What a chance blown...

[BigMart]

Hawthorn are shot....we have gone into the finals with 8 out of 10 wins...home ground advantage......against a team richmond beat three weeks ago...

Tactically inept performance in the three zones of the ground......but particularly the structure of the front half...

For thr sake of the players.....a change has to occur....the defensive stifle put on tjeir natural ability has made many of the players plateau

[One Eyed Saint]

I disagree and Ill explain why

If we scraped through for a win tonight everyone would have thought we are back on back and destined for greatness.

The reality is that our team structure and players and game plan are out of form, outdated and simply not good enough.

Losing tonight in the manner we did should create significant change in playing list, game plan structures and maybe even coach!

A team with a few guns, a few good players and the balance of recycled players and plodders was never going to be good enough.

Until our club can accept that reality we are never going to make the sort of change that will give us another premiership tilt.

[BigMart]

We were massive outsiders

But the longer you play in finals, the luckier you can get

Ask the adelaide fc

But saying that.....this will cause needed change

[Teflon]

Hawthorn are shot....we have gone into the finals with 8 out of 10 wins...home ground advantage......against a team richmond beat three weeks ago...

Tactically inept performance in the three zones of the ground......but particularly the structure of the front half...

For thr sake of the players.....a change has to occur....the defensive stifle put on tjeir natural ability has made many of the players plateau

Tonights loss had more to do with execution than what happened on the coaches box. As much as you like to portray the game as a master chess match where Ross just "pulls a leaver" and gets a response.........reality is far different. Players are human.

We are carrying to many "role" plodders with not enough skill - tonight that much was clear.

Game plan is fine.

Coach is good.

Executuion deplorable - and when you need a clutch goal......you should be able to look to your captain from 30 meteres out on slight angle....thats not the coach...

[Jacks Back]

Wouldn't it be good if one of our forwards could take a mark, go back, and kick a goal.

Fev looks good.

[BigMart]

Disagree teflon

Our fwd structure in the first and last quarter was disgraceful, and ross should be embarrased by his influence on the outcome of the game...

His starting set up was just like last years gf2 and just as effective, it actually helped the opposition

Qtr 3 he pulled the trigger and took the spares from behind the pill and allowed attacking players to run through the middle...

Then in the last qtr sydney again dictated terms with numbers back

[dcstkfc]

You always want to progress as far as possible. A chance blown indeed.

[bobmurray]

Wouldn't it be good if one of our forwards could take a mark, go back, and kick a goal.

Fev looks good.

Might pay to check that recruitment strategy out with our sponsors first though i would think

[rct63]

A chance blown?!
No, 1997 and 2009 were chances blown.
This year was just another jellyfish performance.
But that's been typical for 140 years so I don't know why some people seem surprised.

[Teflon]

Disagree teflon

Our fwd structure in the first and last quarter was disgraceful, and ross should be embarrased by his influence on the outcome of the game...

His starting set up was just like last years gf2 and just as effective, it actually helped the opposition

Qtr 3 he pulled the trigger and took the spares from behind the pill and allowed attacking players to run through the middle...

Then in the last qtr sydney again dictated terms with numbers back

Once again, simplistic "its all coaching" view.

I agree, Dempster fwd wasnt good but please, we lost this game on the back of some deplorable execution - when it mattered Sydney hit a target,......while we kicked the ball over our players heads....even handballs were off the mark often.

Check the clanger count - Montagna 8 innefective disposals, Riewoldt over half innefective, Jones gave the ball back often...sure got it a lot...handed it back a lot too, Polo.......thats the ball game right there.

I do question the quality Lyon has round him in coaching box I personally would like to see some changes there.

[Teflon]

You always want to progress as far as possible. A chance blown indeed.

We finished where we desrved to be - stop with the rose colored glasses.

I doubt wed have beaten a Buddy-less Hawks on the G with so much more run/youth than we have.

[BigMart]

Do you think sydney are a better team???......

They a possibly more good ordinary than us.....

And surely you agree teflon
The coach builds the list, picks the players and positions them.....

At one stage inside def 50

Geary to blake to geary to gilbert to dawson to clarke......turnover at d60

Another time

Dawson to jones to gilbert to polo turnover

[bigcarl]

Tactically inept performance in the three zones of the ground......but particularly the structure of the front half

What structure?

Puzzled as to why Walsh wasn't tried a few weeks ago. Should have rolled the dice.

[SainterK]

Saw nothing tonight that made me think we'd really impact the finals series BM, Sydney are the form team that may make a statement, Saints brave but spent.

So much of the predictions tonight were based on what if's rather than reality.

Brave, now lets bring on 2012.

[Teflon]

Do you think sydney are a better team???......

They a possibly more good ordinary than us.....

And surely you agree teflon
The coach builds the list, picks the players and positions them.....

At one stage inside def 50

Geary to blake to geary to gilbert to dawson to clarke......turnover at d60

Another time

Dawson to jones to gilbert to polo turnover

I think Sydney are an all round better skilled team than us and tonight backed that up.

Sure, we have more "so called stars" but we fall away to medicoerity far quicker.

Their kids in Reid, Spangher?, red head kid, jetta (who while he didnt play has shown something), are showing something. Sydney have a good blend at the moment.

Ross certainly has a hadn in list management - as does recruting staff.

Whats disturbing is your fanatacism that all problems stem from Ross Lyon with no accountability on players to execute?

[dcstkfc]

You always want to progress as far as possible. A chance blown indeed.

We finished where we desrved to be - stop with the rose colored glasses.

I doubt wed have beaten a Buddy-less Hawks on the G with so much more run/youth than we have.

A chance blown to progress. I for one want to do as well as possible. Didn't say we would win the flag.

[PJ]

Would like to see a change in forward coach - sorry adam times up.

[saintsRrising]

Do you think sydney are a better team???......

They a possibly more good ordinary than us.....

And surely you agree teflon
The coach builds the list, picks the players and positions them.....

At one stage inside def 50

Geary to blake to geary to gilbert to dawson to clarke......turnover at d60

Another time

Dawson to jones to gilbert to polo turnover

Blind Freddy could see that the Swans on average just kicked better and used the ball better than us.

i reckon at least 6 swans goals came from soft turnovers where we lost the bal from either shoddy kicks or really poor decisions.

It is one think too turnover under pressure...and quite another to just gift the ball away.


w simply have twoo nat players with poor skills...and in todays football that kills you, and it certainly did tonight.

Now I am not excusing Lyon either tonight as Longmire won the coaching battle.....as the Swans had more match ups that went their way.

But our disposal was shoddy...and was the biggest reason why we lost.

[BigMart]

But he has got a very similar group deep into sept....

On credentials and on paper, we had the better team.....they had 6 playing their first final and a few delisted gumbies....

They are a reasonable team.....

What did you think of our front half structure???

[kalsaint]

I disagree and Ill explain why

If we scraped through for a win tonight everyone would have thought we are back on back and destined for greatness.

The reality is that our team structure and players and game plan are out of form, outdated and simply not good enough.

Losing tonight in the manner we did should create significant change in playing list, game plan structures and maybe even coach!

A team with a few guns, a few good players and the balance of recycled players and plodders was never going to be good enough.

Until our club can accept that reality we are never going to make the sort of change that will give us another premiership tilt.

Bingo.

Without change results will remain the same or get worse as others develop and pass us. Note 2010 and 2011 as evidence.

[Spinner]

But he has got a very similar group deep into sept....

On credentials and on paper, we had the better team.....they had 6 playing their first final and a few delisted gumbies....

They are a reasonable team.....

What did you think of our front half structure???

Use the bloody quote button... Its simple forum posting etiquette.


Post like this when you have your own forum.

[bigcarl]

What did you think of our front half structure???

non existant

[Enrico_Misso]

But it is a chance blown.

Hawthorn looked shot last night.
And Collingwood just scraped in.
We could have made the prelim and maybe even knocked off the out of form Collingwood.

Though the pain of another GF loss the following week would be much much worse than the pain we are feeling now.

[borderbarry]

Can we get Terry Danaher back as Forward Coach? He did a great job under Thomas, and again as defensive coach.

[maverick]

But he has got a very similar group deep into sept....

On credentials and on paper, we had the better team.....they had 6 playing their first final and a few delisted gumbies....

They are a reasonable team.....

What did you think of our front half structure???

I think they are a better team all over the ground actually.
The fact that we got this far is down to the coach and the heart the club has created.