St Kilda moves to keep Lyon

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This is how I reckon a recent telephone conversation would have gone..

Adelaide official: Hello Rossy

RL: Hi Adelaide official

AO: Just thought I'd call to see if you were happy

RL: Yeah it's all good. The off season was a bit bumpy and the first half of this season hasn't been flash.

AO: So you're happy?

RL: Yep

AO: No probs Rossy just thought I'd ring to see if everthing was ok.

RL: Thanks for the call. It is very much appreciated. (hang up)

Ross's next conversation could have been with Westy and Nettlefold to let them know about the enquiry.


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Post: # 1111611Post Junction Oval »

That's probably exactly what happened (or similar), Cairnsman. Perhaps even a couple more incoming calls !


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Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
We've actually had good coaches but ordinary players & even worse boards!


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Animal Enclosure wrote:
Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
We've actually had good coaches but ordinary players & even worse boards!
Are you talking about the St Kilda Board of Directors or saintsational.com? :wink:


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Junction Oval wrote:I agree Eastern, it would have been better to keep things quiet until all is settled and then make the big announcement.

However, coming as a statement from Michael Nettlefold, it's obviously a planned strategy - perhaps to keep the wolves away, so to speak.

The media will now start buzzing with speculation such as "when will it be signed," "problems in settling Lyon's contact" and other idiotic comments.
not necesarily an announcment from Michael But may have been in response to a question.


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this is the current statistical status of current coaches.
http://afl.allthestats.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=60


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Wow, another great get Bratty, with Craig now gone Lyon moves to 5th amongst current coaches for games coached.

Just goes to show what a ruthless business it is.


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Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
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InkerSaint wrote:Wow, another great get Bratty, with Craig now gone Lyon moves to 5th amongst current coaches for games coached.

Just goes to show what a ruthless business it is.
Interesting to me is the comparison figures for Lyon and Harvey.
IIRC Harvey refused to be interviewed for the Saints job adn instead waited another year before getting teh Freo gig.

The Saints under Lyon seem to have fared better than Freo under Harvey (albeit neither side has won a flag).


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sheedy was at Essendon for 20 years an won 4 flags. if Rossy can deliver that i'd be very happy with that


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attila_Siposs wrote:sheedy was at Essendon for 20 years an won 4 flags. if Rossy can deliver that i'd be very happy with that
especially with your boy playing in all 4! :)


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Mr Magic wrote:
attila_Siposs wrote:sheedy was at Essendon for 20 years an won 4 flags. if Rossy can deliver that i'd be very happy with that
especially with your boy playing in all 4! :)
That would be tough. He would have to play until he was 39.


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plugger66 wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
attila_Siposs wrote:sheedy was at Essendon for 20 years an won 4 flags. if Rossy can deliver that i'd be very happy with that
especially with your boy playing in all 4! :)
That would be tough. He would have to play until he was 39.
Who said they have to be evenly spaced over the 20 year period?

Maybe we could win 4 in a row????


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Post: # 1111756Post saintbrat »

Ross's record over the complete list of coaches stacks up quite well
http://afl.allthestats.com/index.php?op ... qry=1&pg=2

only 5 coaches who have coached over 100 games ( so more than one - 4 years ) with better averages
Hafey, Hughes, McHale, Reynolds, Pianto and Coleman

with Ross coming in 37th.


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Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
Was the list really that good.

Peckett and Powell were finished. Hamil and Goose were finished. Gehrig, Voss and Thompson had one more year left. Kosi has developed into half the player we all thought he was going be, Ball had a wrecked groin and never recaptured his 05 All Australian form, X could never stay on the park, Raph doesn't justify his top ten pick, no quality ruckman.

That leaves a core of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher as our top six (if you count Milne as A-grade, that's a top seven). Beneath that are good, solid B graders at best.

Really, I think the list was over-rated by 06.

He didn't exactly inherit what Chris Scott has.


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Mr Magic wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
attila_Siposs wrote:sheedy was at Essendon for 20 years an won 4 flags. if Rossy can deliver that i'd be very happy with that
especially with your boy playing in all 4! :)
That would be tough. He would have to play until he was 39.
Who said they have to be evenly spaced over the 20 year period?

Maybe we could win 4 in a row????
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Post: # 1111772Post Dr Spaceman »

Mr Magic wrote:
attila_Siposs wrote:sheedy was at Essendon for 20 years an won 4 flags. if Rossy can deliver that i'd be very happy with that
especially with your boy playing in all 4! :)
And that would surely put Ross in line for coach of the TOTC :)







As long as he's got a pulse of course :wink:


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SydneySainter wrote:
Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
Was the list really that good.

Peckett and Powell were finished. Hamil and Goose were finished. Gehrig, Voss and Thompson had one more year left. Kosi has developed into half the player we all thought he was going be, Ball had a wrecked groin and never recaptured his 05 All Australian form, X could never stay on the park, Raph doesn't justify his top ten pick, no quality ruckman.

That leaves a core of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher as our top six (if you count Milne as A-grade, that's a top seven). Beneath that are good, solid B graders at best.

Really, I think the list was over-rated by 06.

He didn't exactly inherit what Chris Scott has.
Exactly, it was a very unbalanced list, 6-8 true a-graders, not many b's though, whereas geelong had similar a's but then some really solid b-grade players - & nearly all had decent footskills…

I don't like to bag individuals, but our bottom six for a number of years would have been one of the worst of any finals contenders… Just makes Lyon seem brilliant in my mind.


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Post: # 1111782Post BigMart »

As i stated in another thread

I would sew him up until 2015

I cannot see a better prospect in that time.....available or not


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dragit wrote:
SydneySainter wrote:
Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
Was the list really that good.

Peckett and Powell were finished. Hamil and Goose were finished. Gehrig, Voss and Thompson had one more year left. Kosi has developed into half the player we all thought he was going be, Ball had a wrecked groin and never recaptured his 05 All Australian form, X could never stay on the park, Raph doesn't justify his top ten pick, no quality ruckman.

That leaves a core of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher as our top six (if you count Milne as A-grade, that's a top seven). Beneath that are good, solid B graders at best.

Really, I think the list was over-rated by 06.

He didn't exactly inherit what Chris Scott has.
Exactly, it was a very unbalanced list, 6-8 true a-graders, not many b's though, whereas geelong had similar a's but then some really solid b-grade players - & nearly all had decent footskills…

I don't like to bag individuals, but our bottom six for a number of years would have been one of the worst of any finals contenders… Just makes Lyon seem brilliant in my mind.
But come on, inheriting a 'top 6' of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher is pretty formiddable!
There was also Gwilt, Milne, Gilbert, Kosi and Gram!

So although the list had lost balance in terms of the age/experience demographic, it was still very good.
And on top of that, pretty much all of those guys hadn't hit their prime yet in terms of their physical maturity. So they were all going to get better.


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Here, here great news!


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great news imo and great coach


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Ross is the right coach for us. I am a big fan, and would be very angry if we let him go.


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Johnny Member wrote:
dragit wrote:
SydneySainter wrote:
Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
Was the list really that good.

Peckett and Powell were finished. Hamil and Goose were finished. Gehrig, Voss and Thompson had one more year left. Kosi has developed into half the player we all thought he was going be, Ball had a wrecked groin and never recaptured his 05 All Australian form, X could never stay on the park, Raph doesn't justify his top ten pick, no quality ruckman.

That leaves a core of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher as our top six (if you count Milne as A-grade, that's a top seven). Beneath that are good, solid B graders at best.

Really, I think the list was over-rated by 06.

He didn't exactly inherit what Chris Scott has.
Exactly, it was a very unbalanced list, 6-8 true a-graders, not many b's though, whereas geelong had similar a's but then some really solid b-grade players - & nearly all had decent footskills…

I don't like to bag individuals, but our bottom six for a number of years would have been one of the worst of any finals contenders… Just makes Lyon seem brilliant in my mind.
But come on, inheriting a 'top 6' of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher is pretty formiddable!
There was also Gwilt, Milne, Gilbert, Kosi and Gram!

So although the list had lost balance in terms of the age/experience demographic, it was still very good.
And on top of that, pretty much all of those guys hadn't hit their prime yet in terms of their physical maturity. So they were all going to get better.
Agreed, a great top 6, but overall, thin on depth.

Not what I would call 'arguably inheriting the best list in the comp' which is what plenty of Lyon critics have previously said.


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SydneySainter wrote:
Johnny Member wrote:
dragit wrote:
SydneySainter wrote:
Zac Attack wrote:As much as I really like Ross the Boss he is slightly over-rated on this forum probably due to our history of some really shithouse coaches.

Ross inherited a list/core group of players that were always going to be in the top 4 teams for a good few years. Now is his major challenge of finding a few more players to add to the core to give us a real shot again at the flag that we have come so close to.
Was the list really that good.

Peckett and Powell were finished. Hamil and Goose were finished. Gehrig, Voss and Thompson had one more year left. Kosi has developed into half the player we all thought he was going be, Ball had a wrecked groin and never recaptured his 05 All Australian form, X could never stay on the park, Raph doesn't justify his top ten pick, no quality ruckman.

That leaves a core of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher as our top six (if you count Milne as A-grade, that's a top seven). Beneath that are good, solid B graders at best.

Really, I think the list was over-rated by 06.

He didn't exactly inherit what Chris Scott has.
Exactly, it was a very unbalanced list, 6-8 true a-graders, not many b's though, whereas geelong had similar a's but then some really solid b-grade players - & nearly all had decent footskills…

I don't like to bag individuals, but our bottom six for a number of years would have been one of the worst of any finals contenders… Just makes Lyon seem brilliant in my mind.
But come on, inheriting a 'top 6' of Joey, Dal, Roo, BJ, Lenny and Fisher is pretty formiddable!
There was also Gwilt, Milne, Gilbert, Kosi and Gram!

So although the list had lost balance in terms of the age/experience demographic, it was still very good.
And on top of that, pretty much all of those guys hadn't hit their prime yet in terms of their physical maturity. So they were all going to get better.
Agreed, a great top 6, but overall, thin on depth.

Not what I would call 'arguably inheriting the best list in the comp' which is what plenty of Lyon critics have previously said.
Getting to multiple GF's with Blake, Baker, Dawson, Eddy, Jones, Clarke, McQualter & Dempster is pretty amazing, love them all but, that's 8 guys who don't really want the footy in their hands and have pretty serious problems with disposal, then throw in Ray, Gram, Gilbert and Kosi who can be temprimental too… a lot went right for us to get so far IMO.


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