How many flags with the Judd-Harvey-Hayes-Dal Santo midfield

ralphsmith · Wed 14 Sep 2011 2:10pm

Had we drafted Judd instead of Ball.

This one is probably the ultimate what it fantasy.

I say we would have won 3 premierships.

Sobraz · Post: # 1138110Post **Sobraz** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 2:18pm

is that all??....

I recon 9...

every one since Judd was drafted...

Thinline · Post: # 1138125Post **Thinline** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 2:45pm

I reckon they would have given us at least 20 retrospectively.

OneEyedSainter77 · Wed 14 Sep 2011 2:55pm

it really is the off season....

SaintWodonga · Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:07pm

Bartell instead of X Clarke would have been good too!

meher baba · Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:12pm

SaintWodonga wrote:Bartell instead of X Clarke would have been good too!

Absolutely. I assume you were on this forum or one of its predecessors at the time suggesting that we take Bartel?

SinCitySaint · Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:14pm

We would have won at least 4 premierships, 3 NRL championships, 2 Triple Crowns, a Melbourne Cup and the Nobel prize for Literature.

Armoooo · Post: # 1138149Post **Armoooo** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:21pm

If we really wanted to get into it...

We should have taken

Chris Judd (3) over Luke Ball (2)
Jimmy Bartel (8) over Xavier Clarke (5)
Sam Mitchell (36) over Matt Maguire (21)
Dane Swan (58) over Josh Houlihan (49)
Brian Lake (77) over PASS (67)
Nathan Bock (RD 25) over Josh Dicketts (RD 2)
Aaron Sandilands (RD 33) over Ben Schwarze (RD 18)
Ben Rutten (RD 40) over Chris Smith (RD 34)

That's just from one year as well....

skeptic · Post: # 1138155Post **skeptic** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:32pm

Armoooo wrote:If we really wanted to get into it...

We should have taken

Chris Judd (3) over Luke Ball (2)
Jimmy Bartel (8) over Xavier Clarke (5)
Sam Mitchell (36) over Matt Maguire (21)
Dane Swan (58) over Josh Houlihan (49)
Brian Lake (77) over PASS (67)
Nathan Bock (RD 25) over Josh Dicketts (RD 2)
Aaron Sandilands (RD 33) over Ben Schwarze (RD 18)
Ben Rutten (RD 40) over Chris Smith (RD 34)

That's just from one year as well....

God that's depressing

if we'd drafted right that year... fair to say we wouldn't have lost a game since 2005

one can always dream i guess

barks4eva · Post: # 1138159Post **barks4eva** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:34pm

Another Grant Thomas stuff up and YES it was his call to draft Ball ahead of Judd!

Armoooo · Post: # 1138162Post **Armoooo** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:45pm

barks4eva wrote:Another Grant Thomas stuff up and YES it was his call to draft Ball ahead of Judd!

I agree, how could he not realise that Luke Ball would only be an elite midfielder for a very short period of time before his body completely gave up to him which would lead to him losing his pace and kicking penetration only to be asked to be traded to our main competitors for the 2010 flag...

Put yourself in the recruiters situation, they were both elite players with great pace and skill, Ball was a bit better with the grunt work and Judd had a bit more class. Ball had a clean bill of health and Judd was overcoming some serious shoulder issues.

Surely passing over Brian Lake was a bigger mistake?
Josh Houlihan over Dane Swan was a bigger mistake also?

Who's to say that Chris Judd would have even been the same player with us? chances are he would have just had to come up with another excuse for why he left us to go to Carlton... couldn't really use homesickness could he?

Ajer · Post: # 1138169Post **Ajer** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:51pm

Tough call. Both Ball and Judd are premiership players so are obviously doing something right.

Would love to have Juddy playing at the Saints but at the same time he annoys the s*** out of me too. He is arrogant, was announced captain at Carlton without even playing a game and he is a one man band over there at Carlton. Id be worried the same would happen if Judd was with Carlton.

Ball was an ok pick up, Xavier Clarke was the bad pick up if you ask me. Probably the worst top 5 draft pick of all time.

Armoooo · Post: # 1138176Post **Armoooo** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 3:57pm

Ajer wrote: Ball was an ok pick up, Xavier Clarke was the bad pick up if you ask me. Probably the worst top 5 draft pick of all time.

He looked like he was going to be an exceptional player until he was destroyed by injuries, you can't really blame that on the recruiters.

Also there have been may worse... in the years surrounding the draft we took Xavier clark there was

Luke Livingston
Andrew McDougall
Tim Walsh (1 game)

plugger66 · Post: # 1138195Post **plugger66** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 4:21pm

barks4eva wrote:Another Grant Thomas stuff up and YES it was his call to draft Ball ahead of Judd!

Why do you keep posting this LIE?

IluvHarvey · Wed 14 Sep 2011 4:25pm

skeptic wrote:
Armoooo wrote:If we really wanted to get into it...

We should have taken

Chris Judd (3) over Luke Ball (2)
Jimmy Bartel (8) over Xavier Clarke (5)
Sam Mitchell (36) over Matt Maguire (21)
Dane Swan (58) over Josh Houlihan (49)
Brian Lake (77) over PASS (67)
Nathan Bock (RD 25) over Josh Dicketts (RD 2)
Aaron Sandilands (RD 33) over Ben Schwarze (RD 18)
Ben Rutten (RD 40) over Chris Smith (RD 34)

That's just from one year as well....
God that's depressing

if we'd drafted right that year... fair to say we wouldn't have lost a game since 2005

one can always dream i guess

And we would have 3 full backs!!

stkildathunda · Wed 14 Sep 2011 4:27pm

Pretty sure we could have selected Ball at pick 5 because the 2 WA teams wanted the WA guys in Sampi & Polak but they couldnt let Judd go when he fell to them... But its good to dream

plugger66 · Post: # 1138204Post **plugger66** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 4:29pm

stkildathunda wrote:Pretty sure we could have selected Ball at pick 5 because the 2 WA teams wanted the WA guys in Sampi & Polak but they couldnt let Judd go when he fell to them... But its good to dream

100% correct. We rated Ball ahead of Judd but we were just about certain we would get both. We didnt count on WCE rating Judd as high as they did especially with the go home factor.

Saints 2012 · Wed 14 Sep 2011 5:26pm

what if's are a waste of time --- what if Milne had of actually run to the ball or made an effort to try and kick a goal instead of watching it bounce through for a point... how many times has Milne not made an attempt to kick a goal when the ball is 2 metres away from him and 1 metre away from goal???? never

he didn't even need to try and pick up the ball he could have gone for a soccer goal, why would you not make an effort to win the game & kick a goal when it was there for the taking???

plugger66 · Post: # 1138296Post **plugger66** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 5:27pm

Saints 2012 wrote:what if's are a waste of time --- what if Milne had of actually run to the ball or made an effort to try and kick a goal instead of watching it bounce through for a point... how many times has Milne not made an attempt to kick a goal when the ball is 2 metres away from him and 1 metre away from goal???? never

he didn't even need to try and pick up the ball he could have gone for a soccer goal, why would you not make an effort to win the game & kick a goal when it was there for the taking???

He was wrong footed. 2 metres may as well have been 20 metres. Anyway why are you talking about what ifs.

Armoooo · Post: # 1138309Post **Armoooo** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 5:41pm

plugger66 wrote:
Saints 2012 wrote:what if's are a waste of time --- what if Milne had of actually run to the ball or made an effort to try and kick a goal instead of watching it bounce through for a point... how many times has Milne not made an attempt to kick a goal when the ball is 2 metres away from him and 1 metre away from goal???? never

he didn't even need to try and pick up the ball he could have gone for a soccer goal, why would you not make an effort to win the game & kick a goal when it was there for the taking???
He was wrong footed. 2 metres may as well have been 20 metres. Anyway why are you talking about what ifs.

This myth makes me so angry, from one angle it looks like Milne pretty much had his hand on the ball, in reality if he could have gotten his hands on it he would have... it was just a deceptive camera angle...

stevie · Post: # 1138454Post **stevie** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 8:53pm

Is PASS Tommy Walsh's real name?

Con Gorozidis · Wed 14 Sep 2011 9:06pm

ralphsmith wrote:Had we drafted Judd instead of Ball.

This one is probably the ultimate what it fantasy.

I say we would have won 3 premierships.

A lazy 5

desertsaint · Wed 14 Sep 2011 9:09pm

if judd had tried the vulcan eye probe, the voltaran pressure point poke, or the borg elbow as a saint he'd still be suspended!

dragit · Post: # 1138471Post **dragit** » Wed 14 Sep 2011 9:25pm

If he played for us he would have been out suspended the whole time, after all he's filthier than Steven Bakerâ€¦

He then would have walked to Collingwood at pick 30, cause that's all he's worthâ€¦

Sainternist · Wed 14 Sep 2011 9:37pm

Knowing our luck we would probably still have ended up with none

How many flags with the Judd-Harvey-Hayes-Dal Santo midfield

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