Last night's game proves why its good Lyon is gone

[sainterinsydney]

It was Lyon's ego and unwillingness to give Luke Ball a decent go that forced him to go to the Woods. Ball should have been given much more game time in the '09 GF--he was playing terrific football until he was taken off. It was then that same ego that got us nothing for Ball in the trade period.

Just remember Ball whenever you feel we should have locked Lyon in. Lyon has done us a favour by taking his inflated head to Freo!

[kosifantutti23]

And under Lyon we could never compete against that free flowing high scoring football we saw last night.

[Con Gorozidis]

He's a knob and he will fail at freo.
I seriously reckon we can challenge in 2012.

Then after that we r in total re build.

But lyon left our list in worse shape than when he found it. Something he should not be proud of but he doesn't seem to give a flog.

[saintspremiers]

And under Lyon we could never compete against that free flowing high scoring football we saw last night.

Hilarious.

Didn't the Hawks push forward quickly and directly though?

No stopping and chipping sideways or backward much either.

It's just their entries in 50 could've been better in the last qtr.

Collingwood would've stitched us up. We don't have the Hawks skill under extreme close pressure.

[Johnny Member]

And under Lyon we could never compete against that free flowing high scoring football we saw last night.

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

[bigcarl]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

[plugger66]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

[PJ]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

[BigMart]

I whinged about Ball from the very day he was traded......and will continue to.....and he has proved me right every step of the way, which was inevitable.....

Gun footballer, gun person

Ex saint captain and champion......and again last night hit hard

Infact he has kicked the critical goal in both their finals...

[Leo.J]

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Maybe it would have been over at quarter time...

Maybe it would have been with the side that Lyon moulded for 5 years.

Our list under a different coach maybe of been able to do that, but thats all supposition.

But so is saying that the game would be over at quarter time.

Both opinions yet you're convinced one is very wrong.

The tired bit regarding the Hawks wouldn't have mattered if they had of kicked those easy goals early on.

[Leo.J]

I whinged about Ball from the very day he was traded......and will continue to.....and he has proved me right every step of the way, which was inevitable.....

Gun footballer, gun person

Ex saint captain and champion......and again last night hit hard

Infact he has kicked the critical goal in both their finals...

That makes me madder by the day.

With both Ball and Lyon.

[plugger66]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

And i have never said morons cant express their opinion. I said morons on here could coach if it was that easy. Does that mean I called people expressing their opinions, morons. No not at all.

[bobmurray]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

And i have never said morons cant express their opinion. I said morons on here could coach if it was that easy. Does that mean I called people expressing their opinions, morons. No not at all.

I thought that was exactly what you were doing.....

[plugger66]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

And i have never said morons cant express their opinion. I said morons on here could coach if it was that easy. Does that mean I called people expressing their opinions, morons. No not at all.

I thought that was exactly what you were doing.....

Well maybe once you learn to read you will understand.

[BushDave]

I think we know our defence has improved and is one of the best, but I agree we need to hurt opponents on the score board.

The next coach needs to build on what we have and set up a forward structure where Nick is not the go to goal kicker all the time. He needs to be able to run up the ground and deliver the ball into the forward line.

I don't think we have had a long, straight kicking, dangerous foward since Heatley. We must get some goal kicking power or we will continue to be mid-pack.

[bobmurray]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

And i have never said morons cant express their opinion. I said morons on here could coach if it was that easy. Does that mean I called people expressing their opinions, morons. No not at all.

I thought that was exactly what you were doing.....

Well maybe once you learn to read you will understand.

maybe you should learn to write what you mean and then you wouldn't continually have to correct yourself........there has to be a price for leaving school after grade 5....

[plugger66]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

And i have never said morons cant express their opinion. I said morons on here could coach if it was that easy. Does that mean I called people expressing their opinions, morons. No not at all.

I thought that was exactly what you were doing.....

Well maybe once you learn to read you will understand.

maybe you should learn to write what you mean and then you wouldn't continually have to correct yourself........there has to be a price for leaving school after grade 5....

I wrote exactly want I meant. Maybe you should read exactly what I wrote. And maybe you will say something funny one day. I take it you know what humour is. I just wish you could put it into practise. Now run away and watch the comedy channel. That may give you a clue or two about humour.

[jays]

its true

[The Fireman]

Ball is a rat..oh.. and a skunk.

[3rd generation saint]

Actually last night's game made me angry because that was the prelim final the filth was suppose to have last year so we could beat them the following week.
Bastards!

[joffaboy]

Actually thought ball was ordinary last night until Hawthorn dropped off him at a crucial stopage at 15 metres from goal.

Ball was sloppy in his disposal, run down, and generally the worst mid in the Collingwood team last night.

The Pies should thank their lucky stars they have the calibre of Pendelbury and Swan to carry Ball.

Not saying Ball was bad, just the same as always. Hasn't really improved since leaving the Saints AFAIAC.

I am sure there will be some (one for sure) who will disagree, but who cares, I wish Ball well, have no animosity towards him. Obviously his contribution is important to Collingwood, but there is no doubt he is leveraged by the rest of the Pie mids.

[SainterK]

I get quite angry at Ball...

3 goals in 2009, looked nothing like he does now physically.

Why couldn't he play like that for us?

[saint patrick]

I get quite angry at Ball...

3 goals in 2009, looked nothing like he does now physically.

Why couldn't he play like that for us?

Was salt on the wound last night

[bobmurray]

It's funny you should say that.


I reckon watching the game last night, Lyon would have been thinking to himself 'see, I told you. It's all about defence and keeping your opponent from scoring'.

He would have been thinking that right up until 3/4 time. But, as has been the case forever, and particularly with us, you need to be able to score to win.

And Collingwood were able to score. In a low scoring, tight struggle, they somehow found 5 goals! 5 goals!

They'd kicked 5 for 3 quarters, but then were able to turn it on and find another 5 in a Prelim final.


That was the difference.


It was the difference with us in 09 (granted, there were other things too), and it was the difference in 2010 aswell. Both games, when it was tight, we just couldn't manufacture that extra goal - and both times our opponents did.



You must be able to hurt your opponent offensively. And not a grinding hurt over 4 quarters - a short, sharp knockout blow whenever you need it. Not a 'death by 1000 cuts hurt - but a quick goal, or a quick burst that is found when you need it.



I have a suspicion that Lyon would still believe that it's all about keep your opponent to low scores - it's just that Hawthorn didn't defend well enough in the last quarter. He seems that stubborn in regards to his own ideals.


And I still believe, and last night further proves it for me, that he's wrong.

Sums Lyon and his philosophy up perfectly. Our willingness to tale risks went out the door when GT was sacked and replaced by this stubborn, inflexible, robot of a man. It cost us premierships IMO.

Yep we should have taken risks with our kicking. The Hawks are a great kicking side but when they got tired in the last quarter their kicking started to struggle and the pies pounced. If we tried to play anything like the Hawks last night the game would have been over at quarter time. I love how we think it is that simple how the game should be played. Well it isnt otherwise morons on here could coach.

Morons on here have the right to express opinions as does Lyon to take money rather than established working relationships that he cares about.

The point being expressed is are we better off without Lyon - all debatable but in a hypothetical world calling someone a moron is just that - moronic.

And i have never said morons cant express their opinion. I said morons on here could coach if it was that easy. Does that mean I called people expressing their opinions, morons. No not at all.

I thought that was exactly what you were doing.....

Well maybe once you learn to read you will understand.

maybe you should learn to write what you mean and then you wouldn't continually have to correct yourself........there has to be a price for leaving school after grade 5....

I wrote exactly want I meant. Maybe you should read exactly what I wrote. And maybe you will say something funny one day. I take it you know what humour is. I just wish you could put it into practise. Now run away and watch the comedy channel. That may give you a clue or two about humour.

I'll write something funny as soon as you do......

ok......... i'll go first...

plugger66 knows his stuff......

[BigMart]

He believes he does....sadly, he believes most people think he does....