Umpires are cheats!

[jonesy]

I can't stop saying "f***!".....this is not right

The umpires are UnAustralian. F-wits should be deported. Why do they support evil?

i have so much hate for that black and white corrupt vile evil organisation and all it's supporters. They make me SICK!!!!!!!


F***

This is the worst moment of the year,hands down

[gurubob101]

Umpires aren't cheats and anyone who thinks so is delusional.

Whenever there is a loss, it's always blamed on the umpires, but not the 22 players on the field.

Umpiring decisions might affect the game, but the only thing which determined the result tonight were the 44 players on the field.

Delusional? Don't like either of these teams but the umpiring in the last quarter was inconsistent and incompetent and had a major impact on the result of the game. But Geischen and Dimwit will just gloss over yet another appalling display from their clowns with whistles. Not good enough IMHO.

[tweedaletomanning]

I can't stop saying "f***!".....this is not right

The umpires are UnAustralian. F-wits should be deported. Why do they support evil?

i have so much hate for that black and white corrupt vile evil organisation and all it's supporters. They make me SICK!!!!!!!


F***

This is the worst moment of the year,hands down

And as much as you think you hate the filth, I think i would despise them a hundred times more than you do

[sRaf]

Thanks Einstein, but we have eyes...what do you call Hodge having his head ripped off with minutes to go, in front of goals, 4 points down? Most people call it a free.

Regardless if it was a free or not, the umpires did not cheat. Umpires do not cheat.

Short memory there mate, 2009 GF ring a bell, when a goal is PAID when it hit the bloody post..... We were 5 points down when the siren went, so yes the umpires can change how a game is played out.

Games are more often than not decided by the players, but more often than not the blame is put on umpires. That is what I'm trying to get at.

nice last sentence - something that might affect the game doesn't help determine the result?
a number of horrid, game determining decisions, all one way.
the umpiring in this instance absolutely determined the game.
really feel for the hawks. they must be spewing, but publicly have to suck it up.

There were free kicks that were paid, there were some that weren't. There were some mind boggling stupid decision made by Hawthorn players, but the majority of people are ignoring those and focusing on the umpires. Hawthorn cost themselves the game, but I'm not knocking you for having a different POV.

what irks me is that channel 7 was happy to show a free kick count when it was all even or close to but they wouldnt put up the free kick count at the end of the game because in the last quarter the free kicks fell all one way.

There is no doubt Hawthorn were robbed and anyone who cant see that has blinkers on .

I dont care for either side but free kicks or lack of determined the result.

Free Kicks in the last quarter
Hawthorn 7, Collingwood 7

Hang on, it wasnt just that one! How about high on hodge just outside the goalsquare? What a fukking absolute disgrace. Anyone wankers in this thread who say umpires cant directly effect the outcome of a close match like that have absolutely no idea, go follow another sport.

Hawthorn should make as much noise as possible and rightly feel completely ripped off!!

Cue Plugger66 and his small but merry band of umpire/AFL apologist dickheads. FFS.

"I disagree with so therefore you are wrong". If you're not up to having discussions on a forum you might as well just log off and drink your kool-aid elsewhere.

[SainterK]

It's SP, he always finds a way

[jonesy]

I can't stop saying "f***!".....this is not right

The umpires are UnAustralian. F-wits should be deported. Why do they support evil?

i have so much hate for that black and white corrupt vile evil organisation and all it's supporters. They make me SICK!!!!!!!


F***

This is the worst moment of the year,hands down

And as much as you think you hate the filth, I think i would despise them a hundred times more than you do

You might need to book yourself in for some treatment then...that is a lot of pent up anger

[degruch]

Thanks Einstein, but we have eyes...what do you call Hodge having his head ripped off with minutes to go, in front of goals, 4 points down? Most people call it a free.

Regardless if it was a free or not, the umpires did not cheat. Umpires do not cheat.

You can say it a thousand time (and I know what you're getting at re: tonight), but Centrebet and a goal umpire suggest you're probably not 100% right.

[Bernard Shakey]

What the F*** has any of this crap got to do with St Kilda?

What the F*** has Neil Young got to do with St Kilda? Get off this forum!

You get of this forum and onto the Opposition Forum where this rubbish belongs.

Yes grandad. Who let you out of your bedroom tonight?

I am a granddad and have often wondered why a little boy on a bike is allowed to stay up so late posting crap on a footy forum.

[degruch]

What the F*** has any of this crap got to do with St Kilda?

What the F*** has Neil Young got to do with St Kilda? Get off this forum!

You get of this forum and onto the Opposition Forum where this rubbish belongs.

Yes grandad. Who let you out of your bedroom tonight?

I am a granddad and have often wondered why a little boy on a bike is allowed to stay up so late posting crap on a footy forum.

Fair point...I'm going to my room now.

[tweedaletomanning]

What the F*** has any of this crap got to do with St Kilda?

What the F*** has Neil Young got to do with St Kilda? Get off this forum!

You get of this forum and onto the Opposition Forum where this rubbish belongs.

Yes grandad. Who let you out of your bedroom tonight?

I am a granddad and have often wondered why a little boy on a bike is allowed to stay up so late posting crap on a footy forum.

Classic

[sRaf]

Umpires aren't cheats and anyone who thinks so is delusional.

Whenever there is a loss, it's always blamed on the umpires, but not the 22 players on the field.

Umpiring decisions might affect the game, but the only thing which determined the result tonight were the 44 players on the field.

Delusional? Don't like either of these teams but the umpiring in the last quarter was inconsistent and incompetent and had a major impact on the result of the game. But Geischen and Dimwit will just gloss over yet another appalling display from their clowns with whistles. Not good enough IMHO.

Re read my post. I'm not calling people who are questioning the umpiring decisions delusional, I'm calling the people who think umpires are cheats (as in, go out of their way to screw a team) delusional. Hey, umpires are inconsistent and can be incompetent. I am not denying that. The fact that umpiring differs from game to game irritates me to no end.

What I am denying is that Hawthorn lost because of the umpires. I always share the perspective that players are more responsible for a loss than umpires.

[degruch]

What the F*** has any of this crap got to do with St Kilda?

What the F*** has Neil Young got to do with St Kilda? Get off this forum!

You get of this forum and onto the Opposition Forum where this rubbish belongs.

Yes grandad. Who let you out of your bedroom tonight?

I am a granddad and have often wondered why a little boy on a bike is allowed to stay up so late posting crap on a footy forum.

Classic

Classic crap.

[tweedaletomanning]

I can't stop saying "f***!".....this is not right

The umpires are UnAustralian. F-wits should be deported. Why do they support evil?

i have so much hate for that black and white corrupt vile evil organisation and all it's supporters. They make me SICK!!!!!!!


F***

This is the worst moment of the year,hands down

And as much as you think you hate the filth, I think i would despise them a hundred times more than you do

You might need to book yourself in for some treatment then...that is a lot of pent up anger

Actually, hating the filth can sometimes be quite therapuetic.

[sRaf]

Thanks Einstein, but we have eyes...what do you call Hodge having his head ripped off with minutes to go, in front of goals, 4 points down? Most people call it a free.

Regardless if it was a free or not, the umpires did not cheat. Umpires do not cheat.

You can say it a thousand time (and I know what you're getting at re: tonight), but Centrebet and a goal umpire suggest you're probably not 100% right.

Of course, there are exceptions and isolated instances, but that's also the case in every facet of the game.

The statement 'umpires are cheats' is the same as 'assistant coaches are gamblers'. Both are sweeping statements and generalisations which are false.

[degruch]

Thanks Einstein, but we have eyes...what do you call Hodge having his head ripped off with minutes to go, in front of goals, 4 points down? Most people call it a free.

Regardless if it was a free or not, the umpires did not cheat. Umpires do not cheat.

You can say it a thousand time (and I know what you're getting at re: tonight), but Centrebet and a goal umpire suggest you're probably not 100% right.

Of course, there are exceptions and isolated instances, but that's also the case in every facet of the game.

The statement 'umpires are cheats' is the same as 'assistant coaches are gamblers'. Both are sweeping statements and generalisations which are false.

The paranoid in me says we've only seen the tip of the iceberg...the realist in me says those in the umpiring fraternity who are less professional than some, get carried away by the crowd and make stupid decisions based on the flow of the game. Tonight was a perfect example. Maybe not cheating, yes.

[desertsaint]

look it's simply naive in the extreme to state that umpires don't cheat. there are many instances of match fixing by umpires around the world.
if you speak in absolutes expect people to pull you up on it.
now go and do a bit of research on the subject before getting on your high horse.
or simply use a bit of reasoning - umpires are human, some humans cheat, ergo, some umpires cheat.
and no i don't think these particular umpires cheated, i think they were just incompetent and swayed by the crowd and the occassion.
and yes it definitely cost hawthorn the game - if umpired correctly the hawks would have won.

[savatage]

Thanks Einstein, but we have eyes...what do you call Hodge having his head ripped off with minutes to go, in front of goals, 4 points down? Most people call it a free.

Regardless if it was a free or not, the umpires did not cheat. Umpires do not cheat.

You can say it a thousand time (and I know what you're getting at re: tonight), but Centrebet and a goal umpire suggest you're probably not 100% right.

Of course, there are exceptions and isolated instances, but that's also the case in every facet of the game.

The statement 'umpires are cheats' is the same as 'assistant coaches are gamblers'. Both are sweeping statements and generalisations which are false.

OK let's call the thread, a lot of umpires are sh## #$^! \ , then we're all good right? lol

[savatage]

and no i don't think these particular umpires cheated, i think they were just incompetent and swayed by the crowd and the occassion.
and yes it definitely cost hawthorn the game - if umpired correctly the hawks would have won.

This.

[Sam23]

[Enrico_Misso]

Was at the game.

Umpiring was pretty good till 3/4 time.
Actually it was very good.

But the last quarter was a total disgrace.
They did to Hawthorn what they did to us in the 2009 GF

S H A F T E D !!!!!!

Did they have an "agenda".
Are they incompetent?
Did they just have a bad quarter?

What really irks me is when the officiating umpire got it so blatently wrong, none of the others came in to override.

[Griggsy]

head high tackle on hodge. Deliberate out of bounds, was blatant what he was trying to do.

[degruch]

head high tackle on hodge. Deliberate out of bounds, was blatant what he was trying to do.

I forgot about that! WTF...terrible.

[kalsaint]

Was at the game.

Umpiring was pretty good till 3/4 time.
Actually it was very good.

But the last quarter was a total disgrace.
They did to Hawthorn what they did to us in the 2009 GF

S H A F T E D !!!!!!

Did they have an "agenda".
Are they incompetent?
Did they just have a bad quarter?


What really irks me is when the officiating umpire got it so blatently wrong, none of the others came in to override.

Good grief!


The frees were 7 to 7 after 3/4 time so how does this show bias. I saw some bad decisions, both ways.

It seems that when Hawthorn had the pressure the frees were all OK, when Collingwood lifted the pressure in the last quarter the frees were somehow all bad!!!??

Rubbish. They were both ways.


Sad to see Hawthorn go down but I dont blame the umpires for this just like I dont blame the umpires for many games St. Kilda lost this year.

There were many game this year this site claims Saints were robbed. Often when the Saints had 20-30% more frees. Thats bias decision making.

[sRaf]

The paranoid in me says we've only seen the tip of the iceberg...the realist in me says those in the umpiring fraternity who are less professional than some, get carried away by the crowd and make stupid decisions based on the flow of the game. Tonight was a perfect example. Maybe not cheating, yes.

Can't argue with this. Well said.

look it's simply naive in the extreme to state that umpires don't cheat. there are many instances of match fixing by umpires around the world.
if you speak in absolutes expect people to pull you up on it.
now go and do a bit of research on the subject before getting on your high horse.
or simply use a bit of reasoning - umpires are human, some humans cheat, ergo, some umpires cheat.
and no i don't think these particular umpires cheated, i think they were just incompetent and swayed by the crowd and the occassion.
and yes it definitely cost hawthorn the game - if umpired correctly the hawks would have won.

High horse? I've been open to discussion and have done my best to reply to all. Or is it just because I share a different view on the matter?

See my reply to degruch a few posts up. Sure there are isolated instances and there are outliers, but a simple bit of reasoning will show that the statement 'umpires are cheats' (which is this topic's title) is not a valid statement. That is what I was replying to. We are speaking in generalities and in general, this is the case. I'm guilty of speaking in absolutes, but I just thought it was common sense that there are exceptions (though very few in our great game). But now we're just getting into semantics.

I'm not denying incompetence and I'm not denying inconsistency since as you mentioned, it's human nature. I still hold the view that Hawthorn cost themselves the game, but that's just my perspective and I respect that you share a different one. To each their own.

[degruch]

The paranoid in me says we've only seen the tip of the iceberg...the realist in me says those in the umpiring fraternity who are less professional than some, get carried away by the crowd and make stupid decisions based on the flow of the game. Tonight was a perfect example. Maybe not cheating, yes.

Can't argue with this. Well said.

Well played Sir, and apologies for being a bit sharp at the beginning.

As a further point, my old man being a Weagles supporter (and shockingly bad sport when it comes to supporting), I'm hyper-sensitive to the huge advantage the Wet Toast are given at home by the umpires - something I've always put down to the phenomenon I've described above. I had to choke down the bile as I cheered "go Blues" last week and, hey presto, what cost 'em the game? Some appalling free kicks to the Worst Coast, just as predicted. Aren't there any umpires who can resist the crowd over there?