Zac Dawson attacks Robert Walls

[dragit]

You know. Zac etc. Sleeping pills.

Zac didn't even have the sleeping pills, it was the other 3
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/z ... 5998394390

[PaytonPlace]

Shane Strempel just signed up for the Zac Dawson fan club

Becca

[InkerSaint]

Walsh would do better against Cloke (he can't do worse) and should be given a go next time we play the Pies.

Righto, and how did Grundy go on Cloke last Saturday?

[Dr Spaceman]

Walsh would do better against Cloke (he can't do worse) and should be given a go next time we play the Pies.

Righto, and how did Grundy go on Cloke last Saturday?

Well it certainly wasn't a "Perfect Match"

[dragit]

Walsh would do better against Cloke (he can't do worse) and should be given a go next time we play the Pies.

Righto, and how did Grundy go on Cloke last Saturday?

Well it certainly wasn't a "Perfect Match"

Well considering Cloke kicked 3 on Dawson, then has 6 the next 2 weeks it's fair to say that Walsh could do worse… Fair dinkum, Zac gets a pretty bad rap for a full-back that rarely has a bag kicked against him.
After the Rocca incident, how many time has someone kicked more than 4 goals on Zac?

[samoht]

Cloke does a lot more than just kick goals - he usually takes most of his marks outside 50 and roams all over the ground against us - he probably played more as a genuine stay at home FF last week and kicked a bag.

The thing is he absolutely dominates Dawson who seems to offer little or no effective opposition against him... so a bigger bodied mobile player like Walsh could not do worse IMHO.

Walsh vs Cloke .. would be at least trying something different... as we know that Zac vs Cloke isn't working out, it'll be the merciful thing to do.

[plugger66]

Cloke does a lot more than just kick goals - he usually takes most of his marks outside 50 and roams all over the ground against us - he probably played more as a genuine stay at home FF last week and kicked a bag.

The thing is he absolutely dominates Dawson who seems to offer little or no effective opposition against him... so a bigger bodied mobile player like Walsh could not do worse IMHO.

Walsh vs Cloke .. would be at least trying something different... as we know that Zac vs Cloke isn't working out,

Is that the same Tom Walsh who the out of form FB Brian Lake dominated against in the seconds a few weeks ago. It seems if you are out of site you are always better than the player we see against the best FB's every week.

[dragit]

I don't think it's our main problem when playing the Pies, Cloke only kicked 2 goals over both GF's, a bigger issue is the lop-sided forward 50 entries, last time around 60-30?
Be interesting to see Walsh have a go at any rate.

[InkerSaint]

Cloke does a lot more than just kick goals - he usually takes most of his marks outside 50 and roams all over the ground against us - he probably played more as a genuine stay at home FF last week and kicked a bag.

So, obviously, the better choice is stay-at-home full forward. Well golly gee, someone in the Collingwood brains trust is a moron.

Because it couldn't possibly be that Zac did a better job than his peers at other clubs now, could it?

[samoht]

Lake also kicked 3 quick goals when moved to FF in his mini return/recall in the AFL - in the second half of a recent AFL match (in just a half of football)- what does that prove ?

Not bad for an out of form player once more.


All I can say is - I wish we had out of form players who could also kick 3 goals in a half of football.
Lake still got dropped the following week if I recall right.

[plugger66]

Lake also kicked 3 quick goals when moved to FF in his mini return/recall in the AFL - in the second half of a recent AFL match (in just a half of football)- what does that prove ?

Not bad for an out of form player once more.


All I can say is - I wish we had out of form players who could also kick 3 goals in a half of football.
Lake still got dropped the following week if I recall right.

Yep but what does that have to do with him playing on Walsh. I think he got promoted to the firsts after that game.

[samoht]

Cloke does a lot more than just kick goals - he usually takes most of his marks outside 50 and roams all over the ground against us - he probably played more as a genuine stay at home FF last week and kicked a bag.

So, obviously, the better choice is stay-at-home full forward. Well golly gee, someone in the Collingwood brains trust is a moron.

Because it couldn't possibly be that Zac did a better job than his peers at other clubs now, could it?

Zac has been towelled up every time and just watches helplessly as Cloke just takes mark after easy mark against him
Luckily Cloke wasn't being played out of the goal square.

[plugger66]

Cloke does a lot more than just kick goals - he usually takes most of his marks outside 50 and roams all over the ground against us - he probably played more as a genuine stay at home FF last week and kicked a bag.

So, obviously, the better choice is stay-at-home full forward. Well golly gee, someone in the Collingwood brains trust is a moron.

Because it couldn't possibly be that Zac did a better job than his peers at other clubs now, could it?

Zac has been towelled up every time and just watches helplessly as Cloke just takes mark after easy mark against him.

Didnt Zac get the most votes in second GF off the coaches last year and also did alright in the first GF. Maybe some facts might be nice. So the last 3 times we have played the pies the coaches thought he was good in 2 of them and we havent seen the result of the other game.

[samoht]

Cloke had a groin injury of some sort .. he wasn't moving freely in the GF's... not as freely as he is now.

[plugger66]

Cloke had a groin injury of some sort .. he wasn't moving freely in the GF's... not as freely as he is now.

So when are these other games you talk of that Zac was beaten by Cloke apart from the last game when the pies smashed us in the middle and had nearly double our inside 50's? Also missed that info about Cloke having a groin injury in both GF's.

[samoht]

In GF1 when Cloke was moving more freely he had 15 possessions vs Dawson's 8.

In GF2 when Cloke was running on to the ground - he looked really proppy/ginger.

[plugger66]

In GF1 when Cloke was moving more freely he had 15 possessions vs Dawson's 8.

In GF2 when Cloke was running on to the ground - he looked really proppy/ginger.

Funny I only notice our players. By the way when you play on the best forward the backman usually has less stats. Anyway the coaches thought Zac did well. Still waiting for all the other games. I am giving Zac 2 wins in the GF's last year because it seems the coaches did.

[gringo]

Zac could not have done more on Cloke as he got most of his marks out in front from hard leads. Zac is a very good punch from behind defender, I would suggest apart from guys like Scarlett who seem to octopus their player and get away with it, no other defender in the AFL could do any better against Cloke. Zac is a very good defender on most forwards but even guys like Scarlett, Lake, Glass etc. get monstered by an in form player receiving good supply.

[BigMart]

Lake dominated walsh did he...

He was promoted because he went into rockets office and assured him he was right to go.....eade said it was a mistake to listen to a player and should not have picked UNTIL he showed VFL form

[plugger66]

Lake dominated walsh did he...

He was promoted because he went into rockets office and assured him he was right to go.....eade said it was a mistake to listen to a player and should not have picked UNTIL he showed VFL form

Yes he did when he went on to him. I trust you saw the game? You not only know what goes on inside our coaching panel, you now know the WB as well. You are very funny. Hilarious.

[jays]

zac should of keeped his mouth shut

[Sainternist]

Anyone remember that initiation story Walls put one of his Brisbane rookies through?

What an absolute sicko

[meher baba]

Anyone remember that initiation story Walls put one of his Brisbane rookies through?

What an absolute sicko

No I don't remember! Please remind me.

[Thinline]

zac should of keeped his mouth shut

'Have', not 'of'.

See other thread.

[Sainternist]

Anyone remember that initiation story Walls put one of his Brisbane rookies through?

What an absolute sicko

No I don't remember! Please remind me.

Radio transcript from http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s280599.htm

COMPERE: One of the ugliest incidents ever to emerge from an ugly macho side of the game of Australian Rules football.

In a highly unorthodox training session it appears the Brisbane Bears' players formed a circle, put on boxing gloves and one by one purposely thrashed and pummelled a fellow player until he was bloodied and bruised.

The former Bears coach, Rob Walls, says he ordered the punch-up because one of his players, Shane Strempel, "needed to be taught a lesson". The bizarre training session only ended when another player said they should stop, or Strempel might be killed.

The incident which has only just come out in public, happened 10 years ago but as Luisa Saccotelli reports for The World Today, those involved have never forgotten it.

UNIDENTIFIED: We pulled the boxing gloves out and we made a big circle and we put Strempel in the middle of the circle and we let him go a round with one player and then dropped that player out and then we put another player in to go another round.

UNIDENTIFIED: What do you do? I mean you're 21 and your coach tells you to do something so you have to do it.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: Former Brisbane Bears' players recalling what happened at one particular training session with coach Robert Walls in 1991.

UNIDENTIFIED: You know, you really started to feel sorry for him. You thought maybe it was a little bit overdone.

UNIDENTIFIED: Just seeing everyone's face change. The longer it went on, the less people wanted to step in. They realised enough is enough.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: The person in charge was former Brisbane Bears' coach, Robert Walls. His former players recalled the incident as part of a re-enactment for an official AFL Players' Association video about past players' memories of the sport.

Former Brisbane Bears footballer Robert Dixon produced the video and was at the training session when Rob Walls decided Shane Strempel needed to be taught respect.

ROBERT DIXON: He sent us on a lap and we came back and there was a bunch of boxing gloves on the ground and so we were all thinking, you know well something's going on here and Rob had some really interesting training drills at the best of times, but this was something a bit different. And he picked eight of the biggest blokes that played, fortunately I wasn't very big so I didn't get picked, and sent Shane in the middle and said look, this is maybe the only way we're going to get some respect from you or the players and sent one at a time in for two minute rounds.

So, the first round was obviously an even fight because Shane was up to it and he was a big bloke himself and could box but by the time two and three came around it was tough for him to even hold his arms up so it became a battle from thereon in.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: So what state was he in by the end of it all?

ROBERT DIXON: He was pretty groggy. He had copped a bit of a pounding and he had blood coming from his nose. He had problems with his teeth. So it was a fairly severe sort of punishment, I suppose.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: It was a strange disciplinary attempt even by the standards of a decade ago, according to AFL Players' Association's CEO Rob Kerr. He said if it happened today the Bears would have breached their duty of care to Strempel and would be legally liable, at the very least for breach of contract.

Well, now the coach has turned commentator. These days Robert Walls is a Southern Cross radio broadcaster, using their airwaves to mount his defence.

ROBERT WALLS: You know, it was a controlled, safe situation. I was always near him. The players knew that they don't throw hay-makers or round-armers. It was boxing/sparring situation because they'd been taught that. He never got knocked over. He never got cut. They are heavy gloves that they wear and at the end of it he walked in with everyone else.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: Rob Walls on Melbourne Radio. But his former charge Robert Dixon says he's spoken to a lot of the players involved and they see it differently.

ROBERT DIXON: It was a fight and that wasn't unusual and sparring wasn't unusual, but this was a bit different given that it was survival for Shane at the time. He was defending himself.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: Well Robert Walls said that it was a highly controlled situation, it was only sparring, he was there the whole time to make sure that the player was safe. Is that how you remember it?

ROBERT DIXON: I mean it was controlled in as much that they were, he was there and it was controlled as much that we were in a circle and at any one stage it could have been called off.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: The players interviewed for the AFL Players Association video recall Brownlow medallist, Brad Hardy, intervening to call a stop to the boxing.

ROBERT DIXON: Brad Hardy, who was nearing one of the last guys to go in, basically said that's enough Rob, I think that means he's had enough, which stopped the whole incident.

LUISA SACCOTELLI: I think he said, "We'd better stop or we'll kill him". Is that accurate?

ROBERT DIXON: Well it's accurate to Michael McLean recounts the story in the video and that's how Madge heard it. I have a feeling that it was probably the last time in AFL football that you could get away with such a thing.

COMPERE: Former Brisbane Bears' player, Robert Dixon, with those memories he can't let go.