Court case

Eastern · Post: # 1103213Post **Eastern** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:14pm

Spinner wrote:Can anyone watch the court case? Tried looking on the net hub had no luck.

As far as I know the County Court is an OPEN Court, meaning that there is a public gallery. There will be heaps of media interest in this case so the public gallery will probably be FULL of media types. Not sure about streaming !!

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103226Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:24pm

Eastern wrote:
Spinner wrote:Can anyone watch the court case? Tried looking on the net hub had no luck.
As far as I know the County Court is an OPEN Court, meaning that there is a public gallery. There will be heaps of media interest in this case so the public gallery will probably be FULL of media types. Not sure about streaming !!

It will be a sad day when rape trials become public entertainment.

dragit · Post: # 1103227Post **dragit** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:26pm

Judge Judy is flying over especially.

St. Luke · Post: # 1103228Post **St. Luke** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:27pm

Supposedly he's stated a "Not guilty" plea. It's going to get messy

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103231Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:29pm

St. Luke wrote:Supposedly he's stated a "Not guilty" plea. It's going to get messy

Supposedly?????

Seems pretty definate to me from both newspaper sites.

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103234Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:34pm

Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.

joffaboy · Post: # 1103237Post **joffaboy** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:36pm

Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.

So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103238Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:39pm

joffaboy wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.
So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???

Anything is possible.

What happens if he's found not guilty and he then decides to sue us for prematurely 'curtaiiling his career'?
(I know we settled with him over his playing contract, but that is quite different to what I'm talking about)

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103240Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:41pm

Mr Magic wrote:
joffaboy wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.
So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???
Anything is possible.

What happens if he's found not guilty and he then decides to sue us for prematurely 'curtaiiling his career'?
(I know we settled with him over his playing contract, but that is quite different to what I'm talking about)

Not a lawyer, but I think he would have an actionable case, depends on the reasons given to him for cancelling his contract.

jamesmc · Post: # 1103245Post **jamesmc** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:44pm

It annoys me that he is referred to as a St.Kilda player when he didn't even pull on a saints sock on for us.

Eastern · Post: # 1103246Post **Eastern** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:44pm

GrumpyOne wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
joffaboy wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.
So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???
Anything is possible.

What happens if he's found not guilty and he then decides to sue us for prematurely 'curtaiiling his career'?
(I know we settled with him over his playing contract, but that is quite different to what I'm talking about)
Not a lawyer, but I think he would have an actionable case, depends on the reasons given to him for cancelling his contract.

The club pointed out (over & over) at the time that the termination of Lovetts contract had NOTHING to do with the incident that led to this case !!

skeptic · Post: # 1103250Post **skeptic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:46pm

GrumpyOne wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
joffaboy wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.
So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???
Anything is possible.

What happens if he's found not guilty and he then decides to sue us for prematurely 'curtaiiling his career'?
(I know we settled with him over his playing contract, but that is quite different to what I'm talking about)
Not a lawyer, but I think he would have an actionable case, depends on the reasons given to him for cancelling his contract.

Didn't we supposedly sack him for not meeting the terms of his contract and then settle the matter out of court?

i don't think he can sue us now

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103253Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:46pm

Eastern wrote:
GrumpyOne wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
joffaboy wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.
So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???
Anything is possible.

What happens if he's found not guilty and he then decides to sue us for prematurely 'curtaiiling his career'?
(I know we settled with him over his playing contract, but that is quite different to what I'm talking about)
Not a lawyer, but I think he would have an actionable case, depends on the reasons given to him for cancelling his contract.
The club pointed out (over & over) at the time that the termination of Lovetts contract had NOTHING to do with the incident that led to this case !!

Good..... as long as there is sound evidence to that fact.

Ross Levin??? handling the dismissal?

In good hands if so.

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103255Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:49pm

Eastern wrote:
GrumpyOne wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
joffaboy wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Lovett is represented by a very good barrister -David Grace QC, who has handled many cases involving the AFL (including getting Freo the points in Tasmania), as well as many criminal cases.
So does this mean that the AFl will take points off us again if Grace wins???
Anything is possible.

What happens if he's found not guilty and he then decides to sue us for prematurely 'curtaiiling his career'?
(I know we settled with him over his playing contract, but that is quite different to what I'm talking about)
Not a lawyer, but I think he would have an actionable case, depends on the reasons given to him for cancelling his contract.
The club pointed out (over & over) at the time that the termination of Lovetts contract had NOTHING to do with the incident that led to this case !!

They pointed out that GT wan't entitled to his holiday pay either - that didn't seem to work too well!

Any court action is always capable of being lost.
The problem for the Club is that it ties up people on unproductive stuff and causes disruption to the daily business/routine.

Even the fact that half a dozen of our players ahve to 'front' court ove rteh next couple of weeks as witnesses is a major disruption for us.

I wonder if Jack Anthony will be called as a witness?
Not that he did anything wrong but he apparently was the person the girl telephoned and as such would certainly have evidence to give as to what she origianlly alleged.

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103262Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:53pm

Mr Magic wrote: I wonder if Jack Anthony will be called as a witness?

Probably.... depends on the Defence accepting his statement.

mr six o'clock · Mon 11 Jul 2011 6:44pm

He'll probably get off , as he's got good lawyers who will take most of the money he'd got paid by the saints !
i.e. those of us who are members are probably in some small way contibruting to that ( alleged ) pricks defense .

Megsie · Post: # 1103291Post **Megsie** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 6:45pm

Lovett plead guilty & do the right thing...............you're joking !!!!!

It's all about him always has been.

saintbrat · Post: # 1103310Post **saintbrat** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:10pm

In his belief/mind he has done nothing wrong and it was concensual.
always has been a case of what you believe to be ' consent'

as is often the case the ' words used' will be of more discussion than the actual act.

Hurricane · Post: # 1103318Post **Hurricane** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:43pm

saintbrat wrote:In his belief/mind he has done nothing wrong and it was concensual.
always has been a case of what you believe to be ' consent'

as is often the case the ' words used' will be of more discussion than the actual act.

How can you consent to anything when you are not even concious? She even allegedly woke up and asked him to stop. If thats not clear cut I dont know what is

(Im not having a go here but the crime of rape makes me sick and boils my blood.)

BANG BANG

Cairnsman · Post: # 1103319Post **Cairnsman** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:43pm

saintbrat wrote:In his belief/mind he has done nothing wrong and it was concensual.
always has been a case of what you believe to be ' consent'

as is often the case the ' words used' will be of more discussion than the actual act.

sounds like you have inside knowledge. Do you know something?

Cairnsman · Post: # 1103321Post **Cairnsman** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:45pm

Hurricane wrote:
saintbrat wrote:In his belief/mind he has done nothing wrong and it was concensual.
always has been a case of what you believe to be ' consent'

as is often the case the ' words used' will be of more discussion than the actual act.
How can you consent to anything when you are not even concious? She even allegedly woke up and asked him to stop. If thats not clear cut I dont know what is

(Im not having a go here but the crime of rape makes me sick and boils my blood.)

BANG BANG

convicted rapists do more than boil my blood but surely we should wait until the legal process i completed.

skeptic · Post: # 1103322Post **skeptic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:46pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6092377290

seems to me that it's open and shut

obviously I don't really know, but I think the witness' testimony will be very damning

that being said it's he said she said

this artile doesn't read very well for AL though

saintbrat · Post: # 1103324Post **saintbrat** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:52pm

Cairnsman wrote:
saintbrat wrote:In his belief/mind he has done nothing wrong and it was concensual.
always has been a case of what you believe to be ' consent'

as is often the case the ' words used' will be of more discussion than the actual act.
sounds like you have inside knowledge. Do you know something?

no inside knowledge just remember some of the evidence presented in the original case .... ( or as reported to have been and other contact between the players and club.)

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103327Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:57pm

skeptic wrote:http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6092377290

seems to me that it's open and shut

obviously I don't really know, but I think the witness' testimony will be very damning

that being said it's he said she said

this artile doesn't read very well for AL though

Presentation by the prosecution.

Not supposed to be in the accused favour.

Wait until cross-examination by the defence.

Ralphy · Post: # 1103328Post **Ralphy** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 7:59pm

What gets me every time with 7 news is they regard him as ''ex stkilda player and ex essendon player''
no it should be really Ex Essendon Player then ex stkilda Recruit, he never pulled on our jumper nor did he EVER play for us!