Umpire corruption.

[plugger66]

Umpires have far to much influence over the results of games IMO.

The free's and timings of 50 metre penalties for a player who says the smallest things (see last nights game) is friggin ridiculous.

They are to precious and to much "in" the game as opposed to letting it go a little more.

The game is over officiated and the blatant weekly howlers are swept under the carpet.

I'd like to see the stats of teams and frees paid in the context of "where" on the ground they are paid???

The "deliberately out of bounds" from Montagna a few weeks back was just deplorable.....but according to Gieschen ....correct.

So after writing all that rubbish what would you suggest, maybe the Captains umpire or even the neutral spectators. Luckily the players howlers arent picked up by the media. It would be very boring.

[Bernard Shakey]

What a crock. We won the game and the umps did a fair job apart from the free to Petterd.

[Helio]

Frees 21 - 14 the Dees' way at 3/4 time.

Frees are a totally meaningless stat. There is no logical reason why the number of frees should be similar.

And yet amazingly they are always about the same at the end of the game.

Not so much amazing as a symptom of the umpires playing too great a part in the game. The umps think the numbers need to be similar or the crowd will call bias so they bring themselves into the game & give soft frees just to 'square up'.

A difference in frees in a game can be explained by chance - the fact that they are often about the same is dodgy!

[plugger66]

Frees 21 - 14 the Dees' way at 3/4 time.

Frees are a totally meaningless stat. There is no logical reason why the number of frees should be similar.

And yet amazingly they are always about the same at the end of the game.

Not so much amazing as a symptom of the umpires playing too great a part in the game. The umps think the numbers need to be similar or the crowd will call bias so they bring themselves into the game & give soft frees just to 'square up'.

A difference in frees in a game can be explained by chance - the fact that they are often about the same is dodgy!

And what happens in the games where we whinge that it is 30 frees to 18 or are we the only side that happens to. You people must have heard of the song, short memory.

[Teflon]

Umpires have far to much influence over the results of games IMO.

The free's and timings of 50 metre penalties for a player who says the smallest things (see last nights game) is friggin ridiculous.

They are to precious and to much "in" the game as opposed to letting it go a little more.

The game is over officiated and the blatant weekly howlers are swept under the carpet.

I'd like to see the stats of teams and frees paid in the context of "where" on the ground they are paid???

The "deliberately out of bounds" from Montagna a few weeks back was just deplorable.....but according to Gieschen ....correct.

So after writing all that rubbish what would you suggest, maybe the Captains umpire or even the neutral spectators. Luckily the players howlers arent picked up by the media. It would be very boring.

Id suggest the umps let the game go a bit more - I said that already but you're incontinence obviously meant you couldnt sit still long enough to read it.

The games over umpired with pathetic, soft frees weekly.
The holding the ball rule is interpreted differently (depending if your name is Judd or some kid) EVERY WEEK.

Thats what I think.

But lets hear your thoughts oracle - why not get an opinion as opposed to attempting to hijack others??

[Teflon]

What a crock. We won the game and the umps did a fair job apart from the free to Petterd.

Not at all referring to todays game.

[Teflon]

Frees 21 - 14 the Dees' way at 3/4 time.

Frees are a totally meaningless stat. There is no logical reason why the number of frees should be similar.

And yet amazingly they are always about the same at the end of the game.

Not so much amazing as a symptom of the umpires playing too great a part in the game. The umps think the numbers need to be similar or the crowd will call bias so they bring themselves into the game & give soft frees just to 'square up'.

A difference in frees in a game can be explained by chance - the fact that they are often about the same is dodgy!

I agree.

The free's at games end appears to be some weird accou nting exercise.....so often they balance out its amazing...

[plugger66]

Umpires have far to much influence over the results of games IMO.

The free's and timings of 50 metre penalties for a player who says the smallest things (see last nights game) is friggin ridiculous.

They are to precious and to much "in" the game as opposed to letting it go a little more.

The game is over officiated and the blatant weekly howlers are swept under the carpet.

I'd like to see the stats of teams and frees paid in the context of "where" on the ground they are paid???

The "deliberately out of bounds" from Montagna a few weeks back was just deplorable.....but according to Gieschen ....correct.

So after writing all that rubbish what would you suggest, maybe the Captains umpire or even the neutral spectators. Luckily the players howlers arent picked up by the media. It would be very boring.

Id suggest the umps let the game go a bit more - I said that already but you're incontinence obviously meant you couldnt sit still long enough to read it.

The games over umpired with pathetic, soft frees weekly.
The holding the ball rule is interpreted differently (depending if your name is Judd or some kid) EVERY WEEK.

Thats what I think.

But lets hear your thoughts oracle - why not get an opinion as opposed to attempting to hijack others??

How can you not hijack it when people mention the word, corruption. As an umpire i suggest football is just about impossible to umpire these days with probably 20 players on the ball and if they let it go people like you would complain that 10 frees were missed. As it is there arent many frees paid these days considering the amount of contests. I cannot beleive people seem to go the footy to watch the umpires first and the game second but then again I would rather watch my side than the stupid bloody umpires. Then there are others who just like whinging.

[BallBanger]

whinging at the whingers again plug.

Umps have been corrupt since the beginning of sport..

Like commentators some a bias

[plugger66]

whinging at the whingers again plug.

Umps have been corrupt since the beginning of sport..

Like commentators some a bias

You come across as a person who has no idea but good on you. I will you in the no idea book.

[Teflon]

Umpires have far to much influence over the results of games IMO.

The free's and timings of 50 metre penalties for a player who says the smallest things (see last nights game) is friggin ridiculous.

They are to precious and to much "in" the game as opposed to letting it go a little more.

The game is over officiated and the blatant weekly howlers are swept under the carpet.

I'd like to see the stats of teams and frees paid in the context of "where" on the ground they are paid???

The "deliberately out of bounds" from Montagna a few weeks back was just deplorable.....but according to Gieschen ....correct.

So after writing all that rubbish what would you suggest, maybe the Captains umpire or even the neutral spectators. Luckily the players howlers arent picked up by the media. It would be very boring.

Id suggest the umps let the game go a bit more - I said that already but you're incontinence obviously meant you couldnt sit still long enough to read it.

The games over umpired with pathetic, soft frees weekly.
The holding the ball rule is interpreted differently (depending if your name is Judd or some kid) EVERY WEEK.

Thats what I think.

But lets hear your thoughts oracle - why not get an opinion as opposed to attempting to hijack others??

How can you not hijack it when people mention the word, corruption. As an umpire i suggest football is just about impossible to umpire these days with probably 20 players on the ball and if they let it go people like you would complain that 10 frees were missed. As it is there arent many frees paid these days considering the amount of contests. I cannot beleive people seem to go the footy to watch the umpires first and the game second but then again I would rather watch my side than the stupid bloody umpires. Then there are others who just like whinging.

Where did I say the umps were corrupt? - do show me.

People can't help but notice the umps - they are "in" the game, mouthing off to players and have egos as large at times....

I actually agree with Sam Newman on this - the game is over officiated and umpiring consistency just isnt there.

Where are your stats on Frees paid to contests? - Id have thought todays game has far less "contests" than years ago.....today a "slight bump" results in a whistle and a free.....a backman can't touch a fwd without a whistle....these aren't contests...these are the output of a game with stacks more rules and zealous white maggotts out to get their 20secs of fame.

Thats just my opinion - we still dont have yours ofcourse.

BTW - what did you think of the umpiring of todays game.............oh wait............you didnt see it....

I thought it was ok myself.

[Teflon]

whinging at the whingers again plug.

Umps have been corrupt since the beginning of sport..

Like commentators some a bias

You come across as a person who has no idea but good on you. I will you in the no idea book.

you sound dyslexic or drunk most of the time.

we all make concessions.

[Helio]

Frees 21 - 14 the Dees' way at 3/4 time.

Frees are a totally meaningless stat. There is no logical reason why the number of frees should be similar.

And yet amazingly they are always about the same at the end of the game.

Not so much amazing as a symptom of the umpires playing too great a part in the game. The umps think the numbers need to be similar or the crowd will call bias so they bring themselves into the game & give soft frees just to 'square up'.

A difference in frees in a game can be explained by chance - the fact that they are often about the same is dodgy!

And what happens in the games where we whinge that it is 30 frees to 18 or are we the only side that happens to. You people must have heard of the song, short memory.

No we are not the only team that happens to - that's the whole point!

[ozrulestrace]

What about Martin kneeing Kosi in two ballups, in the head - no free - then penalising Blake for doing the same f****** thing??

Whilst Luke Darcy said Martin was doing a great job against Kosi.

I wondered when the umpire was going to realise Martin's knee was hitting Kosi's head. So much for the sacracant area of the body, even for Kosi.

[Mr Magic]

I think the current interpretation is that :-

-you're allowed to make inadvertant contact with your knee toan opposition player's head in a marking/rucking contest.

-you're not allowed to make inadvertant contact with your hand to an opponent's back in a marking/rucking contest.

Unless
-you are Jason Blake in category 1

Also could someone far wiser than me explain how Milne gave away 6 free kicks yesterday (according to today's stats in the Hun).
I knew he was being pinged (apparently for breathing after quarter time) yesterday but was he so undisciplined in his attack on the footy that he infringed against an opponent nearly every time he went for the footy?

[saint66au]

So the umps who missed the blatant throws by Richmond and Brisbane players last night corrupt as well..they changed the course of both those games..or just the ones that wont pay us 100 frees a game??

Seriously some people need to switch their brain on before they post here

[Solar]

Of course there will be suggestions when

1) the favourite has a huge amount betted on them

2) the underdogs struggle in most sections of the game

3) the free count is lop sided towards the team struggling

4) one umpire seems to be paying the majority of the free kicks, to the stage where a supporter can guess that it is number 16 as the free is called.

Off my head there were 3 - 8 bounces that should have been brought back because they favoured a certain side. A player was allowed to run 20 to 30 metres without bouncing, free kicks in our backline not seen in any other section of the ground etc.

Maybe it's just how the umpires saw it but on one occasion at least there is no chance the umpire could have seen the bottom of the pack as there was 10+ players in his way, yet guessed and called holding it.

Did not effect the game but it had a fishy smell. To those suggesting this would never happen look at sirengate. Once you condone that then anything is possible.

[georgie girl]

The umpiring is inconsistent because some of the rules are poor and the interpretations therefore very subjective.
For example, often the holding the ball rule does not give the player making a fair dinkum effort to go in and get the ball, a fair go. It is often interpreted differently not just week to week but from umpire to umpire within the one game.

[joffaboy]

Quite possibly the single worst post on this forum, but at least I comment on things I have actually observed.

So you actually observed corruption?

yes about five years ago with Whispers in the Sky.

Totally corrupt and covered up by Anderson and the AFL.

Head should have been investigated for corruption.

Disgrace

At least you are letting that go.

You asked if corruption had been observed and when i give you the answer you dont deny that it was corrupt and covered up by Anderson and the AFL, only some personal swipe at me.

Good on you for denying what was obvious to everybody.

Thin edge of the wedge....

[plugger66]

Quite possibly the single worst post on this forum, but at least I comment on things I have actually observed.

So you actually observed corruption?

yes about five years ago with Whispers in the Sky.

Totally corrupt and covered up by Anderson and the AFL.

Head should have been investigated for corruption.

Disgrace

At least you are letting that go.

You asked if corruption had been observed and when i give you the answer you dont deny that it was corrupt and covered up by Anderson and the AFL, only some personal swipe at me.

Good on you for denying what was obvious to everybody.

Thin edge of the wedge....

That is the thing. Maybe you dont have friends or all of them follow the Saints but my mates didnt find anything obvious at all. I suppose most real saints supporters still think the world is against us because it makes so much sense.

[resaintlee]

At the risk of being howled down again I have to say that umpiring would have to be the biggest concern the AFL could have with its concerns about betting on sport. I was happy to see that none of a particular group of 3 was umpiring our game yesterday and thought we would have a better go. Again I feel it is where the frees are or are not paid and at what stage in the context of the game, especially now as we are recognizing scoreboard pressure. We do usually end up with the same number of frees with evening up i the last quarter.

[borderbarry]

2 points.. 1. Whenever I watch a VFL game, it always seems that the umpires are doing a better job than their AFL colleagues. Maybe because the game is slower.
2. It frustrates me when the umpires pay an 8 metre kick a mark, particularly when the player marking the ball is closer than the man on the mark. Yet they allow players to run 25 metres without bouncing the ball. Have they no idea of distance?

[joffaboy]

That is the thing. Maybe you dont have friends or all of them follow the Saints but my mates didnt find anything obvious at all. I suppose most real saints supporters still think the world is against us because it makes so much sense.

Nothing to do with the world being against St.Kilda.

Fact - head told Tony Jones - Now we know what a victory feels like. This after Fremantle got 5 soft free kicks in front of goal, and after GT had publicly critisised the umpires.

Fact - Anderson tried to cover it up, but when an independant source also came forward and verified Tony Jones account, they had to instigate an investigation.

Fact - investigation found that Head was innocent. However Tony Jones would not retract and Head would not sue. In fact Head has been openly called corrupt and will not sue as he knows that under oath the truth would be revealed, that he conspired to influence a game with his fellow umpires.

I also have non St.Kilda friends who were appalled that the umpires with AFL backing could obviously get away with such blatant influence on a game and there be no repercussions.

There is a real concern about corruption in sport and match fixing. If an umpire can be so vindictive to influence a game because they dont like what a coach has said about them, and this obvious corruption is backed by the governing body, where will it lead to?

Ever heard of the Pakistan Cricket Board, and the ICC? They are having trouble with players match fixing. Ever heard of the 1919 World Series?

Now if a governing body does not crack down on corruption in umpiring but back it as the AFL did, why cant an umpire be paid to even up free kick or give a soft free kick at the end of a game to change a points spread?

This is the problem, and you denying that corruption cant occur is either naive or just plain ignorant.

You asked for corruption in umpiring, it was given to you, and you dismiss it.

On the weekend, the umpires IMHO were inconsistant and ordinary, but not corrupt. However I can see why some would take an alternate POV especially since the AFL has form in backing umpires unfairly influencing a game as per the Whispers in the Sky scandal.

Deny it at the games peril.

[stinger]

Didnt see the game at all but could be the worst post ever.

What was your excuse today Tugsie?

Got pissed in the lunch. Footy was the least of my priorities when I could speak to Stinger.

Stinger didn't front and either did you.

You two finally got a room eh?

don't know about plugger and i don't care.... but i was definitely there....along with my charming wife.....we sat with friends....

[stinger]

It was an amateur display of umpiring and in the end would have favoured Melbourne, but we were given some bad ones as well. My favourite part being the blatant throw from Polo over his head to release to a running player. Unfortunately we missed the goal from it. Overall it was summed up well by Newton giving the umpire back the ball when he was awarded a free in front of goal; he had no idea he'd be infringed upon.

the free right in front to milney was soft....