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Agree completely with this.Teflon wrote:
What would be dissapointing is to hear the decision was made some time ago and weve just been through a few weeks "media massaging" for Ayres to be warmed into the role. IF that was occuring ...thats a whole new problem.
defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
so what you're saying is that we go for an experienced afl senior coach - eade, ayres type?bobmurray wrote:Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
He just has to keep the defensive facet of the game plan working...he doesn't have to invent the plan......
I'm just pointing out that there is an infatuation with Watters that may not be warranted, especially as he is competing with other assistant coaches who haven't been so readily adopted on here but who may actually be better AFL COACH material....Old Mate wrote:so what you're saying is that we go for an experienced afl senior coach - eade, ayres type?bobmurray wrote:Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
He just has to keep the defensive facet of the game plan working...he doesn't have to invent the plan......
i reckon there is an infatuation with appointing a former assistant coach, not specially appointing watters. it just so happens that he is the best credentialed of the candidates. add his wafl record and the snippets that we've seen of him in the media and he looks the most suitable at the moment. of course he may flop in the interview process and someone from left field comes out but so far watters is the favourite and deservedly so.bobmurray wrote:I'm just pointing out that there is an infatuation with Watters that may not be warranted, especially as he is competing with other assistant coaches who haven't been so readily adopted on here but who may actually be better AFL COACH material....Old Mate wrote:so what you're saying is that we go for an experienced afl senior coach - eade, ayres type?bobmurray wrote:Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
He just has to keep the defensive facet of the game plan working...he doesn't have to invent the plan......
based on nothing but YOUR infatuation with him...you believe the hype...Old Mate wrote:i reckon there is an infatuation with appointing a former assistant coach, not specially appointing watters. it just so happens that he is the best credentialed of the candidates. add his wafl record and the snippets that we've seen of him in the media and he looks the most suitable at the moment. of course he may flop in the interview process and someone from left field comes out but so far watters is the favourite and deservedly so.bobmurray wrote:I'm just pointing out that there is an infatuation with Watters that may not be warranted, especially as he is competing with other assistant coaches who haven't been so readily adopted on here but who may actually be better AFL COACH material....Old Mate wrote:so what you're saying is that we go for an experienced afl senior coach - eade, ayres type?bobmurray wrote:Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
He just has to keep the defensive facet of the game plan working...he doesn't have to invent the plan......
i wouldn't call it an infatuation, nothing of the sort, more of an opinion based on the information i have...which isn't a lot.bobmurray wrote:based on nothing but YOUR infatuation with him...you believe the hype...Old Mate wrote:i reckon there is an infatuation with appointing a former assistant coach, not specially appointing watters. it just so happens that he is the best credentialed of the candidates. add his wafl record and the snippets that we've seen of him in the media and he looks the most suitable at the moment. of course he may flop in the interview process and someone from left field comes out but so far watters is the favourite and deservedly so.bobmurray wrote:I'm just pointing out that there is an infatuation with Watters that may not be warranted, especially as he is competing with other assistant coaches who haven't been so readily adopted on here but who may actually be better AFL COACH material....Old Mate wrote:so what you're saying is that we go for an experienced afl senior coach - eade, ayres type?bobmurray wrote:Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
He just has to keep the defensive facet of the game plan working...he doesn't have to invent the plan......
your entitled to believe it....but some don't.....
I agree about the club making a decision that is the RIGHT one....Old Mate wrote:i wouldn't call it an infatuation, nothing of the sort, more of an opinion based on the information i have...which isn't a lot.bobmurray wrote:based on nothing but YOUR infatuation with him...you believe the hype...Old Mate wrote:i reckon there is an infatuation with appointing a former assistant coach, not specially appointing watters. it just so happens that he is the best credentialed of the candidates. add his wafl record and the snippets that we've seen of him in the media and he looks the most suitable at the moment. of course he may flop in the interview process and someone from left field comes out but so far watters is the favourite and deservedly so.bobmurray wrote:I'm just pointing out that there is an infatuation with Watters that may not be warranted, especially as he is competing with other assistant coaches who haven't been so readily adopted on here but who may actually be better AFL COACH material....Old Mate wrote:so what you're saying is that we go for an experienced afl senior coach - eade, ayres type?bobmurray wrote:Yes, but he's ONLY an assistant coach....everything they want to implement has to go through the coach for approval or modification...there is no correlation between being an assistant and being the COACH....Old Mate wrote:defensive coach of the best defensive team over the last 2 years and at the club that has played off in the last 2 gf's, including winning one.bobmurray wrote:What's with the freakin obsession with Watters......he hasn't really done anything at AFL level either...they'll pick someone and then all we should worry about is whether we win or lose....
He just has to keep the defensive facet of the game plan working...he doesn't have to invent the plan......
your entitled to believe it....but some don't.....
the club will make the decision on who the coach will be and i trust they'll make the correct one...i'm just speculating on who it will be. in the end i couldn't give a rats who gets the position...as long as it's the right one.
F*** Lyin....= tosserScollop wrote:We need a coach that has come from a successful AFL club, and hopefully the board will put together a good team of experienced assistants around the senior coach, whoever they appoint. Watters is rightly the favourite for a number of reasons and the main one I think, without knowing the guy, being that he is certainly coming to us from a club that has had success most recently. Apart from Lyons sales skills and philosophies and all that, that was one of the main reasons Lyon got the gig 5 years ago wasn't it?
I think Watters has served his apprenticeship and if he's hungry enough for the gig, well his time is now I reckon. I don't think he needs to do much more than believe in the current playing group, build on our midfield tackling and add some new forward options into the team. The templates for success and the Collingwood IP Watters will bring to the Saints will add to the programs and successful strategies that we already possess.
Speaking of Rossco...it's quite interesting to hear his new spiel;
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
"Lyon built a track record of recycling mature-age AFL players during his five seasons as St Kilda coach, but he said it was not a strategy that would necessarily be transferred to Fremantle."
Me too, just can't see it happening for Ayres though, appointing without a thorough process - no way, Malthouse maybe but not Ayres...joffaboy wrote:Agree completely with this.Teflon wrote:
What would be dissapointing is to hear the decision was made some time ago and weve just been through a few weeks "media massaging" for Ayres to be warmed into the role. IF that was occuring ...thats a whole new problem.
Had enough of that BS with Thomas a decade ago.
Is he still in the running...The Herald Sun says No...he's out of the running....dragit wrote:Me too, just can't see it happening for Ayres though, appointing without a thorough process - no way, Malthouse maybe but not Ayres...joffaboy wrote:Agree completely with this.Teflon wrote:
What would be dissapointing is to hear the decision was made some time ago and weve just been through a few weeks "media massaging" for Ayres to be warmed into the role. IF that was occuring ...thats a whole new problem.
Had enough of that BS with Thomas a decade ago.
I just meant that they may have run a pretend set of interviews if they had Malthouse lined up, but not ...bobmurray wrote:Is he still in the running...The Herald Sun says No...he's out of the running....dragit wrote:Me too, just can't see it happening for Ayres though, appointing without a thorough process - no way, Malthouse maybe but not Ayres...joffaboy wrote:Agree completely with this.Teflon wrote:
What would be dissapointing is to hear the decision was made some time ago and weve just been through a few weeks "media massaging" for Ayres to be warmed into the role. IF that was occuring ...thats a whole new problem.
Had enough of that BS with Thomas a decade ago.
One thing about Lyon I did learn over time.......he speaks in riddles and can often say 1 thing and do the opposite. I often heard Ross talk bout " we want to play fast, attacking aggressive footy........" only to then front up to a game and watch us kick 3 goals and pot the ball back/sideways anyways but attacking......Scollop wrote:Speaking of Rossco...it's quite interesting to hear his new spiel;
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
"Lyon built a track record of recycling mature-age AFL players during his five seasons as St Kilda coach, but he said it was not a strategy that would necessarily be transferred to Fremantle."
Exactly right. He's a liar and knows only one way. You watch him impliment the same game plan and strategies over thereTeflon wrote:One thing about Lyon I did learn over time.......he speaks in riddles and can often say 1 thing and do the opposite. .Scollop wrote:Speaking of Rossco...it's quite interesting to hear his new spiel;
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
"Lyon built a track record of recycling mature-age AFL players during his five seasons as St Kilda coach, but he said it was not a strategy that would necessarily be transferred to Fremantle."
