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Post: # 1073123Post Devilhead »

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terry smith rules wrote:Seriously cannot believe some of the crap in this post.

Seriously if the situation had been reversed people on here would have been calling for Curnow's head.

It is irrelevant how hard Joey bumped him , it is the principal. You cannot touch a player when he is coming off hurt, it is a clear and simple ruling.

If he goes back on or starts the game strapped, clearly he is able to be bumped.

Like Dawson the week before Joey deserves the week for pure stupidity.

I believe he deserves the week, there was nothing tough about his action, there was nothing sporting.

Players show there courage in dozens of way each week, the game is not soft. Let Joey show his courage and "toughness"if you like in those ways.
your post sums it up perfectly for me....
terry smith rules wrote:If he goes back on or starts the game strapped, clearly he is able to be bumped.
Apparently not!!!


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White Winmar wrote:Hang on a minute P66, did you see how slight the contact was? Nor was it repeated, as in what the lions did to Roo. A week for that? Good grief!
Carlton sent him on the ground, so he was fair game. Wasn't being attended by any trainers at the time
That was later and that is why Kosi didnt get looked at as he shouldnt have.
Kosi didnt get looked at because he hit the wrong shoulder not because he was fair game - you should learn the rules!!


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White Winmar wrote:Hang on a minute P66, did you see how slight the contact was? Nor was it repeated, as in what the lions did to Roo. A week for that? Good grief!
Carlton sent him on the ground, so he was fair game. Wasn't being attended by any trainers at the time
That was later and that is why Kosi didnt get looked at as he shouldnt have.
Kosi didnt get looked at because he hit the wrong shoulder not because he was fair game - you should learn the rules!!
I still have no idea what you are on about. What has Bakes and Kosi got to do with Joey. Going off in your own little world. My opinion is Kosi should not have been looked at. So what If that is wrong. it looks like I am right on Joey though as he got a week. Looks like you are wrong. You should learn the rules.


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AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:I think it's pretty clear he was simply asking you a simple question. It may have been slightly off topic, but it was definitely in the same ballpark and since when do these threads stay 100% on topic?
It seems to me he just wanted to know your point of view on the issue and didn't think it warranted starting a whole new thread, just to do so.
But he says he has cornered me. Love to know how he has done that.
Yes correct APS I wanted to know P66's pov on a certain subject but unfortuantely because it actually shows up the inconsisterncies and general imcompetency of P66's beloved AFL fair and just tribual system he claims not to know what I was talking about or what my point is and then scrambles to desperately use the excuse that I am off topic


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AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:I think it's pretty clear he was simply asking you a simple question. It may have been slightly off topic, but it was definitely in the same ballpark and since when do these threads stay 100% on topic?
It seems to me he just wanted to know your point of view on the issue and didn't think it warranted starting a whole new thread, just to do so.
But he says he has cornered me. Love to know how he has done that.
Yes correct APS I wanted to know P66's pov on a certain subject but unfortuantely because it actually shows up the inconsisterncies and general imcompetency of P66's beloved AFL fair and just tribual system he claims not to know what I was talking about or what my point is and then scrambles to desperately use the excuse that I am off topic
How did it show up inconsistencies because of what I said. Again you are just talking fantasy land stuff. Can you explain that? Or do you have no idea?


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Post: # 1073146Post Enrico_Misso »

Remind me how many weeks Scott got?


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White Winmar wrote:Hang on a minute P66, did you see how slight the contact was? Nor was it repeated, as in what the lions did to Roo. A week for that? Good grief!
Carlton sent him on the ground, so he was fair game. Wasn't being attended by any trainers at the time
That was later and that is why Kosi didnt get looked at as he shouldnt have.
Kosi didnt get looked at because he hit the wrong shoulder not because he was fair game - you should learn the rules!!
I still have no idea what you are on about. What has Bakes and Kosi got to do with Joey. Going off in your own little world. My opinion is Kosi should not have been looked at. So what If that is wrong. it looks like I am right on Joey though as he got a week. Looks like you are wrong. You should learn the rules.
bulls*** my argument has centred around the fact that Joey could have got off if our subservient club had the balls to highlight that the Carlton Medicos ... yes trained medical staff ... after attending to and inspecting Curnow deemed him fit enough to continue playing and return to field -

Quyestion is if Curnow had stayed on the field for the rest of the match and hadn't been subbed off - which could have been very much the case given the Carlton Medicos deemed him fit enough to return - would Joey have been cited???

The answer is NO

What if Curnow plays out the rest of the game but then succumbs to the injury in the last 5 minutes and is subbed off ... what happens then???

The fact Curnow was subbed gave the AFL the ammo to charge Monty if he wasnt then we wouldn't be having this discussion

The AFL are walking a fine line with these decisions and the area is as grey as a London winter's day


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AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:I think it's pretty clear he was simply asking you a simple question. It may have been slightly off topic, but it was definitely in the same ballpark and since when do these threads stay 100% on topic?
It seems to me he just wanted to know your point of view on the issue and didn't think it warranted starting a whole new thread, just to do so.
But he says he has cornered me. Love to know how he has done that.
Yes correct APS I wanted to know P66's pov on a certain subject but unfortuantely because it actually shows up the inconsisterncies and general imcompetency of P66's beloved AFL fair and just tribual system he claims not to know what I was talking about or what my point is and then scrambles to desperately use the excuse that I am off topic
How did it show up inconsistencies because of what I said. Again you are just talking fantasy land stuff. Can you explain that? Or do you have no idea?
I showed up the AFL's inconsistencies because of my argument not because of what you said .... it's not all about you P66! :(


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Post: # 1073209Post SaintDippa »

Can I suggest that this week there will be ... say 10 incidents where players are crunched and get up holding an arm, shoulder, hip, back ...... etc. At what stage does the MRP judge the player is 'injured'. If an opposition decides to 'test him out' and the player then proceeds to leave the ground will the opposition player be cited? No. Otherwise we will have half a dozen cases every week.

Joey probably only knew the extent of the injury when he was subbed off and regretted his action then.

Let's watch this week and see how many 'injured' players get tested. 'injured' in the definition of Dimetriou's puppets, the MRP.


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Apparently according to a Hawks supporter mate, they are practicing tackling low at Hawthorn as a way to injure players and some tunnelling has been rehearsed with the intention of being once more unsociable. Don't laugh, one of our guys will get done in, Franklin or Hodge will kick them while on the ground injured but the media will have run their circus last week and will be looking elsewhere. Seriously I'm still bemused that captain cheapshot and his simpleton mate (Archer and Scott) have the balls to come out and bag another player. Archer was from an era where running through a player was tough. He was the most hyped up mythologised player ever. A GOP in a good team who's only claim to fame was hitting forwards hard when they were in the act of marking. Cheap shot scum that is so full of free mazdas and pies that he has turned into football's Derryn Hinch.


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gringo wrote:Apparently according to a Hawks supporter mate, they are practicing tackling low at Hawthorn as a way to injure players and some tunnelling has been rehearsed with the intention of being once more unsociable. Don't laugh, one of our guys will get done in, Franklin or Hodge will kick them while on the ground injured but the media will have run their circus last week and will be looking elsewhere. Seriously I'm still bemused that captain cheapshot and his simpleton mate (Archer and Scott) have the balls to come out and bag another player. Archer was from an era where running through a player was tough. He was the most hyped up mythologised player ever. A GOP in a good team who's only claim to fame was hitting forwards hard when they were in the act of marking. Cheap shot scum that is so full of free mazdas and pies that he has turned into football's Derryn Hinch.
All of that post is funny. All of it.


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Thinline wrote:I was aggrieved as a loyalist at the time, but Michael and Scott are not doctors and it was at the time a pretty hot game.

Besides, Roo was doubled over in glaringly serious discomfort after an awkward fall and was otherwise stumbling for and/or signoalling the bench.

Curnow was walking around in circles looking confused.

Surely there's an inherent difference.
you're wrong about one thing and right about another
Roo copped two impacts to the shoulder. He stayed on after the first & it was the second time he had to go off & that was when the the "gang" bumping started as he headed toward the interchange.
You are right about curnow looking dazed and confused, but in just the same respect he was doubled up clutching his shoulder and heading away from the contest to the interchange

devilhead surely you are being flippant or just need to read up on the rules. GO off the field of play via the boundary & not the interchange rules you out for the remainder of the match (or if stretchered a mandatory 20min bench time)
Roo was a long time ago so I'm not surprised. Even so, I maintain that common sense dictates that Roo was CLEARLY aggrieved and otherwise looked like his arm was hanging by a thread. OBVIOUSLY he was hurting. DUBIOUSLY he was whacked. And whacked pretty hard too.

Montagna's circumstances were far less clear and the contact was inconsequential.

IMO Curnow was running around in circles unsure whether to man up, get a drink, winded, confused, looking for his skipper, lopoking for a trainer, wondering which way was north or which way was south, any number of things.

Now if we as people either at the ground or watching on TV can't come to a reasonable conclusion as to what was going on with him, how on earth can we expect a player to ponder on-field circumstances as lawyer would in a jury trial?

Common sense out the window. Stupid knee jerk decision from an overly powerful/sensitive/market conscious administration whose corporate deadshittery was this morning confirmed by Anderson slipping out a 'please explain' to Melbourne because their players had the audacity to query the dictator's findings in circumstances where there was quite clear and ample public debate about the issue.

This sort of AFL arbitrary decision making is unfair and, realistically, bloody immature.

It's f****** footy. Grey is okay. Quit micro-managing. It's driving me up the bloody wall! And believe me when you live in a one paper town where there's an AFL stooge at the helm of a new local club, you get sick of 'brand management' impinging on football pretty goddam quick!


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Enrico_Misso wrote:Remind me how many weeks Scott got?
Chris Scott and Mal Michael got ZERO weeks for bumping Roo. The rules have since been changed

Brad Scott got weeks zero for slinging Lenny Hayes into the fence, breaking his hand. The rules have since been changed

Trent West from Geelong got zero weeks for a hit on Xavier Clarke. The rules have since been changed

Daniel Giansericusa got zero weeks for a hit on Kosi. The rules have since been changed

And for a bit of balance;

Aaron Hamill got zero weeks for a sling tackle on Jay Schultz. The rules have since been changed

The rules have been changed to make the game safer for the players. Nothing more, nothing less !!


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Eastern wrote:
Enrico_Misso wrote:Remind me how many weeks Scott got?
Chris Scott and Mal Michael got ZERO weeks for bumping Roo. The rules have since been changed

Brad Scott got weeks zero for slinging Lenny Hayes into the fence, breaking his hand. The rules have since been changed

Trent West from Geelong got zero weeks for a hit on Xavier Clarke. The rules have since been changed

Daniel Giansericusa got zero weeks for a hit on Kosi. The rules have since been changed

And for a bit of balance;

Aaron Hamill got zero weeks for a sling tackle on Jay Schultz. The rules have since been changed

The rules have been changed to make the game safer for the players. Nothing more, nothing less !!
'bout sums it up.....i can't for the life of work out how that flog robbo could stick up for that melbourne player who slammed his opponent into the ground whilst at the same time grimly hanging on to the only hand and arm that he could use to protect himself......


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Eastern wrote: The rules have been changed to make the game safer for the players. Nothing more, nothing less !!
So when will they stop?

The most dangerous thing in footy is standing in front of a pack and having a bloke drive his knee into you whilst legally and legitimately trying to take a mark.


This situation, is the only situation that has nearly killed a player in the AFL - and it's happened twice.

If they're serious about protecting players, they must ban the speccy or any contact with a knee to the back.


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stinger wrote:
Eastern wrote:
Enrico_Misso wrote:Remind me how many weeks Scott got?
Chris Scott and Mal Michael got ZERO weeks for bumping Roo. The rules have since been changed

Brad Scott got weeks zero for slinging Lenny Hayes into the fence, breaking his hand. The rules have since been changed

Trent West from Geelong got zero weeks for a hit on Xavier Clarke. The rules have since been changed

Daniel Giansericusa got zero weeks for a hit on Kosi. The rules have since been changed

And for a bit of balance;

Aaron Hamill got zero weeks for a sling tackle on Jay Schultz. The rules have since been changed

The rules have been changed to make the game safer for the players. Nothing more, nothing less !!
'bout sums it up.....i can't for the life of work out how that flog robbo could stick up for that melbourne player who slammed his opponent into the ground whilst at the same time grimly hanging on to the only hand and arm that he could use to protect himself......
I thought the rule was that you can't pin a bloke's arms and drive him into the ground.

Dangerfield had a free arm. The Melbourne player only had one of his arms.


Him being reported for it, and suspended for it is the biggest disgrace since the several Steven Baker debacles.


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Thinline wrote:
sunsaint wrote:
Thinline wrote:I was aggrieved as a loyalist at the time, but Michael and Scott are not doctors and it was at the time a pretty hot game.

Besides, Roo was doubled over in glaringly serious discomfort after an awkward fall and was otherwise stumbling for and/or signoalling the bench.

Curnow was walking around in circles looking confused.

Surely there's an inherent difference.
you're wrong about one thing and right about another
Roo copped two impacts to the shoulder. He stayed on after the first & it was the second time he had to go off & that was when the the "gang" bumping started as he headed toward the interchange.
You are right about curnow looking dazed and confused, but in just the same respect he was doubled up clutching his shoulder and heading away from the contest to the interchange

devilhead surely you are being flippant or just need to read up on the rules. GO off the field of play via the boundary & not the interchange rules you out for the remainder of the match (or if stretchered a mandatory 20min bench time)
Roo was a long time ago so I'm not surprised. Even so, I maintain that common sense dictates that Roo was CLEARLY aggrieved and otherwise looked like his arm was hanging by a thread. OBVIOUSLY he was hurting. DUBIOUSLY he was whacked. And whacked pretty hard too.

Montagna's circumstances were far less clear and the contact was inconsequential.

IMO Curnow was running around in circles unsure whether to man up, get a drink, winded, confused, looking for his skipper, lopoking for a trainer, wondering which way was north or which way was south, any number of things.

Now if we as people either at the ground or watching on TV can't come to a reasonable conclusion as to what was going on with him, how on earth can we expect a player to ponder on-field circumstances as lawyer would in a jury trial?


Common sense out the window. Stupid knee jerk decision from an overly powerful/sensitive/market conscious administration whose corporate deadshittery was this morning confirmed by Anderson slipping out a 'please explain' to Melbourne because their players had the audacity to query the dictator's findings in circumstances where there was quite clear and ample public debate about the issue.

This sort of AFL arbitrary decision making is unfair and, realistically, bloody immature.

It's f****** footy. Grey is okay. Quit micro-managing. It's driving me up the bloody wall! And believe me when you live in a one paper town where there's an AFL stooge at the helm of a new local club, you get sick of 'brand management' impinging on football pretty goddam quick!
I disagree. You have described the situation well. The fact he may have looked disorientated should tell you something. I think it was more than clear that he was injured. He was hunched over holding his shoulder - how much clearer does it need to be? I knew straight away watching at home that he was injured, and then when Joey bumped him (albeit very lightly) I knew he would be in trouble. Was very silly of him.

Let's run another scenario - a playeris left winded/hurt after a contested pack situation. The player is on his haunches/doubled over trying to get his bearings. Do you run into him? I say no and I reckon the AFL do as well. This counters Devilheads argument I think. Regardless of what the medico's deemed once he did come off - he appeared injured, therefore he is to be left alone.

As for what Kosi did - it appears that the AFL have taken a dim view on that as well and that he only got off b/c he hit the wrong shoulder. I say that is utter crap. Once a player has been examined and sent back out, he is 100% fit as far as I'm concerned, and should have to put up with as much physicality (on and off the ball) as every other player running around. What they are obviously worried about is the image of players targeting injuries, preying around them like vultures. I say bad luck, that's sport at this level. If the viewing public don't like it, they can watch lawn bowls


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Moods wrote: I think it was more than clear that he was injured. He was hunched over holding his shoulder - how much clearer does it need to be? I knew straight away watching at home that he was injured,
Well you were wrong.

The doctors declared him fit and able to play footy. He wasn't injured at all.

He was hurt, but unless you know more from your lounge room than professional sports doctors at the ground do, you were rong about him being injured.


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Moods wrote: Let's run another scenario - a playeris left winded/hurt after a contested pack situation. The player is on his haunches/doubled over trying to get his bearings. Do you run into him? I say no and I reckon the AFL do as well. This counters Devilheads argument I think. Regardless of what the medico's deemed once he did come off - he appeared injured, therefore he is to be left alone.
There was a scenario in a grand final once when a player was in the hands of the trainers, but pushed them away just in time to take the mark that won the match.

What happens then? The bloke who is 'injured' gets a free run at the contest.


As usual, the AFL have stuffed up. A simple and logical rule has been made difficult by the rocket scientists down at AFL house.

Joey's was barely a bump, and the bloke wasn't even injured. Surely you can't give a bloke a week off for that?


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Post: # 1073418Post fingers »

I reckon Joey knew he was injured or would have given him a fair dinkum bump.


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fingers wrote:I reckon Joey knew he was injured or would have given him a fair dinkum bump.
Exactly! Blind bias is completely clouding many ppl's judgement on here.

And Johnny M - I wasn't wrong - Curnow is out for a month with a shoulder sprain. The doctors were wrong/incompetent. I might have to start txting through my injury prognosis to the carlton bench for a fee :wink:


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Moods wrote: Let's run another scenario - a playeris left winded/hurt after a contested pack situation. The player is on his haunches/doubled over trying to get his bearings. Do you run into him? I say no and I reckon the AFL do as well. This counters Devilheads argument I think. Regardless of what the medico's deemed once he did come off - he appeared injured, therefore he is to be left alone.
There was a scenario in a grand final once when a player was in the hands of the trainers, but pushed them away just in time to take the mark that won the match.

What happens then? The bloke who is 'injured' gets a free run at the contest.



As usual, the AFL have stuffed up. A simple and logical rule has been made difficult by the rocket scientists down at AFL house.

Joey's was barely a bump, and the bloke wasn't even injured. Surely you can't give a bloke a week off for that?
You're right - blokes in the hands of the trainers should be fair game too. In fact I've seen blokes carried off on stretchers who have come back on the ground. How do we really know they're injured? Let's run through them as well. Common sense should just be thrown away.


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Moods wrote:
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Moods wrote: Let's run another scenario - a playeris left winded/hurt after a contested pack situation. The player is on his haunches/doubled over trying to get his bearings. Do you run into him? I say no and I reckon the AFL do as well. This counters Devilheads argument I think. Regardless of what the medico's deemed once he did come off - he appeared injured, therefore he is to be left alone.
There was a scenario in a grand final once when a player was in the hands of the trainers, but pushed them away just in time to take the mark that won the match.

What happens then? The bloke who is 'injured' gets a free run at the contest.



As usual, the AFL have stuffed up. A simple and logical rule has been made difficult by the rocket scientists down at AFL house.

Joey's was barely a bump, and the bloke wasn't even injured. Surely you can't give a bloke a week off for that?
You're right - blokes in the hands of the trainers should be fair game too. In fact I've seen blokes carried off on stretchers who have come back on the ground. How do we really know they're injured? Let's run through them as well. Common sense should just be thrown away.
No, I actually believe common sense is what's missing from the rule and the Joey suspension.

The idea behind any rule, should be really simple. And it usually is. What complicates the whole thing is that the AFL and the umpires forget why the rule was introduced, and they then set about over-enforcing it and being overly technical with it.

The rule is to protect players who are hurt, and can't defend themselves. If interpreted that way, Joey's was clearly not worthy of a suspension.

If a bloke's on a stretcher, or actually receiving medical attention, and the contact adds to the injury or prevents him from getting medical attention - then sure, suspend the bloke.
But jesus, Joey barely touched him and the guy came back on.

Common sense tells me, that surely it's not worthy of a suspension as it in no way did any of the things that the rule was introduced to prevent.


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Post: # 1073432Post Leo.J »

Yet again the AFL make an example of the clubs that are financially vunerable.

They know that we'll roll over every time.

Good on the Dees for appealing the charge, it's a joke imo.

They'll regret it when next years fixture comes out though.


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