Jason Gram B.O.G

[plugger66]

Gram was ok today

Can not even remotely agree.

The turn overs were critical - deplorable and the poor defensive body on body work when 1 out was comical.

30 touches dont tell the story.

Who was better than him today? Give us some names.

Essendon, or St Kilda?

Plenty of Dons players. What about our side.

He wasn't on our side.

If he wasnt what about another 10 or so players.

[mad saint guy]

33 touches and 0 tackles says a lot. He is good at hanging off a pack to get a cheap kick which he hacks forward, but that is the extent of his contribution at the moment. He is well ahead of Jones, Gamble, Peake and Dempster but he has some serious flaws in his game. I reckon he got a massive spray from Ross at some point tonight because after three quarter time he did attack the footy with some level of intensity and put his body on the line when he got hurt making that spoil.

[maverick]

What a crap thread. Gram was better than most but hey he is letting us down. Must be a good player if we think he is the problem. Looks like he is worth 10 goals. maybe we better look at Joey, Bj, Gilbert and Gwilt before hom tonight.

plugger not doubting BJ Gilbert and Gwilt had shockers .... but those guys will make up for their bad games (and if not them its to the VFL for them ) Gram has been progresively going down hill ever since the whole Lovett thing ... he got pleanty of touches today but he did nothing with those touches plus as a defender he does not play on his man well enough to convince me that he adds value to the team ...

enough is enough there are blokes like Mini and Eddy who get dropped and delisted because thier form go's down hill yet Gram keeps his spot .... the bloke can play he has shown it but for whatever reason he just doesnt deliver anymore

I dont get what people want out of this guy. He kicked a goal tonight from the wing and set up at least 5 shots for goal for other players. He was in the top 6 players for us for sure. Yes some of his kicking was ordinary but some was also very good. Way ahead of many tonight.

+1
Looks like his comments last week were spot on as well.

[barks4eva]

players like Gram will always hold us back


cannot kick properly, turns it over

a show pony who does not know what a hard ball is

a downhill skier if ever there was one


try to trade him at the end of the year if anyone else is stupid enough to take him

it's the only way we will get any more value out of him

[degruch]

Looks like his comments last week were spot on as well.

There should be a mirror on his locker this week.

[degruch]

33 touches and 0 tackles says a lot. He is good at hanging off a pack to get a cheap kick which he hacks forward, but that is the extent of his contribution at the moment. He is well ahead of Jones, Gamble, Peake and Dempster but he has some serious flaws in his game. I reckon he got a massive spray from Ross at some point tonight because after three quarter time he did attack the footy with some level of intensity and put his body on the line when he got hurt making that spoil.

The spoil and the goal were the only useful things I spotted from him tonight. I noted, when he booted his 50m goal, he wasn't out of puff at all...and it didn't surprise me. Maybe I'm being harsh on him, but all I saw were cheap possessions and crucial turnovers.

[InkerSaint]

Looks like his comments last week were spot on as well.

There should be a mirror on his locker this week.

+1

[avid]

Jesus Cripes ! why pick on the guy that got the most possessions of anyone in the team???
He certainly has some glaring weaknesses in his game, but he's also way up there and one of our most successful in other departments.
He did not lose us this game today.
3/4 of the team are ahead of him for blameworthiness.

[Cro]

Some of his kicks were poor, and his defence near to non existent..

We've been crying out for outside runers, we have one who can get 30 plus touches, run with pace and kick long. He should be playing on the wing, not in defence. Surely recent times have highlighted this guy is not a defender.

[SainterK]

When Paul Roos highlights your weak attempt at a contest it isn't good.

[saint66au]

Yep 30 touches but hes also the worst kick in the side if you want a 25m chip kick. Launches it 40m in the air and invariably misses the target

Must also get that stupid toepoke out of his game. Put your head over the footy and pick it up Grammy, you'll draw a free if you get hit and thats footy sometimes

[defacto]

posted this in another thread.

fair dinkum, i just threw up a little bit in my mouth. grams performances over the last couple of months have been pathetic. last night he was no where when the game was there to be won. his turn overs and lack of effort killed us when it mattered. the guy is a massive liability and is part of the group that is eating at the culture of our club.

his lack of effort cost gifted essendon 2-3 goals in the first half.

delist or trade. tell the pisshead to GTFO.

i just cant believe people are falling for his 2nd half performance once the game was over.

[plugger66]

posted this in another thread.

fair dinkum, i just threw up a little bit in my mouth. grams performances over the last couple of months have been pathetic. last night he was no where when the game was there to be won. his turn overs and lack of effort killed us when it mattered. the guy is a massive liability and is part of the group that is eating at the culture of our club.

his lack of effort cost gifted essendon 2-3 goals in the first half.

delist or trade. tell the pisshead to GTFO.

i just cant believe people are falling for his 2nd half performance once the game was over.

Excellent post.

[matrix]

21 kicks
12 handballs
9 marks
1 goal
8 contested possessions
26 uncontested possessions
(dont know how that works when you have 33 touches, but anyway we roughly get the picture)
67% effective disposal percentage
7 clangers
no contested marks
1 mark inside 50
3 centre clearances
6 inside 50s (equal most along with smith)
5 rebound 50s
earnt 1 free, gave away 2
0 tackles (only player along with the sub peake)
3 one %ers (dawson had 11 and dempster had 10)
1 goal assist

so really if he didnt shank all those kicks, the turnovers/clangers wouldve been way down and his effective disposal percentage would have gone way up and we'd be saying he had a decent game (ok no tackles is a worry).
so its the kicking
is he at too much of a wide stride as he goes to kick?
is he looking at the tatt on his arm when he drops the footy, because he obviously isnt looking down at his slipper??

its certainly frustrating

[defacto]

21 kicks
12 handballs
9 marks
1 goal
8 contested possessions
26 uncontested possessions
(dont know how that works when you have 33 touches, but anyway we roughly get the picture)
67% effective disposal percentage
7 clangers
no contested marks
1 mark inside 50
3 centre clearances
6 inside 50s (equal most along with smith)
5 rebound 50s
earnt 1 free, gave away 2
0 tackles (only player along with the sub peake)
3 one %ers (dawson had 11 and dempster had 10)
1 goal assist

so really if he didnt shank all those kicks, the turnovers/clangers wouldve been way down and his effective disposal percentage would have gone way up and we'd be saying he had a decent game (ok no tackles is a worry).
so its the kicking
is he at too much of a wide stride as he goes to kick?
is he looking at the tatt on his arm when he drops the footy, because he obviously isnt looking down at his slipper??

its certainly frustrating

can we get a break down of the stats by qtr. my bet is the first 2 qtrs were woefull

[matrix]

dunno where from
that was just from the afl site
it just gives you the basic stats, which really isnt good enough.
itd be nice to get what the coaching panel gets
like the tackles inside 50 one etc etc

[BigMart]

He had 18 at half time....on mmm he was given our best with dal at ht

[Dr Spaceman]

A good teams have Jason Grams.

Icing on the cake when the team's up and about but glaringly inadequate when everyone else is going poorly.

He may benefit from a spell at Sandy but we'll need him if we start to hit our straps.

[Ajantis]

Dawson - Weak/Lazy.
Clarke - Lazy/Stupid Mistakes.
Dempster - Lyons love child - Weak/Lazy/Idiot.
Gram - Costly/Makes stupid decisons/Try hard.
Ross Lyon - Make Changes FFS. Other coaches and teams know our game style/plays.

Options: Tank the rest of the season.

Saints not competitive 2011. Move onwards to 2012.

[Statsman]

He had 18 at half time....on mmm he was given our best with dal at ht

18 touches in a half is great, but if they're either ineffectual or outright turnovers it's of no benefit to the team. I've got no problems with Gram's ability to find the footy. I can even live with the occasional squibbed contest and missed tackle if he's getting 25-30 quality touches a week.

However, when you factor in the poor disposals those 25-30 touches get discounted to about 15 worthwhile disposals. At that rate, he's nowhere near as valuable and his negatives start to outweigh his positives.

For Gram to remain in the team, he simply has to use the ball better.

[bendigo bob]

Dawson - Weak/Lazy.
Clarke - Lazy/Stupid Mistakes.
Dempster - Lyons love child - Weak/Lazy/Idiot.
Gram - Costly/Makes stupid decisons/Try hard.
Ross Lyon - Make Changes FFS. Other coaches and teams know our game style/plays.

Options: Tank the rest of the season.

Saints not competitive 2011. Move onwards to 2012.

What possible use is tanking the rest of the season?? GWS get all the early picks this time. All tanking will do this year is cause a hell of a lot more angst for both the club and us supporters.

[Junction Oval]

I thought that he "put in" last night with over 30 possessions. Some sloppy kicking, yes, but played with determination over the four quarters.

Jones, Clarke, Gamble were "lost" on the ground.

[Ajantis]

Good point i forgot about GWS. Ohh well.

[barks4eva]

He had 18 at half time....on mmm he was given our best with dal at ht

18 touches in a half is great, but if they're either ineffectual or outright turnovers it's of no benefit to the team. I've got no problems with Gram's ability to find the footy. I can even live with the occasional squibbed contest and missed tackle if he's getting 25-30 quality touches a week.

However, when you factor in the poor disposals those 25-30 touches get discounted to about 15 worthwhile disposals. At that rate, he's nowhere near as valuable and his negatives start to outweigh his positives.

For Gram to remain in the team, he simply has to use the ball better.

Agree

It would more beneficial in the long term to try some kids with pace and skill in the waste of space Gram occupies

only way the team can improve

Gram is a total liability

[Bernard Shakey]

Worst kick in the comp, which is just pure laziness. And he has the nerve to criticise others.