pathetic sniper as usual...

in summation
F*** OFF

Verdun66 · Post: # 1177144Post **Verdun66** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 7:48pm

Is it just me, or is this draft showing future Brownlow medallists and Norm Smiths all the way down to pick 70? I've read quite a few Phantom Drafts and articles, and far from being a weak draft, there are guns all the way through....or that's what people would have you believe.

Draft prospects are pumped every year, but I don't think to the same extent as this year.

Anyway....look forward to who we get. They all sound great!

plugger66 · Post: # 1177145Post **plugger66** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 7:56pm

Verdun66 wrote:Is it just me, or is this draft showing future Brownlow medallists and Norm Smiths all the way down to pick 70? I've read quite a few Phantom Drafts and articles, and far from being a weak draft, there are guns all the way through....or that's what people would have you believe.

Draft prospects are pumped every year, but I don't think to the same extent as this year.

Anyway....look forward to who we get. They all sound great!

Pretty sure it is always the same. There is no doubt it is a weak draft. It has to be due to losing players a year before the draft actually happened. You can still get the gems though. Lets hope Elshaug is better than Peake. He put us back just about 3 years with very poor drafting.

Verdun66 · Post: # 1177149Post **Verdun66** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 8:04pm

Our recruiting has been shocking of late that's for sure. You are always going to get people who don't fulfill their potential, but you would hope you would get 50% about right. Wouldn't put a percentage on our recent efforts.

Plus our ability to develop talent and give it an opportunity has been poor. We are addressing it, but the admittance of a poor relationship with our VFL partner has meant that some didn't have much of a chance. Feel sorry for some of the kids delisted in the last 2-3 years. They were probably on the margins, but never really got developed. Getting games was a whole other story. Hard when the team was at the top.

bobmurray · Post: # 1177156Post **bobmurray** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 8:14pm

BigMart wrote:Should NEVER make the mistake of drafting for immediate needs.....

in the draft you MUST take a long term veiw....look at the future needs of the list....we are taking 6 kids......they will have minimal impact on our team in the short term, perhaps one will shine......the others will naturally take time...

surely you identify the 27-30range when drafting (in effect youer best players) and look at succession planning with the draft.....NOT hole filling, you cannot hole fill with unknown quantities anyway, as draft picks are...

And Joffa,

Which is it d**khead....one minute you critisise for being too quick to bag draftees, then you accuse of waiting two years until there failure is known before announcing it???

which one???

You have cried like a f***ing sook when I have bagged any draft choices.....and have yet you have yet to prove me wrong...on any..
so get a clue first, then get some consistency, and then prove me wrong ..... and then I will actually take some notice of you pathetic CHEAP SHOTS....

BTW

what was your actualy contribution to this thread????
Because everyone else had some really valid points.....you just showed yourself to be a pathetic sniper as usual...

in summation
F*** OFF

Where is the popcorn

fingers · Post: # 1177161Post **fingers** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 8:23pm

bobmurray wrote:
BigMart wrote:Should NEVER make the mistake of drafting for immediate needs.....

in the draft you MUST take a long term veiw....look at the future needs of the list....we are taking 6 kids......they will have minimal impact on our team in the short term, perhaps one will shine......the others will naturally take time...

surely you identify the 27-30range when drafting (in effect youer best players) and look at succession planning with the draft.....NOT hole filling, you cannot hole fill with unknown quantities anyway, as draft picks are...

And Joffa,

Which is it d**khead....one minute you critisise for being too quick to bag draftees, then you accuse of waiting two years until there failure is known before announcing it???

which one???

You have cried like a f***ing sook when I have bagged any draft choices.....and have yet you have yet to prove me wrong...on any..
so get a clue first, then get some consistency, and then prove me wrong ..... and then I will actually take some notice of you pathetic CHEAP SHOTS....

BTW

what was your actualy contribution to this thread????
Because everyone else had some really valid points.....you just showed yourself to be a pathetic sniper as usual...

in summation
F*** OFF
Where is the popcorn

Ha ha Joffaboy got in trouble.

As for the draft strategy. I have no idea.

skeptic · Post: # 1177180Post **skeptic** » Wed 23 Nov 2011 9:09pm

fingers wrote:
bobmurray wrote:
BigMart wrote:Should NEVER make the mistake of drafting for immediate needs.....

in the draft you MUST take a long term veiw....look at the future needs of the list....we are taking 6 kids......they will have minimal impact on our team in the short term, perhaps one will shine......the others will naturally take time...

surely you identify the 27-30range when drafting (in effect youer best players) and look at succession planning with the draft.....NOT hole filling, you cannot hole fill with unknown quantities anyway, as draft picks are...

And Joffa,

Which is it d**khead....one minute you critisise for being too quick to bag draftees, then you accuse of waiting two years until there failure is known before announcing it???

which one???

You have cried like a f***ing sook when I have bagged any draft choices.....and have yet you have yet to prove me wrong...on any..
so get a clue first, then get some consistency, and then prove me wrong ..... and then I will actually take some notice of you pathetic CHEAP SHOTS....

BTW

what was your actualy contribution to this thread????
Because everyone else had some really valid points.....you just showed yourself to be a pathetic sniper as usual...

in summation
F*** OFF
Where is the popcorn

Ha ha Joffaboy got in trouble.

As for the draft strategy. I have no idea.

well in fairness to St Mart he actully contributes to football talk on a football forum... 3 guesses who was first to post the usual baiting bulls#!t... kind of sad to see a grown man follow someone round a football forum taking pot shots

now that my dig is done... i'll apologise for also not contributing... I don't know much about the juniors hence enjoy reading threads like these. Keep up the good work guys

Sick Nal Danto · Wed 23 Nov 2011 9:39pm

A mature age prospect that hasn't been mentioned around here is Cameron Shenton

Here's some more info :

DOB: 27th September 1990

Nickname: Shents / Humphrey / The Panther

Position: Forward

Height: 186cm

Weight: 80kg

Another product of the Norwood FC junior development system, Cameron is a super quick forward who can play as a wingman. He is a very good kick for goal & an exceptional mark on a lead. A quite lad, Cameron has an opportunity to develop into a senior regular over the coming seasons if he continues to work hard on his game.

Comes from the same club as Puopolo,Duigan and Lower who ahve all made smooth transitions into AFL

Has been strongly linked to us Essendon and Geelong

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6195813606

Pelchen may have him in mind

P.s - kicked 43 goals in 17 games as a winger cum forward

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Thu 24 Nov 2011 10:35am

shmic_s wrote:My ideal senario would result in:

25. Todd Elton (Ruck/Fwd)
35. Andrew Boseley (Back)
37. Mitch Grigg (Mid/HB)
42. Kyal Horsley (Mid)
60. Waylen Manson (Fwd)
68. Jackson Paine (Fwd)
72. Blake

Think we would go with Dowler on the rookie list.

No more sleeps!
I very much like the look of most of that list of your, too. I think we could do a lot worse than that.
As I've said previously, if there are any "talls" that we really believe are likely to be successful and play 150+ games, then I think the sooner we get them the better, as they generally take a few years to start producing consistently and Roo, Kosi and Sammy Fish are getting far too close to 30 for comfort (and we've lost Zac, Tommy, Johnson and Cahill). If there are some decent ones now and we don't get them when we have the chance, we could have some major deficiencies in about 3 years.
With the re-signings of all of Farren, Gram, Peake and Polo, plus of course Lenny (who we're apparently hoping to play for several more years!), Dal, BJ, Monty, Jack, Armo, Ledger, Cripps, Crocker and Schneider (who could play mid more, if Saad holds down a forward role), I think we have enough "mids"/"runners" (I named 14) to not need to be hoping to get another one with our first pick, with the hopes they'll make a significant impact next year.
I think our main priority needs to be to shore up our spine for about 3-4 years down the track, if there is someone worth getting when we have our picks.

samoht · Post: # 1177314Post **samoht** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 11:17am

If we should be recruiting according to our needs than we need to recruit for our forward line - as that has been our problem.

The remedy -
quick mid sized players that will kick goals and also provide the forward pressure (chasing and tackling) that we lack.

We need to improve in 2 areas - more goals & more forward pressure if we want to improve on last year.

So I hope and trust the recruiters are focussed on that... and find the right players... which need to be mid sized, no more smalls please !

stinger · Post: # 1177318Post **stinger** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 11:20am

skeptic wrote:. I don't know much about the juniors hence enjoy reading threads like these. Keep up the good work guys

+1...

Old Mate · Post: # 1177331Post **Old Mate** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 11:46am

samoht wrote:If we should be recruiting according to our needs than we need to recruit for our forward line - as that has been our problem.

The remedy -
quick mid sized players that will kick goals and also provide the forward pressure (chasing and tackling) that we lack.

We need to improve in 2 areas - more goals & more forward pressure if we want to improve on last year.

So I hope and trust the recruiters are focussed on that... and find the right players... which need to be mid sized, no more smalls please !

Last year we focused on mids this year we need some talls. Ideally at least one tall forward, back and ruck. Then a couple of mids.

Does anyone know much about that tassie forward, Dobez i think his name is. He may be a good selection at 42.

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Thu 24 Nov 2011 11:47am

samoht wrote:If we should be recruiting according to our needs than we need to recruit for our forward line - as that has been our problem.

The remedy -
quick mid sized players that will kick goals and also provide the forward pressure (chasing and tackling) that we lack.

We need to improve in 2 areas - more goals & more forward pressure if we want to improve on last year.

So I hope and trust the recruiters are focussed on that... and find the right players... which need to be mid sized, no more smalls please !

Surely Siposs fits the bill for "mid-sized" and Saad very much ticks the box for "forward pressure", so I think one or two who we believe are likely to succeed at either FF or CHF are the priority (up forward).

samoht · Post: # 1177352Post **samoht** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 12:30pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote: Surely Siposs fits the bill for "mid-sized" and Saad very much ticks the box for "forward pressure", so I think one or two who we believe are likely to succeed at either FF or CHF are the priority (up forward).

Saad is on the small side . Sure he will provide forward pressure but I'm not sure how the Schneider, Milne , Saad, Ledger thing will work...in terms of balance.
They can't all be in the forward line simultaneously... that's two thirds of our forward line.

So we need to complement things within our forward line by taking out a small or two and substituting them with quick, mid sized goal kickers -- quick strong body types who are ready to go next year .. who can kick goals and chase and tackle. If there's a mature age recruit or 2 that fits the bill we should target them... (I don't know if there is by the way).

Eventually Siposs will probably make it as a medium forward.. but if there some ready to go with strong bodies - we should prioritise them..

If we had a Steve Johnson (or even a line breaking goalkicker like Varcoe).. we would have 3 premierships now... and RL would have got all the credit.

shmic_s · Post: # 1177357Post **shmic_s** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 12:50pm

samoht wrote: If we had a Steve Johnson .. we would have 3 premierships now... and RL would have got all the credit.

3?! I'll go with 2.

Milera, Siposs are two we have recruited lately for this role.
Maybe another mid size forward in the draft.

I feel we should take 3 talls (fwd/back/ruck) and 3 mids.
Early picks, take the best available.

samoht · Post: # 1177361Post **samoht** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 1:00pm

shmic_s wrote:
samoht wrote: If we had a Steve Johnson .. we would have 3 premierships now... and RL would have got all the credit.
3?! I'll go with 2.

Milera, Siposs are two we have recruited lately for this role.
Maybe another mid size forward in the draft.

I feel we should take 3 talls (fwd/back/ruck) and 3 mids.
Early picks, take the best available.

As long as 1 of the 3 mids can play forward, is quick and can kick goals and has a mature body I'd be happy with that.
No more smalls or slight builds... we have too many already.

Old Mate · Post: # 1177370Post **Old Mate** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 1:33pm

samoht wrote:
shmic_s wrote:
samoht wrote: If we had a Steve Johnson .. we would have 3 premierships now... and RL would have got all the credit.
3?! I'll go with 2.

Milera, Siposs are two we have recruited lately for this role.
Maybe another mid size forward in the draft.

I feel we should take 3 talls (fwd/back/ruck) and 3 mids.
Early picks, take the best available.
As long as 1 of the 3 mids can play forward, is quick and can kick goals and has a mature body I'd be happy with that.
No more smalls or slight builds... we have too many already.

Marley Williams sounds like your man

Old Mate · Post: # 1177373Post **Old Mate** » Thu 24 Nov 2011 1:35pm

Josh Waldhuter is an absolute animal in this highlights package. A bit of Armo/Hamill about him. The afl.com phantom have him selected at 54. Might be worth a look IMO.

http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/co ... fault.aspx