Indigenous Round

[Murray79]

Hey Saints fans

Indigenous Round is a really important fixture in the AFL season. Australia has come a long way in terms of people learning to respect other cultures, but there's still some way to go.

Nicky Winmar will always be remembered as the player who stood up to racism, by lifting it up his guernsey and sticking it to the Pies fans!

Check out my article 'Indigenous Round A Step In the Right Direction'

Thanks.

http://www.thebigtip.com.au/afl/indigen ... irection-0

[Life Long Saint]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

[GrumpyOne]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

Good idea, but not for just greek heritage players (Dipper?), but for all players whose heritage is non-english speaking. A Migration Round, for want of a better name. A Round that acknowledges the input of NESB players, who have achieved despite similar racial taunts in their youth to Indigenous players.

[stinger]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

Good idea, but not for just greek heritage players (Dipper?), but for all players whose heritage is non-english speaking. A Migration Round, for want of a better name. A Round that acknowledges the input of NESB players, who have achieved despite similar racial taunts in their youth to Indigenous players.

peter daicos might be a tad upset being called greek.


"Peter Daicos is commonly known as the Macedonian Marvel"

[Dr Spaceman]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

Good idea, but not for just greek heritage players (Dipper?), but for all players whose heritage is non-english speaking. A Migration Round, for want of a better name. A Round that acknowledges the input of NESB players, who have achieved despite similar racial taunts in their youth to Indigenous players.

And what about a Scapegoat Round, for all of those fine young men who have persisted despite nasty, hateful taunts questioning their ability, commitment and courage?

[busso mick]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

Good idea, but not for just greek heritage players (Dipper?), but for all players whose heritage is non-english speaking. A Migration Round, for want of a better name. A Round that acknowledges the input of NESB players, who have achieved despite similar racial taunts in their youth to Indigenous players.

And what about a Scapegoat Round, for all of those fine young men who have persisted despite nasty, hateful taunts questioning their ability, commitment and courage?

Good initiative there Dr S, though it might need to be staged over a few rounds as they can't make banners big enough to mention them all together.

[Moods]

I think the whole concept is completely unnecessary. I find the whole pre-game to it mind numbingly boring and won't tune in until the actual game starts. I actually find Aboriginal culture very boring - does that make me racist?

Indigenous players and the AFL do appear very confused though. On the one hand they want to be included and accepted as just another footballer and on the other the AFL put together this well meaning 'indigenous' round to highlight their aboriginality.

Personally I think they should be proud of their achievements in the game, and celebrate this fact. AS a society we should all be treated the same but acknowledged that we're all a bit different. I just wish I could find their culture more interesting, because an aboriginal person playing a didgeree do while we all listen to boring tales from an aboriginal elder and look at Aboriginal art on the scoreboard sends me to sleep.

But hey, that's just me

[degruch]

I think the whole concept is completely unnecessary.

I tend to agree...it's a nice sentiment, and the cultural input is nice, but has a ring of "Hey! It's Different Looking Guy Round" about it. Really, as pointed out above, they are all footballers whether black, white, green or blue. The focus on differences forces a point of difference where there should be none.

[Con Gorozidis]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

[degruch]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

[Dr Spaceman]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

What about a Rolf Harris Round; for players who look like Rolf Harris

[degruch]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

What about a Rolf Harris Round; for players who look like Rolf Harris

That's awesome...do you think we can get Michael Tuck and Brian Peake to wear thick rimmed glasses though? Might be a boring round with only two players involved.

[plugger66]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

What about a Rolf Harris Round; for players who look like Rolf Harris

That's awesome...do you think we can get Michael Tuck and Brian Peake to wear thick rimmed glasses though? Might be a boring round with only two players involved.

Geoff Bletham is the perfect Rolf Harris.

[Dr Spaceman]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

What about a Rolf Harris Round; for players who look like Rolf Harris

That's awesome...do you think we can get Michael Tuck and Brian Peake to wear thick rimmed glasses though? Might be a boring round with only two players involved.

Geoff Bletham is the perfect Rolf Harris.

[degruch]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

What about a Rolf Harris Round; for players who look like Rolf Harris

That's awesome...do you think we can get Michael Tuck and Brian Peake to wear thick rimmed glasses though? Might be a boring round with only two players involved.

Geoff Bletham is the perfect Rolf Harris.

Spot on p66!

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322344

[Dr Spaceman]

There is certainly no place for racism in any form at the footy or in society in general.

But I am not convinced that highlighting a minority group is actually helping the cause. The unintended consequence of this is to show that they are different. We should be working toward a scenario where we don't even see that they are indegenous.

They are footballers. There should be no difference in how we view Nick Riewoldt compared to Liam Jurrah. They should be compared on football talent and conduct not skin colour or heritage.

The other question is, if we must have these theme rounds then, why do we limit it to indigenous players? Why not a general non-Australian round. The AFL CEO was one of the early greek (or Cypriot) players along with Robert Dipierdomenico, Spiro Kourkamleilis, Alex Marcou, Peter Daicos...to name a few. Where is the acknowlegement for their contributions to our game?

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

What about a "People Who Read Something That's Not There Into a Comment" Round?

What about a Rolf Harris Round; for players who look like Rolf Harris

That's awesome...do you think we can get Michael Tuck and Brian Peake to wear thick rimmed glasses though? Might be a boring round with only two players involved.

Geoff Bletham is the perfect Rolf Harris.

Spot on p66!

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322344

That other bomber Simon Madden would also get a gig if he could just chuck the contacts and bring back the specs

[GrumpyOne]

I think the whole concept is completely unnecessary. I find the whole pre-game to it mind numbingly boring and won't tune in until the actual game starts. I actually find Aboriginal culture very boring - does that make me racist?

Indigenous players and the AFL do appear very confused though. On the one hand they want to be included and accepted as just another footballer and on the other the AFL put together this well meaning 'indigenous' round to highlight their aboriginality.

Personally I think they should be proud of their achievements in the game, and celebrate this fact. AS a society we should all be treated the same but acknowledged that we're all a bit different. I just wish I could find their culture more interesting, because an aboriginal person playing a didgeree do while we all listen to boring tales from an aboriginal elder and look at Aboriginal art on the scoreboard sends me to sleep.

But hey, that's just me

Thank God for that.

[markp]

People really have a problem with this?

The AFL have the ANZAC round, Field of Women breast cancer awareness round, Heritage round, etc, is anyone bothered by any of that?

I think footy has done a lot for indigenous and non-indigenous relations in this country over the years, and has every right to celebrate and continue to champion that.

[borderbarry]

Dont forget there was a time in the not so distant past when an aboriginal player could not be played simply because he was aboriginal. Probably in the days when the White Australia policy reigned supreme.

[Life Long Saint]

non-australian?
u think indiginous are non-australian.

It is amazing what people will read into a post when they clearly have an agenda.

I did not state, infer nor imply that indegenous players were non-Australian. A quick check of any dictionary would show that indegenous implies native. What I stated was that, if we are going to have an indegenous round that we should ALSO have a non-Australian round to recognise the contributions of the players with non-Australian backgrounds.

Maybe we could also have a country round to recognise the contributions of our non-city folk to this great game.

Whilst we're at it, we could have a white Australian round to recognise the great contributions to the game of anglo-saxon players.

[Life Long Saint]

Dont forget there was a time in the not so distant past when an aboriginal player could not be played simply because he was aboriginal. Probably in the days when the White Australia policy reigned supreme.

When was that, exactly? When did the league ban aborignal players?

[degruch]

Dont forget there was a time in the not so distant past when an aboriginal player could not be played simply because he was aboriginal. Probably in the days when the White Australia policy reigned supreme.

Get a boundary rider over to the Collingwood Cheers Squad and ask them what the Indigenous round means to them...

...no-one here is indicated they have a problem with the theme (OK, Moods doesn't like the culture, but I'm not going to tell him to get on a boat and go back home), but some don't think it's really necessary to make an example of any race, because race has nothing to do with football.

[borderbarry]

It is the way that aboriginal people were treated in the past by the white majority, that we have an indigenous round, to recognise that we now treat them equally.

[borderbarry]

Was it Glenn James, the aboriginal umpire? You can imagine the struggle in the minds of racist supporters who were going to call him a white maggot.

[degruch]

Was it Glenn James, the aboriginal umpire? You can imagine the struggle in the minds of racist supporters who were going to call him a white maggot.

...and a pretty good ump he was too, from faint memory. Unlike some of the more recent 'superstars' we've been supplied by the AFL.