Lyon v Ball - who's worse????

ShakenNotStirred · Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:20pm

Interesting scenario and not sure if it has been floated already.

No doubt it has been.

Thoughts?

Dal_Santos_Gal · Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:22pm

A coach I reckon tops any player doing the dirty and that includes one of our other biggest turn coats in Joel Smith!

Toy Saint · Post: # 1142379Post **Toy Saint** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:22pm

Luke Ball is a 1st class individual. Ross Lyon pushed him away from St Kilda

GoTheTorp · Post: # 1142381Post **GoTheTorp** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:23pm

Who cares move on

ShakenNotStirred · Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:23pm

Toy Saint wrote:Luke Ball is a 1st class individual. Ross Lyon pushed him away from St Kilda

Looks that way now, maybe not at the time.

GoTheTorp · Post: # 1142388Post **GoTheTorp** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:25pm

GoTheTorp wrote:Who cares move on

Bowey Boy · Post: # 1142399Post **Bowey Boy** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:31pm

Lyon by a mile. Luke may have been onto something..

desertsaint · Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:31pm

ShakenNotStirred wrote:
Toy Saint wrote:Luke Ball is a 1st class individual. Ross Lyon pushed him away from St Kilda
Looks that way now, maybe not at the time.

always looked tnat way to many of us.

Con Gorozidis · Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:31pm

lyon is a much worse bloke.
lyon spent all of 2009 telling the footy world luke ball was a hack.
then when it came to trade week - he said oh luke ball is really good we wont trade for him.
go figure.

meher baba · Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:32pm

I don't know what "worse" means.

What I would say is that they were clearly attracted to their new clubs by "pull" factors in terms of more $$$ (or, in Ball's case, perhaps only around the same $$$ over the life of the contract, but more of it more quickly).

But I think the "push" factors were far stronger with Ball (although, to be fair, who really knows how pissed off Lyon was about the appointment of p
Pelchen?)

clisaint · Post: # 1142409Post **clisaint** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 7:37pm

desertsaint wrote:
ShakenNotStirred wrote:
Toy Saint wrote:Luke Ball is a 1st class individual. Ross Lyon pushed him away from St Kilda
Looks that way now, maybe not at the time.
always looked tnat way to many of us.

Yep, I reckon support for Luke was unanimous on this site.

Lyon = CLINT

desertsaint · Fri 16 Sep 2011 8:23pm

clisaint wrote:
desertsaint wrote:
ShakenNotStirred wrote:
Toy Saint wrote:Luke Ball is a 1st class individual. Ross Lyon pushed him away from St Kilda
Looks that way now, maybe not at the time.
always looked tnat way to many of us.
Yep, I reckon support for Luke was unanimous on this site.

Lyon = CLINT

unfortunately not - a glance at any of the ball threads will show many more took ross at his word. the 'many' was still a minority on here.
ross was always a prick, but we wanted a flag. ross didn't deserve one. prick.

ShakenNotStirred · Fri 16 Sep 2011 8:36pm

In Ross we used to trust.

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1142502Post **MCG-Unit** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 8:41pm

ShakenNotStirred wrote:Interesting scenario and not sure if it has been floated already.

No doubt it has been.

Thoughts?

It's been more than floated..........

http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=72470

Griggsy · Post: # 1142522Post **Griggsy** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 8:56pm

I think we know who has the Lyons share

BigMart · Post: # 1142529Post **BigMart** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 9:03pm

What, both leaving their jobs for more money......how dare they....

Lyon more opportunity for success.....

Bal for more opportunity period....

Bally was a premiership player in one year and finished fifth in a b and f.,......his decision vindicated

If lyon wins a flag at freo....so will his decision be vindicated

Its a brutal business.....you snooze you lose

santazzi · Post: # 1142535Post **santazzi** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 9:06pm

Opposite sides of the same coin

st.byron · Post: # 1142704Post **st.byron** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 11:08pm

Ball left St.Kilda because of Lyon's midfield running policy. It was Lyon's intransigence and inflexibility that was the cause of us watching Luke Ball running around in a filth jumper.

bigcarl · Post: # 1142739Post **bigcarl** » Fri 16 Sep 2011 11:36pm

I dunno. How do you separate two money-grabbing, selfish traitors?

It's a deadheat IMO

Winmarvellous · Fri 16 Sep 2011 11:49pm

We made 0 GF's with Ball, 3 with Ross. Both went for better money. Ball could have been the premiership difference in that equation, but chose the money first. Coaches move on, so should the supporters.

st.byron · Post: # 1142909Post **st.byron** » Sat 17 Sep 2011 6:14am

bigcarl wrote:I dunno. How do you separate two money-grabbing, selfish traitors?

It's a deadheat IMO

Ball was effectively forced out. Lyon's midfield policy demanded that all mids run for 50% of time on ground. Ball couldn't do it. Was in mid 40's. That's why he was dropped in the first place and Lyon demanded that he be able to do it. Ball couldn't. So instead of seeing the benefits of Ball apart from that, Lyon was inflexible about it. No compromise. So Ball went somewhere his talents are appreciated. And they pay him more.

bigcarl · Post: # 1142912Post **bigcarl** » Sat 17 Sep 2011 7:07am

st.byron wrote:
bigcarl wrote:I dunno. How do you separate two money-grabbing, selfish traitors?

It's a deadheat IMO
Ball was effectively forced out. Lyon's midfield policy demanded that all mids run for 50% of time on ground. Ball couldn't do it. Was in mid 40's. That's why he was dropped in the first place and Lyon demanded that he be able to do it. Ball couldn't. So instead of seeing the benefits of Ball apart from that, Lyon was inflexible about it. No compromise. So Ball went somewhere his talents are appreciated. And they pay him more.

Interesting if that's how it unfolded.

Ross is extremely inflexible and stubborn, that much I know to be true. And his inability to bend even a little cost us.

No imagination and treated his men like robots. Thank heavens we're going to get some fresh ideas.

meher baba · Sat 17 Sep 2011 7:59am

How many of you still believe Lyon's story that Ball was left on the bench for most of the second half of the 2009 GF due to a stuff- up by the guy managing the bench?

Anyone?

I'm waiting.....?

Speak up, I can't hear you......?

kosifantutti23 · Sat 17 Sep 2011 8:11am

I'll never forgive Bail for walking out on us and refusing to talk to any club bar the filth.
If he had been happy to go anywhere we could have done a good deal from a position of strength. As he would only go to the filth, they ended up in the position of strength.
Lyon was our coach, he's not anymore, I'm indifferent to him.

BigMart · Post: # 1142957Post **BigMart** » Sat 17 Sep 2011 9:25am

Which defection was more decietful??

Ball had every right to go.....he was on the outer from the coach...

So much so that ross preferred to risk losing a gf than give luke a go in the second half...

If i were ball, i would have walked because of ross.....and stated as such....and i would have visited him tje day after the grand final wearing my medal, delivering him the paper...open to the best players page

But luckily luke has more class than me...

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