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thejiggingsaint wrote:I'm starting to feel SO angry at the thought of some of those blokes picking up wages this week!
Thank you for that lovely piece of information, but I am sorry I can't help you with that... lThe Fireman wrote:I would stick fat but I have a soft on.
You mean like how Rod Butterrs "went off his freaking rocker" in 2006, when he sacked Grant Thomas, despite him having just taken the side to 3 successive finals series in a row, including consecutive Preliminary Finals in the two previous years?Dal_Santos_Gal wrote:If the typical St Kilda mentality kicks in.. when things are going wrong hey lets SACK THE COACH, I am going to go off my freaking rocker...
How many finals games have we played under GT and RL without a premiership?AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:You mean like how Rod Butterrs "went off his freaking rocker" in 2006, when he sacked Grant Thomas, despite him having just taken the side to 3 successive finals series in a row, including consecutive Preliminary Finals in the two previous years?Dal_Santos_Gal wrote:If the typical St Kilda mentality kicks in.. when things are going wrong hey lets SACK THE COACH, I am going to go off my freaking rocker...
We wouldn't want to do something like that again, would we, because we wouldn't want to get someone in who could take the club to even greater heights in the following 5 years, like Ross has done since then.
Please no, don't even consider that option.
You'd have to be "off your freaking rocker" to do that!
We should just "stick fat", and not even consider the option that worked so well for us last time. That sounds wise.
Prelims are not Grand finals, Grant Thomas is a different story all together to Ross Lyon.. Talk about "you being off your rocker" seeing you want to repeat my words 501 times, maybe I will give it a try...AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:You mean like how Rod Butterrs "went off his freaking rocker" in 2006, when he sacked Grant Thomas, despite him having just taken the side to 3 successive finals series in a row, including consecutive Preliminary Finals in the two previous years?Dal_Santos_Gal wrote:If the typical St Kilda mentality kicks in.. when things are going wrong hey lets SACK THE COACH, I am going to go off my freaking rocker...
We wouldn't want to do something like that again, would we, because we wouldn't want to get someone in who could take the club to even greater heights in the following 5 years, like Ross has done since then.
Please no, don't even consider that option.
You'd have to be "off your freaking rocker" to do that!
We should just "stick fat", and not even consider the option that worked so well for us last time. That sounds wise.
, they don't help one little bit getting first hands on the ball) 
We you could only mean Malthouse.saintspremiers wrote:FFS IF someone top class if available next year we'd be negligent as a club not to consider them.
Ross is a cut above your average coach, but not necessarily the best on offer come season end.
Keep am open mind on it is all I say.
I wouldn't write off everything he says either.HardSaint wrote:I wouldnt cite Patrick Smith as a good source
it doesn't mean instant success thou SP.. it's more time for the players to get used to yet another coach....saintspremiers wrote:FFS IF someone top class if available next year we'd be negligent as a club not to consider them.
Ross is a cut above your average coach, but not necessarily the best on offer come season end.
Keep am open mind on it is all I say.
Thank youInkerSaint wrote:Save yourself the bother of this argument DSG, there are so many other good sources.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sp ... 1112202869
The club had given up attempting to sway Thomas one way or the other. club officials found him so sure of his strategies, he was not just resistant to any advice but dismissive. So Thomas would either win the premiership with his players and his structures or he would be sacked. There was no longer any middle ground.
you have saved me from typing anymore on the GT subject. Exactly my point.saintspremiers wrote:FFS IF someone top class if available next year we'd be negligent as a club not to consider them.
Ross is a cut above your average coach, but not necessarily the best on offer come season end.
Keep am open mind on it is all I say.
I was extraordinarily happy when I heard Thomas got the ass, because I believed it was absolutely time, but the fact still remains that if he'd had the same run with injuries during 2004/2005 that Lyon had in 2009/2010 and Lyon had had the sort of injuries in 2009/2010 that Thomas got in 2004/2005, you can pretty much guarantee it would have been Thomas who got us to two GF's (and probably won at least one of them) and that Lyon wouldn't have gotten us to a GF.BigMart wrote:Thommo has better coaching record than patrick.....better than all bar a few coaches in our history.....bit of respect.
Ross is one of those few...
Those blighters who squandered an almost six goal lead against a side with twenty fit men should have their pay docked!!!!!!!!!!!!!
( God help me)I've seen GT at Vlados.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:I was extraordinarily happy when I heard Thomas got the ass, because I believed it was absolutely time, but the fact still remains that if he'd had the same run with injuries during 2004/2005 that Lyon had in 2009/2010 and Lyon had had the sort of injuries in 2009/2010 that Thomas got in 2004/2005, you can pretty much guarantee it would have been Thomas who got us to two GF's (and probably won at least one of them) and that Lyon wouldn't have gotten us to a GF.BigMart wrote:Thommo has better coaching record than patrick.....better than all bar a few coaches in our history.....bit of respect.
Ross is one of those few...
In 2009 alone we barely had an injury, yet still only just got over the Doggies in the Prelim. David Missen probably was the major difference between the two.
Thomas had a better list to work with (in 2004/2005), but he also took over a team that had finished last the year before and second last the year he took over and was a complete "basket case" and took them to within a kick of a GF in one year and to leading a Prelim at 3/4 time in the next, despite major injuries that would most likely have wiped us out last year, or in 2009.
Look at this year. Losing Lenny and Gardi looks to have wiped us out, yet we lost many more of our "guns" in the lead-up to the finals (and in those finals) in 2005, yet still led the Prelim till 3/4 time. Did that team coach themselves?
Ross, on the other hand, was handed a team that had just played in finals 3 years in a row and had some of the best young talent (Riewoldt, Dal Santo, Ball, Montagna, Goddard, Gram, Fisher, Gilbert, Raph Clarke, Kosi) in the comp, most of whom had finals experience, plus the likes of Gehrig, Harvey, Hayes, Milne, Hughton, Baker, Blake.
So for mine, I don't believe there's very much in it.
Some are obviously still carrying a lot of hatred for Thomas around, though, and really ought to get over it, because it was years ago and the hate will eat you alive. If you hate him that much, though, you really ought to talk to him about it, or write him a letter, or find a healthy way of dealing with it.
He was someone who was passionate about his club and did his best under the circumstances, but wasn't perfect. Time to deal with it and move on, surely, unless of course, we're all perfect ourselves.
