Whats all this BS

[joffaboy]

About the emergencies?

Fair dinkum, some of the comment I've read are ridiculous. "The most exciting since 2001" - FFS gve me a break

Apart from a small group of people, nobody has seen them play. Just because they are young doesn't mean they are any good.

Geary
Eddy
Stanley
Archer
Lynch

have all proved not to be up to AFL standard, but some people go moist because young ones are getting a go.

It smacks of desperation.

I am not saying these players cant play (and at least three of the above could still make it in the AFl), I wouldn't know, but the expectation is too way way too high.

A bit of perspective please

[saintslegendLH]

About the emergencies?

Fair dinkum, some of the comment I've read are ridiculous. "The most exciting since 2001" - FFS gve me a break

Apart from a small group of people, nobody has seen them play. Just because they are young doesn't mean they are any good.

Geary
Eddy
Stanley
Archer
Lynch

have all proved not to be up to AFL standard, but some people go moist because young ones are getting a go.

It smacks of desperation.

I am not saying these players cant play (and at least three of the above could still make it in the AFl), I wouldn't know, but the expectation is too way way too high.

A bit of perspective please

so archer and lynch can't play afl football, after one game each??, yeah great work joffa...... most exciting emergancies some might say is because all three of them are dangerous, classy, runners who are playing well in the vfl and have a alot of potential

[matrix]

siposs
good to see him named
hopefully looking good for next year as a perm in the 22

[joffaboy]

About the emergencies?

Fair dinkum, some of the comment I've read are ridiculous. "The most exciting since 2001" - FFS gve me a break

Apart from a small group of people, nobody has seen them play. Just because they are young doesn't mean they are any good.

Geary
Eddy
Stanley
Archer
Lynch

have all proved not to be up to AFL standard, but some people go moist because young ones are getting a go.

It smacks of desperation.

I am not saying these players cant play (and at least three of the above could still make it in the AFl), I wouldn't know, but the expectation is too way way too high.

A bit of perspective please

so archer and lynch can't play afl football, after one game each??, yeah great work joffa...... most exciting emergancies some might say is because all three of them are dangerous, classy, runners who are playing well in the vfl and have a alot of potential

Read the Op before you make a comment - which part of this - (and at least three of the above could still make it in the AFL) didn't you understand?

Have you seen them play? Dangerous classy runners hey? Who would know?

I hope they absolutely blitz the AFl and are absolute sensations, but my point is that this desperate grab for somebody, anybody, usually ends in dissappointment.

For season bj was canned on here, so was Sam Fisher. The expectation just becuae they are young is just plain dumb.

I want to see ALL of our players go well, but the young players brought in, apart from Steven have been less than ordinary.

[lefty]

I think Geary will make it fine, and give Stanley a break, ffs he's what... 20 yrs old?

[BigMart]

There not even playing....in fact i would rather them not named so the ply two to get more game time....

Ross could name josh dicketts as an emerg....who cares...what weight does that carry...

Armo was an emerg for the last two gf's.....cant remember him getting too many kicks.......even though condition suited, but thats another argument...

Emergancies ....... Who GAF

[kosifantutti23]

About the emergencies?

Fair dinkum, some of the comment I've read are ridiculous. "The most exciting since 2001" - FFS gve me a break

Where did you read this? In a specific thread? Why not post it in there because it makes no sense on it's own.

[Sainternist]

"The most exciting since 2001"

Is that expression referring to Kubrick's adaptation or the actual year?

The the lead up to the 2001 season was electric. Blighty becomes new coach, Hamill leaves Carlton to join us, G-Train arrives on platform 9, Roo and Kosi the new acquisitions. It was all set to be bigger than Ben Hur, but ended up with about as much critical acclaim as Kevin Costner's Waterworld

[Solar]

About the emergencies?

Fair dinkum, some of the comment I've read are ridiculous. "The most exciting since 2001" - FFS gve me a break

Apart from a small group of people, nobody has seen them play. Just because they are young doesn't mean they are any good.

Geary
Eddy
Stanley
Archer
Lynch

have all proved not to be up to AFL standard, but some people go moist because young ones are getting a go.

It smacks of desperation.

I am not saying these players cant play (and at least three of the above could still make it in the AFl), I wouldn't know, but the expectation is too way way too high.

A bit of perspective please

JB, respect you alot but please don't take my post out of context.

Never said they were going to be of AFL standard right, let alone stars. All I said was there were th most exciting three I have seen as youngsters since roo, dal and kosi.

Winmar just understands the game, has AFL level speed and uses the ball very well. Cripps looks all class and has speed. Sipposs knows where to find the ball as a medium tall and kicks goals.

So yes, I am excited. We have young (18-20 year olds) who are quick, skilful. One is a forward that has a lovely kick at goal. They tick all the boxes I want to see us develop in the next 24 months.

Along with ledger and johnson I just believe they have come through quicker then I ever expected.

So please, think before you post.

[bigred]

Winmar just understands the game, has AFL level speed and uses the ball very well. Cripps looks all class and has speed. Sipposs knows where to find the ball as a medium tall and kicks goals.

Add Ledger to that group.

To be honest I am not sure on Winmar yet. Seen him @ Sandy a couple of times and am not sold...But its early.

I reckon they are just using the emergency slot as a reward. Dangling the carrot in front of these blokes to show them the opportunity is there. How many times in the past two years have we even used an emergency?

These kids are not the immediate fix, but they most definitely are the future. Ledger still has to string two games together in the magoos before even being considered.

Whats the deal with the emergencies this week anyway? Will they all travel? They all should be playing for Sandy this week IMO. If they are that "close" to a game......

[Johnny Member]

I think people believe that in order to win the flag, as recent history suggests, you need a young guy to burst onto the scene and have a genuinely good season.

It can take a good team to the next level.

Selwood, Rioli, Beams/Sidebottom etc.


So I think that's why Saints fans are excited/clutching at the hope that one of our young guys might be that player.

And until they play, we'll never know!


I still think the best and only way to blood kids is to slot one or two of them into a settled and mature team that is playing decent footy.

[saintspremiers]

Fair Dinkum JB get a clue!

Winmar will play 345 games, win 8 B&F's and 4 norm smiths

Sippos will only play 256 games and Cripps will sneak close to Harvs and play a mere 305 games.

THAT is why we are all excited!

[The Fireman]

Nothing to get excited about here....move on people.

[Saints43]

About the emergencies?

Fair dinkum, some of the comment I've read are ridiculous. "The most exciting since 2001" - FFS gve me a break

Where did you read this? In a specific thread? Why not post it in there because it makes no sense on it's own.

Because he was pissed off his nut when he posted it?

[bergholt]

I still think the best and only way to blood kids is to slot one or two of them into a settled and mature team that is playing decent footy.

where are we going to find one of those?

[matrix]

solar actually posted it in another thread

[joffaboy]

solar actually posted it in another thread

Exactly - sorry to the usual trolls that it was an actual post

Three kids - the most exciting since 2001 - geez no expectations there.

[Johnny Member]

I still think the best and only way to blood kids is to slot one or two of them into a settled and mature team that is playing decent footy.

where are we going to find one of those?

Hopefully in the next month!

[joffaboy]

JB, respect you alot but please don't take my post out of context.

totally in context

Never said they were going to be of AFL standard right, let alone stars. All I said was there were th most exciting three I have seen as youngsters since roo, dal and kosi.

So bj, joey, Sam Fisher etc were no good? Goodness me. I would rate those three in a group ahead of roo dal and kosi.

Winmar just understands the game

So does Dempster, but he is average

has AFL level speed and uses the ball very well.

what does AFL speed mean? Do you have to be Ushain Bolt to play AFL? Maybe Lenny and bj should retire right now.

Uses the ball well? Under what type of pressure? Never played an AFL game. Most players use the ball well in training drills or second tier competitions, but it usually falls to pieces under AFL pressure.

Cripps looks all class and has speed. Sipposs knows where to find the ball as a medium tall and kicks goals.

Again under what type of pressure?

Not knocking any of these kids - I hope they all absolutely kill the AFL, absolutely turn into out and out champions, but this expectation is really OTT.

So yes, I am excited. We have young (18-20 year olds) who are quick, skilful.

All clubs have young guys at that age with the same attributes, and most went well before picks #24, #32 and whatever Aaron Sipposs went at.

Still dp position means not that much. Many a top ten pick has been a dud while a 40's pick (like Joey) has become a very good player.

One is a forward that has a lovely kick at goal. They tick all the boxes I want to see us develop in the next 24 months.

They tick all the boxes except they haven't played one second of AFL football.

Along with ledger and johnson I just believe they have come through quicker then I ever expected.

Possibly true. One of the advantages of our relative succes over the past few years is that our young dps haven't been rushed into the team, can learn their trade in the reserves and may not need the 50 -70 AFL games to become regulars - however I would look more at players like Lynch, Heyne, Simkin for this - and we can see the benefits in Steven, Armo, Mcevoy, and even Smith all looking like they can compete in an AFL atmosphere.

So please, think before you post.

I'm not the one comparing them to roo, dal, or kosi - you are.

All I ask is to keep the expectations at a sensible level, and it wasn't just you solar, it may have been unfair to single out your quote, but it was a number of posters here with unreal expectations just because they are new names.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

I think people believe that in order to win the flag, as recent history suggests, you need a young guy to burst onto the scene and have a genuinely good season.

It can take a good team to the next level.

Selwood, Rioli, Beams/Sidebottom etc.


So I think that's why Saints fans are excited/clutching at the hope that one of our young guys might be that player.

And until they play, we'll never know!


I still think the best and only way to blood kids is to slot one or two of them into a settled and mature team that is playing decent footy.

Perception v reality - need 1st year performance to win the flag? Maybe the bigger picture is more important than the youthful flair...

Neither Beams, nor Sidebottom made their debut's in 2010. Collingwood actually only played one debutant through 2010 (Blair). They did have career best seasons from a number of players though. Swan, Pendlebury and Thomas all put up career highs, none of them kids. They added Luke Ball and Darren Jolly, and they did this from an already top 4 position.

Selwood had a great rookie year. Alongside that, Bartel won a Brownlow medal with career highs (at the time) in every indicator, Joel Corey also reached a new level. Steve Johnson lifted his average possession count by 5, and Gary Ablett Jr lifted his by 10. Selwood is and was a key piece of their midfield, but to suggest his emergence sets a pattern of a "need" for a winning side is a stretch.

Rioli's probably the closest example of the 4 to actually supporting the case. Hawthorn needed a quick small forward to apply chase and force opposition sides to run into the cluster, and Rioli fell into their lap, he'd go on to fill a unique role in the premiership side which nobody else on their list could have. However, as with Geelong in '07, the list of guys putting up career numbers is long: Franklin, Roughead, Sewell, Lewis, Bateman, Young, Birchall. Hawthorn also implemented an innovative defensive strategy which the rest of the AFL was unable to counter.

What I believe looking at the last 4 premiers suggests is nothing to do with exciting youth - a subjective accolade deserved by the players without the suggested pressure of kids being the premiership key. What needs to happen is a cross the board improvement, from your best as well as your youngest.

Frankly, as I think it's unlikely this crop proves to be of the level of 2001, unless our senior players step up, I can't get any excitement going for a youth movement.

[GrumpyOne]

I reckon they are just using the emergency slot as a reward. Dangling the carrot in front of these blokes to show them the opportunity is there.

+1

[Solar]

solar actually posted it in another thread

Exactly - sorry to the usual trolls that it was an actual post

Three kids - the most exciting since 2001 - geez no expectations there.

says more about the young players in the past 10 years. Never said they will be the best since 2001. Just pointing out how excited they make me... sheesh

Nah bugger it, each will play 300+ gmes nd win 14 flags

[Solar]

JB, respect you alot but please don't take my post out of context.

totally in context

Never said they were going to be of AFL standard right, let alone stars. All I said was there were th most exciting three I have seen as youngsters since roo, dal and kosi.

So bj, joey, Sam Fisher etc were no good? Goodness me. I would rate those three in a group ahead of roo dal and kosi.

Winmar just understands the game

So does Dempster, but he is average

has AFL level speed and uses the ball very well.

what does AFL speed mean? Do you have to be Ushain Bolt to play AFL? Maybe Lenny and bj should retire right now.

Uses the ball well? Under what type of pressure? Never played an AFL game. Most players use the ball well in training drills or second tier competitions, but it usually falls to pieces under AFL pressure.

Cripps looks all class and has speed. Sipposs knows where to find the ball as a medium tall and kicks goals.

Again under what type of pressure?

Not knocking any of these kids - I hope they all absolutely kill the AFL, absolutely turn into out and out champions, but this expectation is really OTT.

So yes, I am excited. We have young (18-20 year olds) who are quick, skilful.

All clubs have young guys at that age with the same attributes, and most went well before picks #24, #32 and whatever Aaron Sipposs went at.

Still dp position means not that much. Many a top ten pick has been a dud while a 40's pick (like Joey) has become a very good player.

One is a forward that has a lovely kick at goal. They tick all the boxes I want to see us develop in the next 24 months.

They tick all the boxes except they haven't played one second of AFL football.

Along with ledger and johnson I just believe they have come through quicker then I ever expected.

Possibly true. One of the advantages of our relative succes over the past few years is that our young dps haven't been rushed into the team, can learn their trade in the reserves and may not need the 50 -70 AFL games to become regulars - however I would look more at players like Lynch, Heyne, Simkin for this - and we can see the benefits in Steven, Armo, Mcevoy, and even Smith all looking like they can compete in an AFL atmosphere.

So please, think before you post.

I'm not the one comparing them to roo, dal, or kosi - you are.

All I ask is to keep the expectations at a sensible level, and it wasn't just you solar, it may have been unfair to single out your quote, but it was a number of posters here with unreal expectations just because they are new names.

fair calls. Never said they are even close to what roo, kosi and dal etc. looked like but expressing that it's the most excited about a crop of youngsters in a long time. The fact that they MAY be knocking on the door after only a season or two shows that they have progressed.

Don't expect them to show anything too much in the next year or so but still excited about their talent.

[Middo]

JB, respect you alot but please don't take my post out of context.

totally in context

Never said they were going to be of AFL standard right, let alone stars. All I said was there were th most exciting three I have seen as youngsters since roo, dal and kosi.

So bj, joey, Sam Fisher etc were no good? Goodness me. I would rate those three in a group ahead of roo dal and kosi.

Winmar just understands the game

So does Dempster, but he is average

has AFL level speed and uses the ball very well.

what does AFL speed mean? Do you have to be Ushain Bolt to play AFL? Maybe Lenny and bj should retire right now.

Uses the ball well? Under what type of pressure? Never played an AFL game. Most players use the ball well in training drills or second tier competitions, but it usually falls to pieces under AFL pressure.

Cripps looks all class and has speed. Sipposs knows where to find the ball as a medium tall and kicks goals.

Again under what type of pressure?

Not knocking any of these kids - I hope they all absolutely kill the AFL, absolutely turn into out and out champions, but this expectation is really OTT.

So yes, I am excited. We have young (18-20 year olds) who are quick, skilful.

All clubs have young guys at that age with the same attributes, and most went well before picks #24, #32 and whatever Aaron Sipposs went at.

Still dp position means not that much. Many a top ten pick has been a dud while a 40's pick (like Joey) has become a very good player.

One is a forward that has a lovely kick at goal. They tick all the boxes I want to see us develop in the next 24 months.

They tick all the boxes except they haven't played one second of AFL football.

Along with ledger and johnson I just believe they have come through quicker then I ever expected.

Possibly true. One of the advantages of our relative succes over the past few years is that our young dps haven't been rushed into the team, can learn their trade in the reserves and may not need the 50 -70 AFL games to become regulars - however I would look more at players like Lynch, Heyne, Simkin for this - and we can see the benefits in Steven, Armo, Mcevoy, and even Smith all looking like they can compete in an AFL atmosphere.

So please, think before you post.

I'm not the one comparing them to roo, dal, or kosi - you are.

All I ask is to keep the expectations at a sensible level, and it wasn't just you solar, it may have been unfair to single out your quote, but it was a number of posters here with unreal expectations just because they are new names.

fair calls. Never said they are even close to what roo, kosi and dal etc. looked like but expressing that it's the most excited about a crop of youngsters in a long time. The fact that they MAY be knocking on the door after only a season or two shows that they have progressed.

Don't expect them to show anything too much in the next year or so but still excited about their talent.

Backpeddle of the highest .... stick to your guns !!! It's an opinion ..

[meher baba]

JB, I'm with you 150%.

I strongly suspect Cripps, Winmar, Ledger, Siposs, etc. are a way off AFL and I would be disturbed if any of them were to play at a critical part of the season when we remain a reasonable chance of making the finals.

Johnson making his debut is enough excitement for me. On the basis of his NAB Cup form he looks like a player. Good luck young feller.

The Cult of the young player we have never actually seen" is just as silly as the Cult of trade week ("my favourite week of the season" as one misguided onetime regular on here used to put it).

At least we don't hear so much about trade week any more: The Lovett saga put paid to that!