Baker, Koschitzke, McQualter in for Saints!

[plugger66]

Pissarro selections
No guts
No vision
No balls
Too old
Retire baker
Sack selection committettee
They can all rack off

Loser.

[Sobraz]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none...

The sooner he is out of the side, the quicker the side moves forward...

[plugger66]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none...

The sooner he is out of the side, the quicker the side moves forward...

Well you obviously think RL is past his use by date as well so he better go

[Sobraz]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none...

The sooner he is out of the side, the quicker the side moves forward...

Well you obviously think RL is past his use by date as well so he better go

Dont go putting words in my mouth...

I think Ross needs to move with the times, swallow his pride, and use his football intellect, which I think he has lots of, to evolve our team into something new and improved...

He began swallowing his pride a couple of weeks ago, but has now regurgitated it... He needs to do it again properly, else it wont be a matter of him going, he'll be cut...

[plugger66]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none...

The sooner he is out of the side, the quicker the side moves forward...

Well you obviously think RL is past his use by date as well so he better go

Dont go putting words in my mouth...

I think Ross needs to move with the times, swallow his pride, and use his football intellect, which I think he has lots of, to evolve our team into something new and improved...

He began swallowing his pride a couple of weeks ago, but has now regurgitated it... He needs to do it again properly, else it wont be a matter of him going, he'll be cut...

And can you remind me what happened a couple of weeks ago. What if RL wont Swallow his pride as you call it, should he go then?

[Little Dozer]

Dreadful selection, similar selection that's cost us 2 premierships IMHFO.

McQualter and Dempster for starters have no ability, granted McQualter was good for a period in 09 when we were invincible but Dempster has never showed anything. Kosi in is fair enough, he can take a grab and snag 1 or 2 goals, but Baker? We all love Bakes but he's past it now.

It won't be pretty tomorrow night with Dempster, McQualter, Jones and Baker running around doing nothing, the Bears by panels of fencing for mine.

[MCG-Unit]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none.....

I question things regularly - more so recruiting and trading.
Not so much game plans, as I'm not confident with zones and forward presses........

Yes I wonder about team selections sometimes as well - but again there's a whole selection panel that make these decisions - not just the coach.

And Dempster would walk into GC, c'mon

[Sobraz]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none...

The sooner he is out of the side, the quicker the side moves forward...

Well you obviously think RL is past his use by date as well so he better go

Dont go putting words in my mouth...

I think Ross needs to move with the times, swallow his pride, and use his football intellect, which I think he has lots of, to evolve our team into something new and improved...

He began swallowing his pride a couple of weeks ago, but has now regurgitated it... He needs to do it again properly, else it wont be a matter of him going, he'll be cut...

And can you remind me what happened a couple of weeks ago. What if RL wont Swallow his pride as you call it, should he go then?

Exactly!!... Nothing happened a couple of weeks ago, as he hasn't followed through with what he said needed change...

And if RL doesn't swallow his pride, and continues with the team that got us to the GF more than 6 months ago, then the results will force a change, yes...

If your trying to weazle out of me if I think Ross should be sacked, if we finish this season at 4-17 and a draw, with the same olds running around, then his position should rightly be in jeopardy...

[dcstkfc]

Dreadful selection, similar selection that's cost us 2 premierships IMHFO.

McQualter and Dempster for starters have no ability, granted McQualter was good for a period in 09 when we were invincible but Dempster has never showed anything. Kosi in is fair enough, he can take a grab and snag 1 or 2 goals, but Baker? We all love Bakes but he's past it now.

It won't be pretty tomorrow night with Dempster, McQualter, Jones and Baker running around doing nothing, the Bears by panels of fencing for mine.

How much would have we won the 09 and 10 Grand Finals by if selection hadn't been so 'dreadful'?
And Baker is finished on what basis?
And who should actually come in for these four players you mention?

[SainterK]

If you don't know why he is selected, you obviously don't rate players like Didak, Gia, Steve Johnson influence on a game of footy.

Maybe make an effort to note his opponent.

[plugger66]

Dempster should make way.

Well there you go, I thought you might wish that he Does really well - for his 100th match also....

He's not that bad, looks like he is another new whipping boy

He's not a new whipping boy, and yes he is that bad...

If he's 'that bad' why are the coaches selecting him each week? So they want an inferior side? Maybe they know more than us whether he has held his own or not - and where he fits in with their plans

Good Question!!.... I cannot work out why they select him for the life of me...

But back to the 'coaches know best, so we should never question anything', argument...

Dempster would not get into any other teams 22, including GC... If it wasn't for Ross's 'roles', which is past its used by date, he would not be in the team on football ability... He has next to none...

The sooner he is out of the side, the quicker the side moves forward...

Well you obviously think RL is past his use by date as well so he better go

Dont go putting words in my mouth...

I think Ross needs to move with the times, swallow his pride, and use his football intellect, which I think he has lots of, to evolve our team into something new and improved...

He began swallowing his pride a couple of weeks ago, but has now regurgitated it... He needs to do it again properly, else it wont be a matter of him going, he'll be cut...

And can you remind me what happened a couple of weeks ago. What if RL wont Swallow his pride as you call it, should he go then?

Exactly!!... Nothing happened a couple of weeks ago, as he hasn't followed through with what he said needed change...

And if RL doesn't swallow his pride, and continues with the team that got us to the GF more than 6 months ago, then the results will force a change, yes...

If your trying to weazle out of me if I think Ross should be sacked, if we finish this season at 4-17 and a draw, with the same olds running around, then his position should rightly be in jeopardy...

So just for interests sake who should have played this week and who shouldnt. As for continuing with the side that got to the GF, I think there is about 5 new players. Should it be 8 or 10 afterall it was 5 games ago.

[Sobraz]

So just for interests sake who should have played this week and who shouldnt. As for continuing with the side that got to the GF, I think there is about 5 new players. Should it be 8 or 10 afterall it was 5 games ago.

Well, obviously Dempster should be banished, never to play again... I'd play Lynch in his HBF role... Keep Baker in, as my argument all along is you can have both in the side, and Baker wins that selection without hesitation...

Cripps in place of Mini, but not as the decoy/lock-down/defensive/dont-try-to-score forward Mini is... I would honestly play him through half back and the middle as well... Get the kid involved in the game...

I'd keep Kosi in the side... I like him...

[Little Dozer]

Dreadful selection, similar selection that's cost us 2 premierships IMHFO.

McQualter and Dempster for starters have no ability, granted McQualter was good for a period in 09 when we were invincible but Dempster has never showed anything. Kosi in is fair enough, he can take a grab and snag 1 or 2 goals, but Baker? We all love Bakes but he's past it now.

It won't be pretty tomorrow night with Dempster, McQualter, Jones and Baker running around doing nothing, the Bears by panels of fencing for mine.

How much would have we won the 09 and 10 Grand Finals by if selection hadn't been so 'dreadful'?
And Baker is finished on what basis?
And who should actually come in for these four players you mention?

It's not a matter of 'how much', we failed to win all 3 GF's because players such as McQualter, Dempster and last year Eddy did nothing when we were so close. Any footy pundit or mug in his armchair can tell these blokes aren't good enough.

And for what it's worth I'll concede 1 maybe 2 of these players need to play tomorrow night to shut down the opposition, first choice would be Baker, second tailed off Jones, daylight to McQualter and light-years to Dempster.


Bring in any of Winmar, Cripps, Johnson or Siposs for a run. Let's see what they can do running alongside BJ, Dal, Joey, Roo, Fisher and co.!

[joffaboy]

Well, obviously Dempster should be banished, never to play again... I'd play Lynch in his HBF role...

Isn't Lynch a forward

Cripps in place of Mini, but not as the decoy/lock-down/defensive/dont-try-to-score forward Mini is... I would honestly play him through half back and the middle as well... Get the kid involved in the game...

you mean like the way Jack Steven got involved with the game against Essendon?

I'd keep Kosi in the side... I like him...

swallow your pride......

[joffaboy]

It's not a matter of 'how much', we failed to win all 3 GF's because players such as McQualter, Dempster and last year Eddy did nothing when we were so close. Any footy pundit or mug in his armchair can tell these blokes aren't good enough.

who would you have brought in? And what role would have they played? How would they have gone? We may have been beaten by 5 goals in both 09 and 10 GF1 if it wasn't for those selections.

Easy in hindsight

A

nd for what it's worth I'll concede 1 maybe 2 of these players need to play tomorrow night to shut down the opposition, first choice would be Baker, second tailed off Jones, daylight to McQualter and light-years to Dempster.

Big of you. Hilarious that you bag out Dempster for not winning us a flag, but he is about the only one out on the paddock (and Schneider) who has got a premiership medal. Couldn't have been too bad.

Bring in any of Winmar, Cripps, Johnson or Siposs for a run. Let's see what they can do running alongside BJ, Dal, Joey, Roo, Fisher and co.!

they have brought in Winmar FFS

Along with Armitage, Stanley, Smith, Steven and McEvoy - none of whom were regulars last season (with the possible exception of McEvoy).

So thats six players, 5 of whom didn't play in the GF last season.

How many new players do you want introduced? 8? 10? 12?

Fair Dinkum

[Sobraz]

Well, obviously Dempster should be banished, never to play again... I'd play Lynch in his HBF role...

1)Isn't Lynch a forward

Cripps in place of Mini, but not as the decoy/lock-down/defensive/dont-try-to-score forward Mini is... I would honestly play him through half back and the middle as well... Get the kid involved in the game...

2)you mean like the way Jack Steven got involved with the game against Essendon?

I'd keep Kosi in the side... I like him...

3)swallow your pride......

1)No, he's played back at Sandy all year bar last week.

2)So Jack Steven is Jamie Crippes??... Or like Steven got involved in the game v. Geelong last year, then was promptly dropped...

3)Im a sucker for the big grabs and long goals...

[gringo]

Maybe Kosi is a red herring and big willy will play.

[Sobraz]

they have brought in Winmar FFS

Riiiigggghhhhhttttttt.... Your definition of being brought into a team is obviously different to what actually runs out there...

[joffaboy]

Well, obviously Dempster should be banished, never to play again... I'd play Lynch in his HBF role...

1)Isn't Lynch a forward

Cripps in place of Mini, but not as the decoy/lock-down/defensive/dont-try-to-score forward Mini is... I would honestly play him through half back and the middle as well... Get the kid involved in the game...

2)you mean like the way Jack Steven got involved with the game against Essendon?

I'd keep Kosi in the side... I like him...

3)swallow your pride......

1)No, he's played back at Sandy all year bar last week.

2)So Jack Steven is Jamie Crippes??... Or like Steven got involved in the game v. Geelong last year, then was promptly dropped...

3)Im a sucker for the big grabs and long goals...

1) Has only played forward in the seniors

2) I meant it is no good giving young blokes a go if the team is getting smashed, like they did a gainst Essendon, especially around the stoppages. Jack Steven had minimal impact on the game because we didn't have the ball, or butchered it going forward. Dont burn a younfg bloke through panick - we have all season to panick yet

3) I like the big bloke as well. really time for him to be used in the ruck and leave the forward work to Roo and Stanley.

[ThePunter]

Steven played against Geelong in Round 13 and was in the side until being dropped before Round 19 against Port Adelaide.

If that was prompt, I don't want you serving me at a restaurant.

[joffaboy]

they have brought in Winmar FFS

Riiiigggghhhhhttttttt.... Your definition of being brought into a team is obviously different to what actually runs out there...

So Winmar is not in the 24?

Along with Armitage, Stanley, Smith, Steven and McEvoy - none of whom were regulars last season (with the possible exception of McEvoy).

So thats six players, 5 of whom didn't play in the GF last season.

How many new players do you want introduced? 8? 10? 12?

Mind answering this part as well, or dont those 5 count because it doesn't suit your argument?

So what is it - 6? 8? 10? 12? new players before you are satisified?

[gringo]

I don't care how many games a guy has played, if he contributes. Glad for all those named and hopefully make us competitive. Too many young guys at once just shows you have no one left. We are still in the hunt so limited new faces.

[Sobraz]

they have brought in Winmar FFS

Riiiigggghhhhhttttttt.... Your definition of being brought into a team is obviously different to what actually runs out there...

So Winmar is not in the 24?

Along with Armitage, Stanley, Smith, Steven and McEvoy - none of whom were regulars last season (with the possible exception of McEvoy).

So thats six players, 5 of whom didn't play in the GF last season.

How many new players do you want introduced? 8? 10? 12?

Mind answering this part as well, or dont those 5 count because it doesn't suit your argument?

So what is it - 6? 8? 10? 12? new players before you are satisified?

Winmar is emergency and will not play... Might as well name me as 24th man, I wont do any worse tomorow night...

In answer to your question, I'd continue with Armo, BigMac, Steven, Smith, Lynch, and 1 or Stanley, Cripps or Winmar... Thats 6...

Three of whom have had some quality top level experience and ready to take the next step to regulars, 3 or 4 others who will flourish with the exposure...

[skeptic]

This forum stuns me sometimes.

How can any semi intelligent person think that playing some kids ahead of McQualter, Dempster and Jones would be considered rebuilding?

How can anyone think that playing kids instead of those 3 is somehow costing us games.

I'm not for the extreme whereby every eperienced player over the age of 28 needs to be dropped.
I'd keep Baker in the team
I think Blake a role too
I think Gram and Ray should play depending on their form.


The criticism here is that players that are HORRIBLY out of form are continuously being selected.

Jones has been WOEFUL this season. WOEFUL. He's not "doing a great role". He has been really really poor.
IMO so has Dempster.

And for the record JB, Steven had a better game VS the Bombers than any of 3 aforementioned players have had all season

[Spinner]

If you don't know why he is selected, you obviously don't rate players like Didak, Gia, Steve Johnson influence on a game of footy.

Maybe make an effort to note his opponent.

Exactly.

Some people must get the words 'role' and 'defender' mixed up. I think I even remember one post mentioning 'roles' were outdated.

Righto.

Some, no probably most of the comments in this threat are laughable. Making for poor discussion....