Mick Malthouse(Saints Copied CollingwoodsGameplan09,10)

murray 66 · Post: # 1151166Post **murray 66** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:33pm

Is Mick really that delussional to think that Ross adopted their gameplan in 09,10
In the Age Mick was talking about how defence wins premierships and how the pies gameplan was rediculed by the press and other assistants until I quote "St Kilda started having some success with playing wide and structuring team defence and everyone started to get of our backs."
You can say what you want about Ross but I never heard MM and other coaches openly talk about Team structures and Team defence in their Pressers until Ross came along.
I think Buckley closely observed the Saints with his stint with the media and even spoke to MM about the need for change of game plan,which didn't sit well with MM at the time,but eventually MM wilted and as we no the rest is history.
I think Buckley will be a great coach but I wonder if he will ever get the credit he deserves with everyone thinking that it's MM's list he inherited and Micks gameplan that has given them success.

Go Saints..........................................................................

saintbrat · Post: # 1151172Post **saintbrat** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:39pm

Buckley openly admitted their game plan changed about rd 15 last year.

murray 66 · Post: # 1151175Post **murray 66** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:49pm

One critic in particular - Malcolm Blight - had great success as a player and coach [with Geelong and Adelaide]. He played and coached his own way to achieve that. Surely he can realise that each team has its idiosyncrasies and each coach needs to support those idiosyncrasies.''
Malthouse said this general criticism subsided only because St Kilda adopted a similar style and had the same ratio of boundary play in reaching grand finals in 2009 and 2010.
''In 2010, our premiership year, our percentage of boundary-line play was as high as in 2009 and yet it drew very little criticism,'' he said.
Malthouse pointed to other sports such as rugby union, rugby league and soccer where ''when in dou

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jays · Post: # 1151176Post **jays** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:52pm

lol he has no idea

perfectionist · Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:58pm

All of these "plans" evolve over time. Had we had 6 Aaron Hamill's in 2004, we would have had the "forward press" game a lot sooner. But, it was Hawthorn who added the forward "out zoning" that we adopted in 2009. Ross saw what happened in the '08 PF and tweaked things. Collingwood saw what happened in Round 7 2009 and began the change.

gringo · Post: # 1151226Post **gringo** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 8:27pm

He rang the press to tell them he invented Dennis Lillies mo too.

Mrs_Seaford_Saint · Tue 27 Sep 2011 9:11pm

Did those missing laptops ever turn up .... say at filth headquarters???

The Mr has always say Bucks has been the brains since he signed on - could you see Eddie Everywhere putting in a succession plan without knowing what he was going to get..........

Ice Wolf · Post: # 1151250Post **Ice Wolf** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 9:12pm

Mrs_Seaford_Saint wrote:Did those missing laptops ever turn up .... say at filth headquarters???

The Mr has always say Bucks has been the brains since he signed on - could you see Eddie Everywhere putting in a succession plan without knowing what he was going to get..........

From what I hear Buckley doesn't have any brains.

Iceman234 · Post: # 1151263Post **Iceman234** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 9:45pm

Ice Wolf wrote:
Mrs_Seaford_Saint wrote:Did those missing laptops ever turn up .... say at filth headquarters???

The Mr has always say Bucks has been the brains since he signed on - could you see Eddie Everywhere putting in a succession plan without knowing what he was going to get..........
From what I hear Buckley doesn't have any brains.

Queue plugger66 to enter and let us know that he has a best mate who knows Buckley and he does in fact have brains etc etc...

:sarcasm:

Ice Wolf · Post: # 1151267Post **Ice Wolf** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 9:50pm

Iceman234 wrote:
Ice Wolf wrote:
Mrs_Seaford_Saint wrote:Did those missing laptops ever turn up .... say at filth headquarters???

The Mr has always say Bucks has been the brains since he signed on - could you see Eddie Everywhere putting in a succession plan without knowing what he was going to get..........
From what I hear Buckley doesn't have any brains.
Queue plugger66 to enter and let us know that he has a best mate who knows Buckley and he does in fact have brains etc etc...

:sarcasm:

I fully accept that Buckleys head does contain an adult human brain, i just contend that he has very little in the way of what would be considered intellegence.

Rosco · Post: # 1151273Post **Rosco** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 10:04pm

i suppose malthouse only called milne a rapist after he heard lyon do it in 2007...

Garibaldi · Tue 27 Sep 2011 11:06pm

Malthouse has Alzheimer's thus the transition. Its being kept quiet but its bound to come out with all the guff he keeps talking.
Yes, I got it from one of those reliable sources so you can take it to the bank...

desertsaint · Tue 27 Sep 2011 11:33pm

it'll probably become debilitating one week into his watertight four year contract with us.

Teflon · Post: # 1151325Post **Teflon** » Wed 28 Sep 2011 12:10am

Confirms in my mind that this guy is mad for his own ego and not what we need.

Go young.

SainterK · Post: # 1151347Post **SainterK** » Wed 28 Sep 2011 12:44am

Dunno, looks like he could come up with a pretty clever gameplan...

Jakes · Post: # 1151348Post **Jakes** » Wed 28 Sep 2011 12:45am

Going against the grain but he's actually right. He's just referring to a small part of the game plan.

In 08 Collingwood played the ball through the wings as opposed through the middle of the ground and did get heavily criticised for it because when the ball did get inside the forward 50 it would end up in the pocket and the then unreliable forwards they had kicking for goal would inevitably miss.

When in 09 StKilda refined their defensive press game plan, their counterattack would also be played on the wings and not just the centre of the ground. I remember one analyst commenting on it saying "StKilda almost dare their opponents to play through the centre of the ground".

So whilst yes Collingwood then went on to incorporate part of StKilda's game plan (and ultimately make it better) Malthouse's comments aren't actually incorrect.

Teflon · Post: # 1151351Post **Teflon** » Wed 28 Sep 2011 12:48am

Jakes wrote:
When in 09 StKilda refined their defensive press game plan, their counterattack would also be played on the wings and not just the centre of the ground. I remember one analyst commenting on it saying "StKilda almost dare their opponents to play through the centre of the ground".
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Daring your opponents to play the centre corridor doesnt necessarily mean we played the wings???

Jakes · Post: # 1151396Post **Jakes** » Wed 28 Sep 2011 3:20am

Teflon wrote:
Jakes wrote:
When in 09 StKilda refined their defensive press game plan, their counterattack would also be played on the wings and not just the centre of the ground. I remember one analyst commenting on it saying "StKilda almost dare their opponents to play through the centre of the ground".
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Daring your opponents to play the centre corridor doesnt necessarily mean we played the wings???

It doesn't necessarily mean that but because we attacked on the wings and because of how good our press was, the opposition often had little choice but to try attack through the centre of the ground. Unfortunately for most of them it didn't work because our defence was so miserly.

saintspremiers · Wed 28 Sep 2011 7:46am

jays wrote:lol he has no idea

Nup, no idea.

He'd love to keep coaching but honors his contract until the end and now may never coach AFL again.

I rate MM way above Lyin at the moment.