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stinger · Post: # 1151102Post **stinger** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:20pm

i lost a lot of respect for paul roos last night.....was suggesting that the saints did something bad to judas and that whatever it was ..made it impossible for judas to remain at the saints.....wouldn't say what it was though....

typical ...throw enough s*** to cover judas's tracks why don't you roos....ffs...

...also defended judas for ball leaving for greener pastures ...after noddy stating that the saints would regret for a long long time judas telling ball he was not in the saints best 22 players.....said ball wasn't at the time...but was now a far far better footballer....

...wot a load of old cobblers....but then ...who is ross' best mate....or is that ...only mate????

SainterK · Post: # 1151117Post **SainterK** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:39pm

Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.

Verdun66 · Post: # 1151123Post **Verdun66** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:41pm

Could be anything. All the way from they wouldn't give him a couple of years salary up-front, to some office joker at Seaford putting salt in his tea.

I mean honestly....it seems so juvenile. Maybe a board member called him a nasty name.

Poor Ross. Actually, not so poor now.

plugger66 · Post: # 1151127Post **plugger66** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:42pm

SainterK wrote:Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.

Well if they were that is a disgrace. I doubt it very much to be honest.

SainterK · Post: # 1151128Post **SainterK** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:43pm

plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.
Well if they were that is a disgrace. I doubt it very much to be honest.

I agree, shouldn't ever happen.

Board either buys in to the style, or they don't.

Have my suspicions they did though.

SaintPav · Post: # 1151129Post **SaintPav** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:44pm

It sounds about as believable as when Ross said we was committed to his contract.

spert · Post: # 1151133Post **spert** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:47pm

The board probably said half way though the season to Lyon -you had three goes and didn't win a premiership, and now with no wins, you want to talk contracts...nah let's see how you go by the end of the season, then we'll talk contracts.

stinger · Post: # 1151137Post **stinger** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:51pm

SainterK wrote:Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.

no ..he wouldn't say....the subject came up because roos had been quoted in a west aussie paper saying that judas had no choice but to leave the saints

..said on tellie last night that if he had been asked for his advice..he would have told ross to leave...also said that the ceo was well aware of the reasons for judas leaving...apart from that he said sfa...apart from that he was ross's mate and therefore wouldn't be discussing it publicly...yeah yeah...

stinger · Post: # 1151138Post **stinger** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:53pm

SaintPav wrote:It sounds about as believable as when Ross said we was committed to his contract.

who...me ..or roos...??

SaintPav · Post: # 1151139Post **SaintPav** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:55pm

stinger wrote:
SaintPav wrote:It sounds about as believable as when Ross said we was committed to his contract.
who...me ..or roos...??

you.

nah, Roos and Lyon of course.

SaintPav · Post: # 1151140Post **SaintPav** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 5:56pm

stinger wrote:
SainterK wrote:Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.
no ..he wouldn't say....the subject came up because roos had been quoted in a west aussie paper saying that judas had no choice but to leave the saints

..said on tellie last night that if he had been asked for his advice..he would have told ross to leave...also said that the ceo was well aware of the reasons for judas leaving...apart from that he said sfa...apart from that he was ross's mate and therefore wouldn't be discussing it publicly...yeah yeah...

Riiiigghhht! Why gp there in the firts place. Bunch of wankers.

Spinner · Post: # 1151148Post **Spinner** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:06pm

stinger wrote:i lost a lot of respect for paul roos last night.....was suggesting that the saints did something bad to judas and that whatever it was ..made it impossible for judas to remain at the saints.....wouldn't say what it was though....

typical ...throw enough s*** to cover judas's tracks why don't you roos....ffs...

...also defended judas for ball leaving for greener pastures ...after noddy stating that the saints would regret for a long long time judas telling ball he was not in the saints best 22 players.....said ball wasn't at the time...but was now a far far better footballer....

...wot a load of old cobblers....but then ...who is ross' best mate....or is that ...only mate????

Agree.

Used smoke and mirrors to defend actions but was never ever going to explain and detail.

Thing is, he could easily be using only his reputation, to backup Ross and no one can question it.

Thing is, media don't know why he left... Other than money and minor other things. Roos attempts to paint a bigger cloud over that.

stinger · Post: # 1151150Post **stinger** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:09pm

SaintPav wrote:
stinger wrote:
SaintPav wrote:It sounds about as believable as when Ross said we was committed to his contract.
who...me ..or roos...??
you.

nah, Roos and Lyon of course.

wipes brow whilst being greatly relieved...

Junction Oval · Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:10pm

The worry is, that "something" fairly disconcerting has occured. If it was Board interference, or Pelchen's attitude, it must be sorted out before similar things occur with the New Coach.

If it was primarily Ross's fault (there are always two sides), then he's gone now. There have been many "departures" at the Club, which is not a good signal for on-going harmony and working co-operatively towards a single-minded goal.

stinger · Post: # 1151155Post **stinger** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:11pm

Spinner wrote:
stinger wrote:i lost a lot of respect for paul roos last night.....was suggesting that the saints did something bad to judas and that whatever it was ..made it impossible for judas to remain at the saints.....wouldn't say what it was though....

typical ...throw enough s*** to cover judas's tracks why don't you roos....ffs...

...also defended judas for ball leaving for greener pastures ...after noddy stating that the saints would regret for a long long time judas telling ball he was not in the saints best 22 players.....said ball wasn't at the time...but was now a far far better footballer....

...wot a load of old cobblers....but then ...who is ross' best mate....or is that ...only mate????

Agree.

Used smoke and mirrors to defend actions but was never ever going to explain and detail.

Thing is, he could easily be using only his reputation, to backup Ross and no one can question it.

Thing is, media don't know why he left... Other than money and minor other things. Roos attempts to paint a bigger cloud over that.

yep.....trying to protect judas's reputation...or so that's how it appeared to me....made noddy sit up and take notice though.....we haven't heard the last of this....

Moods · Post: # 1151156Post **Moods** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:15pm

stinger wrote:
...also defended judas for ball leaving for greener pastures ...after noddy stating that the saints would regret for a long long time judas telling ball he was not in the saints best 22 players.....said ball wasn't at the time...but was now a far far better footballer....

...wot a load of old cobblers....but then ...who is ross' best mate....or is that ...only mate????

I actually reckon that's spot on. No way Ball is the same footballer now as he was back at the end of 09. Now that may well be Lyon's fault. It may well be the fact that the pies sports medicine staff are superior to ours, it may be that Luke Ball pulled his finger out. Any way you look at it though Ball was a dead set plodder in 09 - he is now pretty much back to where he was in 05.

At the time I 100% agreed with Lyon - and Ball has shown the character to prove he's no where near finished.

Just b/c Ball had a good GF in 09 doesn't mean he was some sort of star not being given a fair go. He was terrible in the prelim and his only game of note in the 2nd half of that season (other than the GF) was the game against the hawks in Launceston.

saintspremiers · Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:22pm

At the end of the day, Greg Ghostaway didn't deliver us a ten coach like he said/expected.

Our club has never been strong enough at board level to achieve this, even if the admin side is slowly improving over the years.

Maybe in 20 years it will get fixed. Clearly takes a lot of time.

jays · Post: # 1151161Post **jays** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:25pm

not good form

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1151174Post **MCG-Unit** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:48pm

SaintPav wrote:
stinger wrote:
SainterK wrote:Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.
no ..he wouldn't say....the subject came up because roos had been quoted in a west aussie paper saying that judas had no choice but to leave the saints

..said on tellie last night that if he had been asked for his advice..he would have told ross to leave...also said that the ceo was well aware of the reasons for judas leaving...apart from that he said sfa...apart from that he was ross's mate and therefore wouldn't be discussing it publicly...yeah yeah...
Right! Why gp there in the first place. Bunch of wankers.

To be fair, it looked like Sheahan and Healy were trying to prise out of Roos some reasons for his comments that Lyon had no choice but to depart.
Something has happened for sure, maybe about RL's contract, or Pelchen's arrival....

SaintPav · Post: # 1151180Post **SaintPav** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 6:58pm

saintspremiers wrote:At the end of the day, Greg Ghostaway didn't deliver us a ten coach like he said/expected.

Our club has never been strong enough at board level to achieve this, even if the admin side is slowly improving over the years.

Maybe in 20 years it will get fixed. Clearly takes a lot of time.

So the only important decison that a board ever has to make is to appoint a coach is it? How do you know what happened at board level? There are two sides to every story but I believe Nathan Burke's version as per his piece in Inside Football.

BTW, the board's role is much wider than making one decision, albeit a very important one to appoint the coach and it should be seen in a broader context of running a business responsibly.

StSteven · Post: # 1151183Post **StSteven** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 7:02pm

Agree with previous post. Too easy to be flippant about this but Roos made it clear something happened and Ross had little alternative but to leave. Implied it was serious and Westaway knows exactly what it was.

It will all come out soon.....it always does

Dr Spaceman · Tue 27 Sep 2011 7:03pm

MCG-Unit wrote:
SaintPav wrote:
stinger wrote:
SainterK wrote:Well to be fair Stinger, Paul knows all about 'intenable' situations.Â

When Barry needed him, he didn't even return his phone calls.Â

Did he say the 'Saints' did something wrong, or the board, or make it sound like he fell out with a particular individual?

I reckon the board was telling him how to coach.
no ..he wouldn't say....the subject came up because roos had been quoted in a west aussie paper saying that judas had no choice but to leave the saints

..said on tellie last night that if he had been asked for his advice..he would have told ross to leave...also said that the ceo was well aware of the reasons for judas leaving...apart from that he said sfa...apart from that he was ross's mate and therefore wouldn't be discussing it publicly...yeah yeah... Â :roll:
Right! Â Why gp there in the first place. Â Bunch of wankers. Â :twisted: Â :evil:
To be fair, it looked like Sheahan and Healy were trying to prise out of Roos some reasons for his comments that Lyon had no choice but to depart.
Something has happened for sure, maybe about RL's contract, or Pelchen's arrival....

I can understand Healy & Noddy putting pressure on Roos.

But given he was never going to spill the beans it would be better if he simply said "I'm a good friend of Ross so I'd prefer not to comment on what has happened".

Heidelberg_Saint · Tue 27 Sep 2011 9:23pm

I've got a feeling Burkey & Loewey are trying get Harves the senior gig. Just a hunch, but these guys were involved in sacking Alves, Blight, maybe Lyon??

asaint · Post: # 1151260Post **asaint** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 9:38pm

I've got a feeling Burkey & Loewey are trying get Harves the senior gig. Just a hunch, but these guys were involved in sacking Alves, Blight, maybe Lyon??

Now that is just ridiculous.

saintbrat · Tue 27 Sep 2011 10:42pm

Heidelberg_Saint wrote:I've got a feeling Burkey & Loewey are trying get Harves the senior gig. Just a hunch, but these guys were involved in sacking Alves, Blight, maybe Lyon??

and the one subject that will get the mild mannered Harves Riled

from his book- Harves "Strength through loyalty"
Page 135
" The most dissappointing thing after Stan got the sack was the innuendo that Burkey, Loewey and myself had somehow been behind it. To this day, that was a slur that I resented and I still do. I think it's ridiculous to suggest that players had so much input to oust a coach. Unfortunately, people on the media, headed by Rex Hunt , perpetuated the myth and it was just utter crap......>>>>>>>>>> ( he had a go at Hunt on air the next year) >>> But the whole thing was serious to me and I regarded it as an insult....>>>>>>>>
, but all the allegations that were levellled at us were a nightmare."

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