Zac Dawson rejects St Kilda's offer

ThePunter · Post: # 1171120Post **ThePunter** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:47am

I would have to think we'd be looking at a mature age recruit in that position at some stage in the draft.

Saints94 · Post: # 1171121Post **Saints94** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:49am

ThePunter wrote:I would have to think we'd be looking at a mature age recruit in that position at some stage in the draft.

Michael Coad?

Moccha · Post: # 1171123Post **Moccha** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:51am

Setanta?

He's probably better than Dawson. At least he has some physical presence

bigcarl · Post: # 1171126Post **bigcarl** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:55am

Moccha wrote:Setanta?

He's probably better than Dawson. At least he has some physical presence

We'd get him for nix, too,

defacto · Post: # 1171127Post **defacto** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:55am

Moccha wrote:Setanta?

He's probably better than Dawson. At least he has some physical presence

i dont think we'll pick up anyone. were trying to free up money in the salary cap.

reality is we'll go for blake at FB. simpkin in the BP whilst gwilt is in recovery/reserves. once gwilt comes back we might use him at FB and simpkin in the pocket or vice verca.

BigMart · Post: # 1171128Post **BigMart** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:59am

Nor

Gwilt 188cm 90kg

or

Simpkin 191cm 87kg

would be considered Key Defenders

both would give up 10kg and 2 inches most weeks and against Cloke for example
195cm 104kg
would get killed

Animal Enclosure · Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:00am

BigMart wrote:Matthew Warnock

27yo
194cm
97kg
Melbourne FC

5th Best and Fairest 2009

Didn't Warnock get traded to the Suns?

Saints94 · Post: # 1171130Post **Saints94** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:01am

Animal Enclosure wrote:
BigMart wrote:Matthew Warnock

27yo
194cm
97kg
Melbourne FC

5th Best and Fairest 2009
Didn't Warnock get traded to the Suns?

for pick 52 +1

Saintersss · Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:01am

BigMart wrote:Matthew Warnock

27yo
194cm
97kg
Melbourne FC

5th Best and Fairest 2009

Got traded to Gold Coast... Doubt he'd leave after 2months.

BigMart · Post: # 1171132Post **BigMart** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:02am

I dont know

I just know he walked out on Melbourne

Ralphy · Post: # 1171133Post **Ralphy** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:02am

Its a laugh that he actually thinks he's worth that much, woofter he isnt worth a pinch of salt Good riddence to him....

BigMart · Post: # 1171134Post **BigMart** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:03am

Yes he did.....

how about Tommy Walsh at Full Back

bigcarl · Post: # 1171135Post **bigcarl** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:03am

Personally I'd like Zac to stay for less money.

Failing that the best outcome would be that he ends up somewhere other than Fremantle (just to spite Ro$$),

saintly · Post: # 1171138Post **saintly** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:07am

dirtydog24 wrote:
On the Ball wrote:He will feel right at home in Northbridge.
Spot on! Have never quite figured out how a player, a really ordinary one at that, who has so many 'red flags' off-field, could remain in the system and get chance after chance.

lyon will keep giving him a chance. wonder what will happen to silvagni since he is playing the fullback for freo?

older saint · Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:08am

The position he plays and the time these type players take to develop makes his value greater than his ability level.

Supply and Demand state that full backs with a mature body ( he is never going to be big just like Max was ) are not in abundance hence he can ask for bigger coin.

The issue we will have losing him is there is no ready made replacement to take this spot. Jimmy is a Leo Barry type undersized and coming back froman ACL, Fisher is a running CHB, Simpkins may well be a Dawson 3 years back. Blake has size but disposal isnot good enough. Many bag Dawson's disposal check out his kicking efficiency for the last few seasons.

many here will be glad a Zac became the whipping boy when rah was out but it will hurt mark my words.

the inability or unwillingness to make a trade in Trade week for a Gram/ray/Peake/Gilbert who are easier to replace has led to this position.

On ability 300K per year is well over however based on supply and demand it is probably not far off market value .

older saint · Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:09am

The position he plays and the time these type players take to develop makes his value greater than his ability level.

Supply and Demand state that full backs with a mature body ( he is never going to be big just like Max was ) are not in abundance hence he can ask for bigger coin.

The issue we will have losing him is there is no ready made replacement to take this spot. Jimmy is a Leo Barry type undersized and coming back froman ACL, Fisher is a running CHB, Simpkins may well be a Dawson 3 years back. Blake has size but disposal isnot good enough. Many bag Dawson's disposal check out his kicking efficiency for the last few seasons.

many here will be glad a Zac became the whipping boy when rah was out but it will hurt mark my words.

the inability or unwillingness to make a trade in Trade week for a Gram/ray/Peake/Gilbert who are easier to replace has led to this position.

On ability 300K per year is well over however based on supply and demand it is probably not far off market value .

SainterK · Post: # 1171143Post **SainterK** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:16am

Knew it

matrix · Post: # 1171147Post **matrix** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:19am

oh well
doesnt want to hang around then see ya

id like him to stay
full backs abundance we dont have

but if he wants double the cash (at a guess) then good luck where ever you go

blake to go to fb

borderbarry · Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:24am

I read the comments on the article in the Hun. There were about 30 of them. 4 dragged Raph into it. I bet those 4 are Saintastional posters. Surely people can figure out that players read the papers too!

SainterK · Post: # 1171151Post **SainterK** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:24am

Agree M, if he doesn't want to stay around, then see ya.

If I remember correctly, his value right now would be nil if it was up to him, didn't he want to give it away?

Said all along that I thought one of him or Farren would walk to Freo, and was leaning towards it being Zac.

Watters may have some fresh ideas for the backline anyhow, I personally wouldn't mind seeing Stanley tried as a Ben Reid type of defender.

matrix · Post: # 1171154Post **matrix** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:29am

im not convinced that stanley could hold down a spot as a key defender
why? i dont know.
ive never seen him play down back and have no idea if he would be any good

i can see blakey getting the gig myself as he is not bad one on one imo

but you never know
they might throw someone in the spot completely from left field...and they might thrive.

SainterK · Post: # 1171160Post **SainterK** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:36am

matrix wrote:im not convinced that stanley could hold down a spot as a key defender
why? i dont know.
ive never seen him play down back and have no idea if he would be any good

i can see blakey getting the gig myself as he is not bad one on one imo

but you never know
they might throw someone in the spot completely from left field...and they might thrive.

I'm just thinking that given he has looked after Collingwoods backline, he may bring a bit of their style with him, and for mine Stanley could mould himself on Reid (especially given a position has arisen)

Without Gwilt, we aren't left with too many guys who could execute that kind of play. He could spoil with his quick closing speed, run away from the forwards once he takes possession...

I think under Lyon we were defence first, under Watters we may be a combo of defence/create?

That's why I'm looking forward to the NAB cup

saintbob · Post: # 1171168Post **saintbob** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:46am

I'm glad the footy club and Pelchen decided to play hard ball with Dawson, he is the most overated player on our list especially by most on this site.

I for one, will NOT be sad to see him go!!!!

RL & Freo are welcome to him!!!

Megsie · Post: # 1171173Post **Megsie** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:53am

good fit Lyon & Dawson.
Same morals.....
Take note Zac.....25yrs old & your 3rd club coming up.
Surely you have an over inflated ego !!!!!!!!!!

one less trouble maker.

dragit · Post: # 1171174Post **dragit** » Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:59am

I don't think we played hard ball, we were probably offered pick 71, maybe 58. Wasn't a huge loss to refuse those picks, Ross would have a fairly sound knowledge of our salary situation, and after missing out on Clark would have known that they could get Dawson for nothing in the draft with a juicy carrotâ€¦