Player caught betting on team mate to kick first goal...

[plugger66]

The public should be told how many bets were made on Maxwell to kick the first goal through the TAB. Eddie everywhere said "It does not take many bets to get the odds down from 100 - 1 to 25 - 1". We now know Maxwell is talking bulldust when it has come out in today's paper that the family members that lodged bets were his brother and Mother in-law. Brother i can understand, but who tells there Mother in-law anything.

Shaw deserves everything he got. What a Richard Cranium to be in the TAB when the bet was lodged.

It may not take many bets if they are betting a lot of money. But they said yesterday it was $20 from heath and $85 from maxwell's family. So I agree we havent been told the full story there. Would $105 of bets be enough to bring the odds in from $101 to $25?

Also Maxwell said he went home and discussed it with his family as he does every week. So who lives in his "family". I thought he was married with a kid. but seems his brother was there and his mother in law. Either there was a big family gathering or word travelled like wildfire that he was playing up forward.
Still seems strange that at least 3 people all thought the same thing, get on for first goal even though the story is that he just said he is starting up forward.

What "captain" would go home and divulge information to their family members. Tom Harley said he certainly wouldnt

Dr Turf said on SEN yesterday that $100 would certainly be enough to get those odds down as hardly any bets are taken on that type of bet and that is why it caught the attention of the bookies. Harley mightnt tell his family but if Maxwell did it every week since playing footy surely it wouldnt change because he is captain. I have a mate who played for the Saints who told his family everything before every game. I dont see anything unusual with that. Also his wife could easily be talking to her mum or dad and just said as a passing comment that Maxwell has to play forward this week. Again nothing unusual about that.

What are you actually saying happened. I would be interested to know.

[plugger66]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

I don't there is a charge in Australia yet. But it won't be far away.

So he shouldnt be charged?

[Johnny Member]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

I don't there is a charge in Australia yet. But it won't be far away.

So he shouldnt be charged?

He should be looking down the barrell. As I said.

Meaning, if there was a charge (which seems to be pretty close to happening with a 10 year jail term if found guilty) he'd be very lucky not to be charged.

[Zac Attack]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

I don't there is a charge in Australia yet. But it won't be far away.

So he shouldnt be charged?

He should be looking down the barrell. As I said.

Meaning, if there was a charge (which seems to be pretty close to happening with a 10 year jail term if found guilty) he'd be very lucky not to be charged.

This is insider trading at it's finest. He should be charged given his usage of information for financial gain.

[plugger66]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

I don't there is a charge in Australia yet. But it won't be far away.

So he shouldnt be charged?

He should be looking down the barrell. As I said.

Meaning, if there was a charge (which seems to be pretty close to happening with a 10 year jail term if found guilty) he'd be very lucky not to be charged.

This is insider trading at it's finest. He should be charged given his usage of information for financial gain.

Good luck with that.

[Old Mate]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

obtain financial advantage by deception

[plugger66]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

obtain financial advantage by deception

Who did he deceive?

[mullet]

Is this the game where Shaw and Maxwell were seen arguing at one of the breaks.

Perhaps we now know what they were arguing about.

[Old Mate]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

obtain financial advantage by deception

Who did he deceive?

Your mum

[plugger66]

Is this the game where Shaw and Maxwell were seen arguing at one of the breaks.

Perhaps we now know what they were arguing about.

Yes it was for sure.

[Mr Magic]

I'm not a lawyer so my opinion is purely that of a 'lay person'.

By placing the bet based on knowledge that neither the betting agency or the general public was aware of (or could have been aware of) they attempted to gain a 'financial advantage'.

At the very least they attempted to gain advantageous odds on an event through their 'inside knowledge'.

Directors of a public company are barred from using their 'inside knowledge' of what is happening to make a financial gain.

There was (still is?) a police investigation into how some people placed bets on the Melbourne Storm finishing last before the 'shyte hit the fan with ther salary cap rorting'. Again 'inside knowledge' is suspected.

I suppose they (Shaw, Maxwell's family) could be 'charged' with something under those rules?

What charges are the police looking at for NRL player Ryan Tandy?

[plugger66]

I'm not a lawyer so my opinion is purely that of a 'lay person'.

By placing the bet based on knowledge that neither the betting agency or the general public was aware of (or could have been aware of) they attempted to gain a 'financial advantage'.

At the very least they attempted to gain advantageous odds on an event through their 'inside knowledge'.

Directors of a public company are barred from using their 'inside knowledge' of what is happening to make a financial gain.

There was (still is?) a police investigation into how some people placed bets on the Melbourne Storm finishing last before the 'shyte hit the fan with ther salary cap rorting'. Again 'inside knowledge' is suspected.

I suppose they (Shaw, Maxwell's family) could be 'charged' with something under those rules?

What charges are the police looking at for NRL player Ryan Tandy?

So what if you know your horse is breaking track records in gallops before a race. Should they tell the bookies?

[saint tash]

All I can say is.......

This thread is gold.

Oh and are WE, yes WE playing this weekend?

Who would have thought with two threads involving the filth in the top 3-4 at the minute.

Go figure!

[Zac Attack]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

obtain financial advantage by deception

Who did he deceive?

the marketplace by using his acquired information for financial gain.

[plugger66]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

obtain financial advantage by deception

Who did he deceive?

the marketplace by using his acquired information for financial gain.

Unless I am mistaken he got no financial advantage.

[saint tash]

Shaw should be looking down the barrell of a criminal charge.


If Shaw is running towards goal, and sees Maxwell and Cloke - who's he going to kick it to?
What if he has a chance himself to kick at goal, but sees Maxwell?

Betting on 1st Goal can influence the result of a game, and the penalty should be treated as such.


This is far more serious than people are making out I reckon.

Can I ask what the charge should be?

obtain financial advantage by deception

Who did he deceive?

the marketplace by using his acquired information for financial gain.

Wrong. I'd be confident to say that there would be no definition of "marketplace" under the Crimes Act, thus would eliminate one of the points of proof for proving the offence of obtain financial advantage by deception.


Next.....

[stkildathunda]

Is this the game where Shaw and Maxwell were seen arguing at one of the breaks.

Perhaps we now know what they were arguing about.

Yes it was for sure.

Nope that was 1 week later in round 10 against the Eagles.

[Iceman234]

Well I hardly slept last night after hearing Harley and Lethal on #7 and weighing up who I should believe.

Matthews 332 games as a player, 442 as coach and umpteen premierships.

Harley 198 games and dual Premiership captain.

Plugger66 20k + posts at almost 13 per day and knows 20 AFL footballers who all (100% of them) tell him stuff.

I don't see Lethal and Tom here posting those gems so I'm going with plugger66 because he has one of our past greats in his nic.

[Mr Magic]

I'm not a lawyer so my opinion is purely that of a 'lay person'.

By placing the bet based on knowledge that neither the betting agency or the general public was aware of (or could have been aware of) they attempted to gain a 'financial advantage'.

At the very least they attempted to gain advantageous odds on an event through their 'inside knowledge'.

Directors of a public company are barred from using their 'inside knowledge' of what is happening to make a financial gain.

There was (still is?) a police investigation into how some people placed bets on the Melbourne Storm finishing last before the 'shyte hit the fan with ther salary cap rorting'. Again 'inside knowledge' is suspected.

I suppose they (Shaw, Maxwell's family) could be 'charged' with something under those rules?

What charges are the police looking at for NRL player Ryan Tandy?

So what if you know your horse is breaking track records in gallops before a race. Should they tell the bookies?

No, apparently according to the rules of horse racing that is ok.

According to the rules regarding sharetrading it is illegal to use 'insider knowlegdge' for financila gain.

In the rules of AFL and NRL it is illegal for players to bet on football.
According to the Maxwel penalty yesterday it is also illegal to pass on 'inside information' to others to use.

That 'ruling' is actually quite interesting.
How widely does that 'barring' spread?

If a 'forward scout' from a Club notices that Reiwoldt (for argument's sake) is injured and unlikely to play, even though the Club picks him, can he tell someone who might use that information to place a bet on Saints opponents at much higher odds than if it was public knowledge that Reiwoldt was not playing?

[plugger66]

I'm not a lawyer so my opinion is purely that of a 'lay person'.

By placing the bet based on knowledge that neither the betting agency or the general public was aware of (or could have been aware of) they attempted to gain a 'financial advantage'.

At the very least they attempted to gain advantageous odds on an event through their 'inside knowledge'.

Directors of a public company are barred from using their 'inside knowledge' of what is happening to make a financial gain.

There was (still is?) a police investigation into how some people placed bets on the Melbourne Storm finishing last before the 'shyte hit the fan with ther salary cap rorting'. Again 'inside knowledge' is suspected.

I suppose they (Shaw, Maxwell's family) could be 'charged' with something under those rules?

What charges are the police looking at for NRL player Ryan Tandy?

So what if you know your horse is breaking track records in gallops before a race. Should they tell the bookies?

No, apparently according to the rules of horse racing that is ok.

According to the rules regarding sharetrading it is illegal to use 'insider knowlegdge' for financila gain.

In the rules of AFL and NRL it is illegal for players to bet on football.
According to the Maxwel penalty yesterday it is also illegal to pass on 'inside information' to others to use.

That 'ruling' is actually quite interesting.
How widely does that 'barring' spread?

If a 'forward scout' from a Club notices that Reiwoldt (for argument's sake) is injured and unlikely to play, even though the Club picks him, can he tell someone who might use that information to place a bet on Saints opponents at much higher odds than if it was public knowledge that Reiwoldt was not playing?

It isnt actually illegal to pass information on to others but you must tell you not to use it for financial gain which I would guess hardly anyone would do. Also you were the one who brought up the law so yes Maxwell and Shaw have broken AFL rules but I cant possibly see what law they have broken.

[mullet]

Would have Maxwell got away with it if his family members had of just gone in to the local tab to place the bet rather than opening up a betting account for the bet?

[plugger66]

Would have Maxwell got away with it if his family members had of just gone in to the local tab to place the bet rather than opening up a betting account for the bet?

I would have thought so unless they could trace the bet back to Maxwell which would be just about impossible unless of course the person at the TAB knew the people betting were related to him.

[Mr Magic]

Would have Maxwell got away with it if his family members had of just gone in to the local tab to place the bet rather than opening up a betting account for the bet?

I would have thought so unless they could trace the bet back to Maxwell which would be just about impossible unless of course the person at the TAB knew the people betting were related to him.

Agreed.
I just wonder how prevalent this sort of thing actually is?

On the face of it, if you believe Maxwell's account, his penalty of $10,000 fine seems very excessive.

[stkildathunda]

Could be more on its way: http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/artic ... g-plunges/

MORE AFL investigations into suspicious betting activity involving Brisbane and Hawthorn games earlier this season is still ongoing, operations boss Adrian Anderson has confirmed.

He did not reveal which games were involved, although previous reports have pinpointed the Round 7 game with Gold Coast where defender Daniel Merrett’s odds on kicking the first goal tumbled.
Neither would Anderson speculate on possible penalties

On the same weekend with the Hawks playing Port Adelaide, Guerra was backed from $101 to $26.

And Maguire firmed from $101 to $26 to kick the first goal against Essendon in Round 8.

[barks4eva]

Here's the thing for me, according to the lead article in 'The Age',

"The Saturday Age understands McGuire worked hard to reduce Shaw's suspension from being a season-ending one."

Since when do club presidents get involved in negotiating the length of AFL suspensions?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/i ... 1hicw.html

Exactly!

''I am horrified that this has happened to our football club,'' he said, praising and co-operating with the AFL. The Saturday Age understands McGuire worked hard to reduce Shaw's suspension from being a season-ending one.

I suppose it helps when your mates with the AFL CEO!

AND when Demetriou gives himself bonuses based on attendances directly related to providing Collingwood with whatever home and away season FIXture they dream up.

Absolute feather duster and wet lettuce to a player knowingly compromising a betting market.

8 weeks, what a joke, should have been 20!

6 weeks suspended

WTF is that, the bit Eddie worked on I'm betting!

Can they open a market on that, FAIR DINKUM

Since when does a Club president negotiate penalties handed down.

Baker would have got an entire season.

But because it's Eddie wood the AFL go soft.

They talk the talk about no betting on games blah, blah, blah, but as soon as a Collingwood player breaks the rule the penalty dished out is a slap on the wrist.

Absolute disgrace.