Is Gram our Jonathan Hay / Nathan Thompson

St.Rob8 · Post: # 1159487Post **St.Rob8** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 10:51pm

Used to love Gramy but always feel he has more talent than he's delivered on. Reckon Pelchan may see if any other club out there rates him as a top player. Sadly the star who led the league for bounces out of defense with dangerous bomb goals from outside 50 is too often a passenger who rates himself and kicks a lot of really long points. Harsh I know, but if any of our players aproaching 30 but may still have some currency and are expendable, he's a possible.

Teflon · Post: # 1159496Post **Teflon** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:00pm

Have to agree - hed still have some value......and I reckon if we seriously have to reduce cap squeeze......hed be on enough to help...

Old Mate · Post: # 1159499Post **Old Mate** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:03pm

We'd be incredibly lucky to get a second rounder for him, more likely a third.

Dr Spaceman · Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:06pm

Sportsline on Sky just showed a copy of tomorrow's Age and they're running a "Gram Up For Grabs" type story.

Teflon · Post: # 1159502Post **Teflon** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:08pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:Sportsline on Sky just showed a copy of tomorrow's Age and they're running a "Gram Up For Grabs" type story.

link?

B_O_N_D_Y · Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:15pm

Usually get tomorrows main sports stories for the papers online at midnight, so will have to keep an eye out..

I think we'd be able to still get a bit of leverage on the 2009 BOG but no Norm Smith..

I think a 2nd round pick would be a good result.. Might be able to get someone of use with that pick with Pelchen at the helm..

Dr Spaceman · Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:18pm

Teflon wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Sportsline on Sky just showed a copy of tomorrow's Age and they're running a "Gram Up For Grabs" type story.
link?

Like B_O_N_D_Y implied it's a bit early for a link.

But they showed a copy of the "back page" on the show.

gringo · Post: # 1159508Post **gringo** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:22pm

You would still want a good player or early second rounder for a player of Gram's quality. He had a bad year but he is still capable of being a very good player in the future. He is a loyal Saints player and would break his heart to leave the club he followed growing up. I can't believe how many people write off players and happily push them out. I hope he stays still.

bigcarl · Post: # 1159512Post **bigcarl** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:30pm

Teflon wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Sportsline on Sky just showed a copy of tomorrow's Age and they're running a "Gram Up For Grabs" type story.
link?

Isn't he contracted?

gringo · Post: # 1159514Post **gringo** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:33pm

bigcarl wrote:
Teflon wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Sportsline on Sky just showed a copy of tomorrow's Age and they're running a "Gram Up For Grabs" type story.
link?
Isn't he contracted?

he can still be traded, just not delisted with out paying out his contract. Would have to agree to leave though I guess.

B_O_N_D_Y · Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:35pm

Being contracted means nothing in trade week... The other club just has to agree to his contract or make a deal with the incumbent club to subsidize part of his contract. This was the case when Fev went to Brisbane..

savatage · Post: # 1159518Post **savatage** » Mon 10 Oct 2011 11:48pm

You want your player to be contracted otherwise they would walk for nothing in the PSD if they got disenchanted!

ace · Post: # 1159565Post **ace** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 1:11am

Teflon wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Sportsline on Sky just showed a copy of tomorrow's Age and they're running a "Gram Up For Grabs" type story.
link?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/g ... 1lhlu.html

saintspremiers · Tue 11 Oct 2011 5:29am

savatage wrote:You want your player to be contracted otherwise they would walk for nothing in the PSD if they got disenchanted!

That's correct isn't Ro$$co?

Or you could be too greedy for your own good and lose Ball for nothing.

At least we have a professional running the trade for us this year.

Rosco · Post: # 1159623Post **Rosco** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:28am

saintspremiers wrote:
savatage wrote:You want your player to be contracted otherwise they would walk for nothing in the PSD if they got disenchanted!
That's correct isn't Ro$$co?

Or you could be too greedy for your own good and lose Ball for nothing.

At least we have a professional running the trade for us this year.

yeah, but you have to convince them to sign it without offering more than you think they are worth, otherwise you have to pay them when they stay.

stinger · Post: # 1159624Post **stinger** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:30am

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 6163554972

"Jason Gram is on the table. Plus Windles' Whispers: all you need to know about day two of trade week.

ST KILDA says it has fielded offers for Jason Gram, but has labelled suggestions it is shopping around the running defender as "hysteria".

The club said yesterday that stars such as Brendon Goddard and Jason Gram were off the table, but the Gram speculation has not been emphatically denied by the club as yet.

"Like a lot of things around St Kilda at the moment, thereâ€™s been a bit hysteria and itâ€™s really unfounded," list manger Chris Pelchen said on SEN.

"Thereâ€™s a lot of good work going on down at St Kilda by a lot of people.

"In the case of Jason Gram - Jasonâ€™s name was brought up by clubs, but at the same time heâ€™s a contracted player and weâ€™ll work through things accordingly."

- Matt Windley

so who the f*** really knows...not i sir.....

samoht · Post: # 1159637Post **samoht** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:43am

Gram has probably been hampered by injury ... you don't go from being a best on ground running machine in a GF to where he's at unless a chronic injury is affecting you.

Either that or RL's negative game plan has progressively stifled Gram along with Ray (who started off really well as a youngster with us and then just plateaued).

Maybe RL was all about developing negative game plans and not players ?

I'm looking forward to the next coach !

Ross who? · Post: # 1159643Post **Ross who?** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:55am

Old Mate wrote:We'd be incredibly lucky to get a second rounder for him, more likely a third.

North's 2nd round pick is pick#40. About right IMO. Very weak draft this year.

3rd rounder for Gram is laughable on 2010 games.

St Ick · Post: # 1159695Post **St Ick** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 11:16am

saintspremiers wrote:
savatage wrote:You want your player to be contracted otherwise they would walk for nothing in the PSD if they got disenchanted!
That's correct isn't Ro$$co?

Or you could be too greedy for your own good and lose Ball for nothing.

At least we have a professional running the trade for us this year.

Off topic, but I can see RL f***ing up Freo's chances of getting either O'Meara and Clark this year, both of which they were mad keen on at stages this year. I hope that is the case anyway...