Only 7 weeks to AFL Exchange Period (Trade Week).

[borderbarry]

Bearing in mind that this is the 2nd badly compromised draft in a row, 2012 may be a better time to be making wholesale changes.

Players that may retire
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardner.

Players for trade.
Dawson
Gilbert
Gram
Jones

Delisting
Cahill
Heyne
Smith

Rookies.
Already lost Gaertner at start of season.
Walsh for promotion

Overall.
If we lose all three players to retirement, I cant see many being delisted this year. We will probably only pick up the mandatory three in the draft, and promote Walsh, so we only need 4 spots. So we should go all out and try and get one of the top two kids for 2012 in the GWS 4 x 17 yr old draft held during the trade period.

[matrix]

hmmm
i wonder who our experienced full back would become

[Dr Spaceman]

hmmm
i wonder who our experienced full back would become

Well clearly we're hoping to trade Dawson, Gilbert, Gram & Jones and pick up sufficient draft picks to enable us to wrestle Lake from the Bulldogs.

Of course we may have to chuck in our first and second round picks as well

[spert]

Bearing in mind that this is the 2nd badly compromised draft in a row, 2012 may be a better time to be making wholesale changes.

Players that may retire
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardner.

Players for trade.
Dawson
Gilbert
Gram
Jones

Delisting
Cahill
Heyne
Smith

Rookies.
Already lost Gaertner at start of season.
Walsh for promotion

Overall.
If we lose all three players to retirement, I cant see many being delisted this year. We will probably only pick up the mandatory three in the draft, and promote Walsh, so we only need 4 spots. So we should go all out and try and get one of the top two kids for 2012 in the GWS 4 x 17 yr old draft held during the trade period.

Zac and Jones have done pretty well this season- and Zac is a good finals performer- what games have you been watching?

[Cairnsman]

It's going to be one of the most anticipated trade periods for a while.

We'll get a real feel for where RL and the club think we are at.

2012 will give more insight into where the window is at and who is still on the bus.

[Animal Enclosure]

It's going to be one of the most anticipated trade periods for a while.

We'll get a real feel for where RL and the club think we are at.

2012 will give more insight into where the window is at and who is still on the bus.

I reckon we see some serious wheeling & dealing.

While this years draft is 'shallow', GWS still have the 17 year olds that will be auctioned off to the highest bidder, with a few of them thought to be top 10 picks in the 2012 draft (which is said to be a corker).

IF Ross & Pelchen have decided that it's time to clear the decks & start again, the introduction of GWS is a great opportunity to get a crop of talented kids in. The disarray that Port & Melbourne are in also may provided some opportunity to get some talent into the club.

[shmic_s]

No way would we trade Gilbert would we?!
In the age group that we are missing players. Can't afford to loose anyone around the 23-25 age bracket IMO.
Dawson we need to keep also, Blake not getting any younger.

[borderbarry]

Well clearly we're hoping to trade Dawson, Gilbert, Gram & Jones and pick up sufficient draft picks to enable us to wrestle Lake from the Bulldogs.

No. Hoping to trade Dawson, Gilbert, Gram OR Jones. To gain one of the 4 kids mentioned above and maybe a high draft pick. Not trade all of them. As I said, we only need 4 vacant spots, so if the three retire we only can trade one. Get with the program you blokes.

[Old Mate]

There are some absolute guns coming through in this years draft. GWS has the top three with Patton and Coniglio being the likey top 2

Then there is the mini draft which will have O'Meara probably at number 1 and who is likened to D Swallow And Scully.

GWS will have to on-trade the players from the mini draft so team may be able to pay unders for them.

[Old Mate]

Well clearly we're hoping to trade Dawson, Gilbert, Gram & Jones and pick up sufficient draft picks to enable us to wrestle Lake from the Bulldogs.

No. Hoping to trade Dawson, Gilbert, Gram OR Jones. To gain one of the 4 kids mentioned above and maybe a high draft pick. Not trade all of them. As I said, we only need 4 vacant spots, so if the three retire we only can trade one. Get with the program you blokes.

To get the deal done we're going to have to put a big name on the table like Goddard. Worthless trade if you think our window is still open however if you think we should reload for the next 3-4 years then that trade could pay wonders (2 x first rounders from 2011 draft plus pick 1 in the mini draft). Goddard and Pendlebury are still GWS's main targets even know they're contracted.

[joffaboy]

Good time to get Pelchen into the club.

Wouldn't be suprised whatever way he and RL decide to take us.

We may be in for a major upheaval or a tweak with one omore shot at a flag.

If we go for the major rebuild, Roo, bj, Fisher, Dal, and Lenny wont be part of the next flag tilt.

Do we trade some of the quality off if this is the case?

Do we have a final crack and see bj off to GWS after next season for example, or do we continue along the lines of the recycled player?

Interesting time ahead.

[Old Mate]

Good time to get Pelchen into the club.

Wouldn't be suprised whatever way he and RL decide to take us.

We may be in for a major upheaval or a tweak with one omore shot at a flag.

If we go for the major rebuild, Roo, bj, Fisher, Dal, and Lenny wont be part of the next flag tilt.

Do we trade some of the quality off if this is the case?

Do we have a final crack and see bj off to GWS after next season for example, or do we continue along the lines of the recycled player?

Interesting time ahead.

If nothing else, change is exciting....

The last comment about seeing off BJ before he goes to GWS.....by that time he will be a free agent. I still haven't got my head around that concept. Do we know how the compensation (if any) works...? Or do we just lose players in those circumstances for nothing...?

[Little Dozer]

Good time to get Pelchen into the club.

Wouldn't be suprised whatever way he and RL decide to take us.

We may be in for a major upheaval or a tweak with one omore shot at a flag.

If we go for the major rebuild, Roo, bj, Fisher, Dal, and Lenny wont be part of the next flag tilt.

Do we trade some of the quality off if this is the case?

Do we have a final crack and see bj off to GWS after next season for example, or do we continue along the lines of the recycled player?

Interesting time ahead.

If nothing else, change is exciting....

The last comment about seeing off BJ before he goes to GWS.....by that time he will be a free agent. I still haven't got my head around that concept. Do we know how the compensation (if any) works...? Or do we just lose players in those circumstances for nothing...?

We'd receive nothing. I follow the NBA closely and players up and leave regularly once they become free agents.

[Con Gorozidis]

We should definitely score a good player in this weeks trade player after "we taught people a lesson" in the 2009 trade period by playing hard ball with luke ball (yes the same guy we spent all 2009 telling the football world wasnt a good player).

based on many people on SS's logic because we showed "we would not be pushed around" an excellent player will fall in our lap this year for sure!. awesome!

[matrix]

put em all up for trade

see what we get offered

[Beno88]

I see only four players on our list that are potentially tradable that are not 100% required players for 2012.

Our list fits into five categories.

REQUIRED PLAYERS
Lenny Hayes
Nick Riewoldt
Brendon Goddard
Sam Fisher
Stephen Milne
Leigh Montagna
Nick Dal Santo
Ben McEvoy
Zac Dawson
Sam Gilbert
Adam Schneider
James Gwilt
Sean Dempster
Clint Jones
Brett Peake
Farren Ray
Jack Steven
Jamie Cripps
Arryn Siposs
Sam Crocker
Tom Ledger

UNPROVEN ROOKIES
Daniel Archer
Thomas Curren
Jackson Ferguson
Warrick Andreoli

RETAIN BUT MUST IMPROVE IN 2012
David Armitage
Tom Lynch
Rhys Stanley
Tom Simpkin
Ryan Gamble
Nicholas Winmar
Dean Polo

TRADABLE
Jason Gram
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryn Geary
Raphael Clarke

RETIRE/DELIST
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardiner
Andrew McQualter
Robert Eddy
Paul Cahill
Will Johnson
Alistair Smith
Nick Heyne

[plugger66]

I see only four players on our list that are potentially tradable that are not 100% required players for 2012.

Our list fits into five categories.

REQUIRED PLAYERS
Lenny Hayes
Nick Riewoldt
Brendon Goddard
Sam Fisher
Stephen Milne
Leigh Montagna
Nick Dal Santo
Ben McEvoy
Zac Dawson
Sam Gilbert
Adam Schneider
James Gwilt
Sean Dempster
Clint Jones
Brett Peake
Farren Ray
Jack Steven
Jamie Cripps
Arryn Siposs
Sam Crocker
Tom Ledger

UNPROVEN ROOKIES
Daniel Archer
Thomas Curren
Jackson Ferguson
Warrick Andreoli

RETAIN BUT MUST IMPROVE IN 2012
David Armitage
Tom Lynch
Rhys Stanley
Tom Simpkin
Ryan Gamble
Nicholas Winmar
Dean Polo

TRADABLE
Jason Gram
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryn Geary
Raphael Clarke

RETIRE/DELIST
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardiner
Andrew McQualter
Robert Eddy
Paul Cahill
Will Johnson
Alistair Smith
Nick Heyne

This is where the problem is. Those players you mentioned for trading wouldnt be wanted by any other club so we get nothing for them and then whinge we didnt trade hard enough. We either get rid of stars and rebuild ot dont trade at all. I prefer the dont trade at all approach for next season at least.

[SaintPav]

We should definitely score a good player in this weeks trade player after "we taught people a lesson" in the 2009 trade period by playing hard ball with luke ball (yes the same guy we spent all 2009 telling the football world wasnt a good player).

based on many people on SS's logic because we showed "we would not be pushed around" an excellent player will fall in our lap this year for sure!. awesome!

You have all the answers Con. Sounds like you were right there at trade week. Were you a leg or a chair FFS?

[SaintPav]

I see only four players on our list that are potentially tradable that are not 100% required players for 2012.

Our list fits into five categories.

REQUIRED PLAYERS
Lenny Hayes
Nick Riewoldt
Brendon Goddard
Sam Fisher
Stephen Milne
Leigh Montagna
Nick Dal Santo
Ben McEvoy
Zac Dawson
Sam Gilbert
Adam Schneider
James Gwilt
Sean Dempster
Clint Jones
Brett Peake
Farren Ray
Jack Steven
Jamie Cripps
Arryn Siposs
Sam Crocker
Tom Ledger

UNPROVEN ROOKIES
Daniel Archer
Thomas Curren
Jackson Ferguson
Warrick Andreoli

RETAIN BUT MUST IMPROVE IN 2012
David Armitage
Tom Lynch
Rhys Stanley
Tom Simpkin
Ryan Gamble
Nicholas Winmar
Dean Polo

TRADABLE
Jason Gram
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryn Geary
Raphael Clarke

RETIRE/DELIST
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardiner
Andrew McQualter
Robert Eddy
Paul Cahill
Will Johnson
Alistair Smith
Nick Heyne

This is where the problem is. Those players you mentioned for trading wouldnt be wanted by any other club so we get nothing for them and then whinge we didnt trade hard enough. We either get rid of stars and rebuild ot dont trade at all. I prefer the dont trade at all approach for next season at least.

Sad but true.

[gringo]

About the only reason to trade any of them would be to pick up Patton who is from a Saints family and will be the next Riewoldt. He will go number one so would be unlikely to get pick one for all of them put together.

[bobmurray]

You trade shite you get the same back......except if Pelchen is pulling the strings

[bergsone]

L.montagna,29 tradeable? just thought I would throw that out there.

[Bernard Shakey]

I see only four players on our list that are potentially tradable that are not 100% required players for 2012.

Our list fits into five categories.

REQUIRED PLAYERS
Lenny Hayes
Nick Riewoldt
Brendon Goddard
Sam Fisher
Stephen Milne
Leigh Montagna
Nick Dal Santo
Ben McEvoy
Zac Dawson
Sam Gilbert
Adam Schneider
James Gwilt
Sean Dempster
Clint Jones
Brett Peake
Farren Ray
Jack Steven
Jamie Cripps
Arryn Siposs
Sam Crocker
Tom Ledger

UNPROVEN ROOKIES
Daniel Archer
Thomas Curren
Jackson Ferguson
Warrick Andreoli

RETAIN BUT MUST IMPROVE IN 2012
David Armitage
Tom Lynch
Rhys Stanley
Tom Simpkin
Ryan Gamble
Nicholas Winmar
Dean Polo

TRADABLE
Jason Gram
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryn Geary
Raphael Clarke

RETIRE/DELIST
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardiner
Andrew McQualter
Robert Eddy
Paul Cahill
Will Johnson
Alistair Smith
Nick Heyne

There are 46 on our list. Why did you name 45 and leave out Tommy Walsh?

[thejiggingsaint]

Anything to stop him getting a game this week?

[Beno88]

I see only four players on our list that are potentially tradable that are not 100% required players for 2012.

Our list fits into five categories.

REQUIRED PLAYERS
Lenny Hayes
Nick Riewoldt
Brendon Goddard
Sam Fisher
Stephen Milne
Leigh Montagna
Nick Dal Santo
Ben McEvoy
Zac Dawson
Sam Gilbert
Adam Schneider
James Gwilt
Sean Dempster
Clint Jones
Brett Peake
Farren Ray
Jack Steven
Jamie Cripps
Arryn Siposs
Sam Crocker
Tom Ledger

UNPROVEN ROOKIES
Daniel Archer
Thomas Curren
Jackson Ferguson
Warrick Andreoli

RETAIN BUT MUST IMPROVE IN 2012
David Armitage
Tom Lynch
Rhys Stanley
Tom Simpkin
Ryan Gamble
Nicholas Winmar
Dean Polo

TRADABLE
Jason Gram
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryn Geary
Raphael Clarke

RETIRE/DELIST
Steven Baker
Jason Blake
Michael Gardiner
Andrew McQualter
Robert Eddy
Paul Cahill
Will Johnson
Alistair Smith
Nick Heyne

There are 46 on our list. Why did you name 45 and leave out Tommy Walsh?

Well picked up, I knew I'd forget someone. Walsh should be retained.