Goddard trade talk

Dan Warna · Post: # 1149455Post **Dan Warna** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:14pm

Makes me feel sick and disappointed in folks.

you folks demand loyalty from coaches and players and yet talk dismissively of a player who is a club champion and one of the top players in the competition as trade bait.

Goddard SHOULD play out his career and be venerated as a club legend, not be treated as a piece of meat.

If he chooses to go, we will be compensated under the rules and get a deal similar to ablett or scully.

If he chooses to stay he has 5 plus years of footy and will be around for our next crack.

What is to say the juniors we select will be loyal? what is to say they will be any good? of the quality players in the top 20, more than 1/2 fail to play more than 50 games through being overrated, injured, not maturing, not putting in the effort, or getting better offers. Even if they pan out, what is to stop them going into the PSD at age 21/22 and us getting nothing?

HERE we have a superstar of the game, and you folks want to gamble on a potential who is highly unlikely to be anywere nearly as good as goddard.

Some of you people make me sick.

Yes I was wrong to have faith in Lyon, however I think with Goddard I'd rather have faith in him as a person and a saint than treat him as a potential traitor or a piece of meat.

the club will be wrong to treat a player of Goddard calibre, maturity and leadership as such.

Cheers

Dan.

Little Dozer · Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:16pm

We won't be compensated if he walks when free-agency is introduced.

Dan Warna · Post: # 1149458Post **Dan Warna** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:21pm

oh so then we should trade all our quality players 2 years into a 3 year contract so we don't lose them to free agency because we have to assume all our players our selfish asswipes, and instead of developing players, we just use the free agency model to buy our team every 2 years, sign them to 3 year contracts and trade them again.

Wow, fantastic logic and way to build camaraderie and team dynamics.

Little Dozer · Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:24pm

Every St Kilda supporter wants BJ to stay but we have to be realistic, he can walk for nothing after next season. Then what?

ausfatcat · Post: # 1149460Post **ausfatcat** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:24pm

Little Dozer wrote:We won't be compensated if he walks when free-agency is introduced.

yes we will

St Ick · Post: # 1149462Post **St Ick** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:30pm

I believe we have to lose one of our 'top 8' to successfully rebuild.

We need to ascertain from BJ whether he will or wont go next year, I know he doesn't have to, but I would have a fair bit of extra respect for him if he was open about it with the club.

If he wants to stay, sign him up now and stop the media rumours, if he wants to go, its best for the club and the player to get on with his career (without distractions) to go this year.

If he moved on this year, we could get O'Meara and a top 10 draft pick this year. Potentially setting us up for the next decade. If he moved next year, we get two first round picks, depending on where we finish it could be pick 15 and 20 or something.

Unfortunately, footy is changing, with free agency, we'd need to make our club attractive for future suitors or existing players. We aren't going to bottom out and get a few years of top 3 draft picks, so this really is the only way to rebuild.

I don't want to see BJ go, but if he is going to anyway, its important to get the right compensation for him at the right time for both parties. I don't want a years worth of the Scully/Ablett type talk to read about every week.

saintbrat · Post: # 1149464Post **saintbrat** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:39pm

hear hear Dan

and heaven forbid he goes under free agency- next year we get the option to MATCH any offer + conpensation pick of value to be determined by AFL_ for BJ 2 pick would be minimum- personally

BUT Stick around BJ_ some of us eare loyal to our players ..

bobmurray · Post: # 1149473Post **bobmurray** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 4:58pm

Whatever happens................happens...i think greed will win out

Dan Warna · Post: # 1149475Post **Dan Warna** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:03pm

bobmurray wrote:Whatever happens................happens...i think greed will win out

perhaps, but we can buy players through the same system.

whoever buys goddard will be paying somewhere in the vicinity of 1m WITHOUT the option to bury some in the vets list.

we will then free up a commensurate amount in our salary cap.

matrix · Post: # 1149480Post **matrix** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:11pm

St Ick · Post: # 1149488Post **St Ick** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:21pm

matrix wrote:gawn

Surely he is worth more than that big bloke from Melbourne...

degruch · Post: # 1149489Post **degruch** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:23pm

He'd be the last person I'd like to leave the club, I reckon the club would feel the same...no chance we'll trade him early IMO. If he walks next year, he walks, but he won't walk for free, salary cap and asking price might dictate where/when/if he goes.

Stillwaiting · Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:36pm

Well said Dan. The talk of trading Goddard for picks or whatever is just bullshyte. Even if we get high draft picks it's unlikely we will get a player anywhere near is good as bj, or as dedicated to the saints

Sobraz · Post: # 1149496Post **Sobraz** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:37pm

Agreed Dan...

Must do everything in our power to ensure he remains a Saints for life...

Great clubs don't lose great players as often as we have...

We need to ensure those days are over...

Sainternist · Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:39pm

Well said, Dan.

bobmurray wrote:Whatever happens................happens...i think greed will win out

Gosh, are you this pessimistic in real life?

Cheer up, mate

bobmurray · Post: # 1149499Post **bobmurray** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:51pm

Sainternist wrote:Well said, Dan.

bobmurray wrote:Whatever happens................happens...i think greed will win out
Gosh, are you this pessimistic in real life?

Cheer up, mate

WTF has real life got to do with Goddard's future......it'll pan out without any influence from us and we'll all get on here and comment.....is that real enough for ya......

Witeout23 · Post: # 1149500Post **Witeout23** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:54pm

Can someone enlighten me as to how Collingwood manage to keep all their stars and still remain under the salary cap?

Sainternist · Sat 24 Sep 2011 5:55pm

bobmurray wrote:
Sainternist wrote:Well said, Dan.

bobmurray wrote:Whatever happens................happens...i think greed will win out
Gosh, are you this pessimistic in real life?

Cheer up, mate
WTF has real life got to do with Goddard's future......it'll pan out without any influence from us and we'll all get on here and comment.....is that real enough for ya......

Sorry, my bad. Goddard's future is all virtual reality.

St Ick · Post: # 1149509Post **St Ick** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:12pm

This may be a little nieve of me, but will what chance is there of BJ being honest with the new coach about his intentions after next year? I said it above, but lets extend his contract now or see if he wants to extend it.

I don't want to lose him as much as the next person, but if he is going to walk, he owes that to his CLUB to tell us now so we can get the best result out of him leaving. He has stated he wants to help us going forward, that could be for a year only. If RL has taught us anything its that blind faith will get us nowhere.

Anyone wanting to talk about culture can look at Sydney, they've put Jude and ROK on the trade table in recent years and they are considered to have the best culture and most loyal players in the AFL.

I don't want to move him on if he wants to stay, NO WAY and I don't think we'll do that, but if he doesn't have intentions of staying, he should be honest with us too. Its a two way street both parties should respect each other enough not to play games. Blind faith will get us nowhere mark my words.

saint75 · Post: # 1149510Post **saint75** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:14pm

Goddard won't leave without a VERY good reason. BJ went storming into our membership department demanding to know why Melbourne had a higher membership than St Kilda in the early part of the season a couple of years ago. I think some underestimate his fierce loyalty and determination. He won't be going anywhere!!! He is a very strong part of the fabric of this club.

PS: Roo was sprouting the same 'wait and see but don't want to leave St Kilda' line a couple of years ago before he re signed with us for 5 years. Many were touting him as a certainty for GC due to his family ties (which have all moved to Victoria now).

8856brother · Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:18pm

If he ends up at the filth I am giving the game away and going fishing

St Ick · Post: # 1149513Post **St Ick** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:19pm

saint75 wrote:I think some underestimate his fierce loyalty and determination. He won't be going anywhere!!! He is a very strong part of the fabric of this club.

If this is true then

wolfpup · Post: # 1149524Post **wolfpup** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:40pm

Little Dozer wrote:We won't be compensated if he walks when free-agency is introduced.

the 10 ten money earners in each club cant walk due to free agency

Schillaci · Post: # 1149527Post **Schillaci** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:47pm

Should do everything to keep him. As much as possible anyway. If he goes and we get nothing for him...so be it.

Dan Warna · Post: # 1149529Post **Dan Warna** » Sat 24 Sep 2011 6:49pm

Schillaci wrote:Should do everything to keep him. As much as possible anyway. If he goes and we get nothing for him...so be it.

if he walks he clears 700k from our salary cap which we can use to get another player from free agency.....

Personally I would rather trust him, and expect the best from him.

Don't forget its too late for him to go into the vets list in any other club, a big advantage for us.

agree 100 Schillaci, treat him well, instead of like a piece of meat.