Baker, Koschitzke, McQualter in for Saints!

joffaboy · Post: # 1062899Post **joffaboy** » Wed 20 Apr 2011 8:30pm

skeptic wrote:And for the record JB, Steven had a better game VS the Bombers than any of 3 aforementioned players have had all season

Well for the record I though Steven was terrible.

skeptic · Post: # 1062907Post **skeptic** » Wed 20 Apr 2011 8:38pm

joffaboy wrote:
skeptic wrote:And for the record JB, Steven had a better game VS the Bombers than any of 3 aforementioned players have had all season
Well for the record I though Steven was terrible.

How did you rate Jones and Dempster?

Little Dozer · Wed 20 Apr 2011 8:46pm

Dempster is a joke of a footballer, the fact he has a medal is no argument, hell Cameron Looney has 3. Armitage for example was apparently warmed up and suited ready to play in the 09' GF. That day was perfect for his in-and-under, hard-tackling game. The fact he didn't play behind players such as Dempster is a disgrace.

PJ · Post: # 1062920Post PJ » Wed 20 Apr 2011 8:48pm

Excellent news I want to see if we can work with the 3 talls - Rhys, Kosi and Bigboy. I'd prefer that kosi did the bulk of the rucking but go boys give em hell.

mad saint guy · Wed 20 Apr 2011 9:42pm

Think we might struggle for run in this game. Good to see Smith and Steven hold their spots, but I'm not certain about having the 3 ruck/forwards and disappointed that we've got the four stoppers (Jones, Baker, Dempster, McQualter) in the side again; there is only room for one, if any of those players.

Stanley may effectively be taking over Gamble's spot. It's not like his defensive pressure could be any worse so we won't lose out from having him forward, we might just be lacking some running players. Gilbert, Gram and Ray need to step up with none of Hayes, Peake or Raph playing (who all do drive the ball forward from the midfield and defence).

I understand the way of thinking begin not selecting Winmar or Cripps; both are a fair way off physically being able to hold their own, but I'm still disappointed that Jones and Dempster have held their spot despite deplorable form. I do look forward to seeing McEvoy, Armitage, Smith, Steven and Stanley all put in a position with a decent amount of responsibility, and not just being a kid who gets to fill in for a week while a senior player is out.

jays · Post: # 1062962Post **jays** » Wed 20 Apr 2011 9:47pm

might work out ok for us i hope

dcstkfc · Post: # 1062973Post **dcstkfc** » Wed 20 Apr 2011 9:50pm

Little Dozer wrote:Dempster is a joke of a footballer, the fact he has a medal is no argument, hell Cameron Looney has 3. Armitage for example was apparently warmed up and suited ready to play in the 09' GF. That day was perfect for his in-and-under, hard-tackling game. The fact he didn't play behind players such as Dempster is a disgrace.

You still haven't given me any proof that Baker is finished

The Fireman · Wed 20 Apr 2011 10:05pm

Little Dozer wrote:Dempster is a joke of a footballer, the fact he has a medal is no argument, hell Cameron Looney has 3. Armitage for example was apparently warmed up and suited ready to play in the 09' GF. That day was perfect for his in-and-under, hard-tackling game. The fact he didn't play behind players such as Dempster is a disgrace.

Anyone who can get a kick at AFL level cannot be a joke of a footballer.
Dempster is below par , so is Raph , Peake...(Raph may improve over time) RL has to make some tough and radical decisions to kick start this group back into action.

BigMart · Post: # 1062996Post **BigMart** » Wed 20 Apr 2011 10:22pm

Exactly how much time does raph need.....and why does he get until 26 to develop.....thats 8 years in the system.....

SaintSimmo · Wed 20 Apr 2011 10:40pm

mad saint guy wrote:Think we might struggle for run in this game. Good to see Smith and Steven hold their spots, but I'm not certain about having the 3 ruck/forwards and disappointed that we've got the four stoppers (Jones, Baker, Dempster, McQualter) in the side again; there is only room for one, if any of those players.

Stanley may effectively be taking over Gamble's spot. It's not like his defensive pressure could be any worse so we won't lose out from having him forward, we might just be lacking some running players. Gilbert, Gram and Ray need to step up with none of Hayes, Peake or Raph playing (who all do drive the ball forward from the midfield and defence).

I understand the way of thinking begin not selecting Winmar or Cripps; both are a fair way off physically being able to hold their own, but I'm still disappointed that Jones and Dempster have held their spot despite deplorable form. I do look forward to seeing McEvoy, Armitage, Smith, Steven and Stanley all put in a position with a decent amount of responsibility, and not just being a kid who gets to fill in for a week while a senior player is out.

Problem is the way we got to three grand finals was in this tough, tackling, defensive footy and players such as Jones, Dempster, McQualter and to a lesser extent Baker are these types of footballers, This is what fustrates me is people on here that are so focused on playing kids and attack more when the reality is our current game plan is very defensive and requires big mature bodies, and no matter what we try we can not play attacking footy that will get us to the 2011 grand final, the truth is we could try to play attacking footy but we wouldn't win enough games.

PJ · Post: # 1063052Post PJ » Wed 20 Apr 2011 11:12pm

Really think on paper most teams have gone past us now...

It always seems that way when you are losing. As soon as they start hitting form there'll be the "of course we knew they'd come good..." lines coming out from the true believers mouths.

Little Dozer · Wed 20 Apr 2011 11:48pm

The Fireman wrote:
Little Dozer wrote:Dempster is a joke of a footballer, the fact he has a medal is no argument, hell Cameron Looney has 3. Armitage for example was apparently warmed up and suited ready to play in the 09' GF. That day was perfect for his in-and-under, hard-tackling game. The fact he didn't play behind players such as Dempster is a disgrace.
Anyone who can get a kick at AFL level cannot be a joke of a footballer.
Dempster is below par , so is Raph , Peake...(Raph may improve over time) RL has to make some tough and radical decisions to kick start this group back into action.

Raph may improve over time? How much more, he's had a fair old go, clearly not good enough. He's a much better player than Dempster though, which is saying something.

Con Gorozidis · Thu 21 Apr 2011 12:29am

Junction Oval wrote:My guess is that Dempster is doing a pre-determined role each week and the match committee are happy with what he is delivering.

the old secret role. the one that involves fumbling and sh*t kicks. shhhh. dont tell the other sides our secret cunning gameplan. they might get wind of it. hushhh.

Iceman234 · Thu 21 Apr 2011 12:35am

Con Gorozidis wrote:
Junction Oval wrote:My guess is that Dempster is doing a pre-determined role each week and the match committee are happy with what he is delivering.
the old secret role. the one that involves fumbling and sh*t kicks. shhhh. dont tell the other sides our secret cunning gameplan. they might get wind of it. hushhh.

bobmurray · Thu 21 Apr 2011 12:39am

plugger66 wrote:
oakleighboy wrote:Pissarro selections
No guts
No vision
No balls
Too old
Retire baker
Sack selection committettee
They can all rack off
Loser.

Is this the same poster with an alter ego ?

matrix · Post: # 1063111Post **matrix** » Thu 21 Apr 2011 1:08am

im sure i remember seeing ross say in one of the press conf this season that jones did ok as he was given a role, he was basically saying a few names that he thought did well...so im guessing following instructions?

dunno
maybe players get selected to do roles and they achieve things that maybe we dont see, or stats depending on their opponents that we cant see???

dunno

baker stays, last year i reckon, still puts out
and joffas right really, are those kids coming in not enough?
blimey thats a fair change since the GF2

Spinner · Post: # 1063136Post **Spinner** » Thu 21 Apr 2011 9:42am

Con Gorozidis wrote:
Junction Oval wrote:My guess is that Dempster is doing a pre-determined role each week and the match committee are happy with what he is delivering.
the old secret role. the one that involves fumbling and sh*t kicks. shhhh. dont tell the other sides our secret cunning gameplan. they might get wind of it. hushhh.

Shhhh lucky no one told Steve johnson and Didak...

PS defenders also have roles... Lucky no one else has caught on. Might be why we defend so well.

ThePunter · Thu 21 Apr 2011 10:15am

We don't need our own supporters peddling this garbage...

WE QUALIFIED FOR TWO GRAND FINALS!!!!

It is misleading, often deliberately so, to point out St Kilda participated in three Grand Finals, because it implies St Kilda could have won three premierships.

In essence, the eight quarters were one deciding contest. Collingwood only won one premiership cup.

Commit to memory, and leave the "failed in three grand finals" rubbish to the great unwashed.

PJ · Post: # 1063143Post PJ » Thu 21 Apr 2011 10:19am

If you wanted a statement from the players about how they are going to respond who would get picked first?

Steven Baker would be top 5

Who never takes a backward step on the field?

Steven baker

If it came down to an aggressive physical match who would you want in the middle of it?

Steven Baker

I think his selection in itself is a statement.

Steven, Smith, Stanley and co need rolemodels - here's your man.