Letter to Michaels Mailbox !

[plugger66]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

[Cairnsman]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

[plugger66]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

[Cairnsman]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Just because you can't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Didn't Adelaide win from 5th position? Wasn't that at a time when they were getting favourable draws.

[avid]

While I don't exactly share Barks4eva's style of invective, I 100% agree with the home/away strip he's advocating. Traditional front, black back (sleeves + trim) for home, traditional front, white back (sleeves + trim) for away. It's perfect, it's simple, it's obvious, it's St Kilda.

I also believe that, ideally, every team in the league should look themselves, be clear who they are, and base their strip on their true, deep, passionate tradition. The AFL's 'clash excuse' should not be allowed to f*** up the beauty +visual power of our national game, which it so seriously has already.

Collingwood (no matter how deep our distaste) has done a perfect job of finding a home/clash pair of designs that still keep its identity 100% intact. (Exactly as b4e's designs would do for us.)

Essendon (ditto re the distaste) has a problem. I can't see how they can develop any strip that'll work as a respectable contrasting clash jumper for them. Look how Melbourne have tried, and failed, with theirs. It just doesn't seem to be in the nature of their traditional strips to have an available credible alternative.

If we were Essendon or Melbourne supporters, I think we'd very reasonably be wanting to resist the introduction of white into our jumpers, or some other unrecognisable colour combo.
(Hawthorn have the luxury of no one else ever wanting to look remotely like them, so their 'need' for a clash strip should never arise.)

I say, for the overall good of the game, let clubs with no viable tradition-based clash strip keep their tradtional jumpers.
Let clubs like Collingwood and St Kilda (under b4e's scheme), with an equally good pair of traditional jumpers, adjust our strip on the day if a genuine clash has to be avoided.

I wouldn't feel we were in a second class or second choice strip if it was the b4e one. Just as Collingwood doesn't in its alternative.
And I would much prefer to be playing -- and beating -- an Essendon side that actually looked like Essendon, and not some unrecognisable novelty team.

Clarity, strength, identity, depth of tradition, passion through the generations.
These should be the criteria -- for us, and for our enemies.

[barks4eva]

Traditional front, black back (sleeves + trim) for home, traditional front, white back (sleeves + trim) for away. It's perfect, it's simple, it's obvious, it's St Kilda.

EXACTLY!

Collingwood's away/clash jumper has been accepted by the AFL!

If we had our home jumper with a white back, swapping the black parts for white we would have more white in our jumper than Collingwood!

So anyone talking about some guideline of 75% is talking absolute crap!

Collingwood's alternative has already been approved!

If we again make a Grand Final this year, because our board are spineless, visionless surrender monkeys, we again might be forced to wear some absolutely shyte away jumper IN A GRAND FINAL!

Why don't we just run out in a white flag!

This issue needs to be sorted NOW!

Our board are accountable to the members and it's about time they truly represented the St kilda brand!

This should be put to a vote of the St kilda members to see if the majority prefer our away jumper to be the home jumper with a white back!

This jumper would not clash with anyone, so there is no reason whatsoever as to why this could not be approved, afterall Collingwood's jumper with far less white has already been accepted!

[Eastern]

Traditional front, black back (sleeves + trim) for home, traditional front, white back (sleeves + trim) for away. It's perfect, it's simple, it's obvious, it's St Kilda.

EXACTLY!

Collingwood's away/clash jumper has been accepted by the AFL!

If we had our home jumper with a white back, swapping the black parts for white we would have more white in our jumper than Collingwood!

So anyone talking about some guideline of 75% is talking absolute crap!Collingwood's alternative has already been approved!

If we again make a Grand Final this year, because our board are spineless, visionless surrender monkeys, we again might be forced to wear some absolutely shyte away jumper IN A GRAND FINAL!

Why don't we just run out in a white flag!

This issue needs to be sorted NOW!

Our board are accountable to the members and it's about time they truly represented the St kilda brand!

This should be put to a vote of the St kilda members to see if the majority prefer our away jumper to be the home jumper with a white back!

This jumper would not clash with anyone, so there is no reason whatsoever as to why this could not be approved, afterall Collingwood's jumper with far less white has already been accepted!

I have said all along that the rules apply to everyone except Collingwood & Essendon. I have also said that under the 75% rule the Collingwood jumper would NOT pass in its current style. This thread started about what jumper we wear when we are the HOME team. Please check your facts before releasing a tirade of abuse !!

[Moccha]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Your memory is pretty good for someone with dementia

[Eastern]

The Grand Final equation is pretty simple;

We finish on top, we get to wear our traditional strip and the team we play in the GF wears a clash strip, if required !!

[plugger66]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Your memory is pretty good for someone with dementia

Eventually you will say something funny. Long way off it but keep trying.

[barks4eva]

Traditional front, black back (sleeves + trim) for home, traditional front, white back (sleeves + trim) for away. It's perfect, it's simple, it's obvious, it's St Kilda.

EXACTLY!

Collingwood's away/clash jumper has been accepted by the AFL!

If we had our home jumper with a white back, swapping the black parts for white we would have more white in our jumper than Collingwood!

So anyone talking about some guideline of 75% is talking absolute crap!Collingwood's alternative has already been approved!

If we again make a Grand Final this year, because our board are spineless, visionless surrender monkeys, we again might be forced to wear some absolutely shyte away jumper IN A GRAND FINAL!

Why don't we just run out in a white flag!

This issue needs to be sorted NOW!

Our board are accountable to the members and it's about time they truly represented the St kilda brand!

This should be put to a vote of the St kilda members to see if the majority prefer our away jumper to be the home jumper with a white back!

This jumper would not clash with anyone, so there is no reason whatsoever as to why this could not be approved, afterall Collingwood's jumper with far less white has already been accepted!

I have said all along that the rules apply to everyone except Collingwood & Essendon. I have also said that under the 75% rule the Collingwood jumper would NOT pass in its current style. This thread started about what jumper we wear when we are the HOME team. Please check your facts before releasing a tirade of abuse !!

Ok if you're gonna get your knickers in a twist, I'll start a new thread!

[Leo.J]

…And despite Collingwood playing the top 8 teams just as many times as some other clubs, they had generally more an advantage in recovery when playing those clubs.

That last line in pure imagination and they actually played the top 8 sides the most last year...

...Essendon, Brisbane, Kangaroos, and Richmond played top 8 club as much or more than Collingwood.

And on 5 occasions when Collingwood played top 8 clubs they got them after they'd played interstate the week before...

Just highlighting the bit where I assume you were accusing me of making stuff up...

Thats something I don't do.

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

We agree that the draw is unequal,

but I'm curious what is your definition of the best side?

[plugger66]

…And despite Collingwood playing the top 8 teams just as many times as some other clubs, they had generally more an advantage in recovery when playing those clubs.

That last line in pure imagination and they actually played the top 8 sides the most last year...

...Essendon, Brisbane, Kangaroos, and Richmond played top 8 club as much or more than Collingwood.

And on 5 occasions when Collingwood played top 8 clubs they got them after they'd played interstate the week before...

Just highlighting the bit where I assume you were accusing me of making stuff up...

Thats something I don't do.

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

We agree that the draw is unequal,

but I'm curious what is your definition of the best side?

Well in the last decade i would say only the Hawks werent the best side IMO. I would interested to see who you think has won the flag because of an uneven draw.

[Eastern]

…And despite Collingwood playing the top 8 teams just as many times as some other clubs, they had generally more an advantage in recovery when playing those clubs.

That last line in pure imagination and they actually played the top 8 sides the most last year...

...Essendon, Brisbane, Kangaroos, and Richmond played top 8 club as much or more than Collingwood.

And on 5 occasions when Collingwood played top 8 clubs they got them after they'd played interstate the week before...

Just highlighting the bit where I assume you were accusing me of making stuff up...

Thats something I don't do.

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

We agree that the draw is unequal,

but I'm curious what is your definition of the best side?

Well in the last decade i would say only the Hawks werent the best side IMO. I would interested to see who you think has won the flag because of an uneven draw.

Adelaide 97 (I know thats more than a decade ago) and it still hurts !!

[plugger66]

…And despite Collingwood playing the top 8 teams just as many times as some other clubs, they had generally more an advantage in recovery when playing those clubs.

That last line in pure imagination and they actually played the top 8 sides the most last year...

...Essendon, Brisbane, Kangaroos, and Richmond played top 8 club as much or more than Collingwood.

And on 5 occasions when Collingwood played top 8 clubs they got them after they'd played interstate the week before...

Just highlighting the bit where I assume you were accusing me of making stuff up...

Thats something I don't do.

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

We agree that the draw is unequal,

but I'm curious what is your definition of the best side?

Well in the last decade i would say only the Hawks werent the best side IMO. I would interested to see who you think has won the flag because of an uneven draw.

Adelaide 97 (I know thats more than a decade ago) and it still hurts !!

How was the draw uneven for them? Or are you saying they werent the best side which they werent in either year they won. What they did have though was a very good coach with huge finals experience. Something we well and truely lacked.

[Cairnsman]

…And despite Collingwood playing the top 8 teams just as many times as some other clubs, they had generally more an advantage in recovery when playing those clubs.

That last line in pure imagination and they actually played the top 8 sides the most last year...

...Essendon, Brisbane, Kangaroos, and Richmond played top 8 club as much or more than Collingwood.

And on 5 occasions when Collingwood played top 8 clubs they got them after they'd played interstate the week before...

Just highlighting the bit where I assume you were accusing me of making stuff up...

Thats something I don't do.

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

We agree that the draw is unequal,

but I'm curious what is your definition of the best side?

Well in the last decade i would say only the Hawks werent the best side IMO. I would interested to see who you think has won the flag because of an uneven draw.

Adelaide 97 (I know thats more than a decade ago) and it still hurts !!

How was the draw uneven for them? Or are you saying they werent the best side which they werent in either year they won. What they did have though was a very good coach with huge finals experience. Something we well and truely lacked.

The great thing about this place is you can make up complete bull shyte and it's really hard to oppose. Even with google.

[Leo.J]

…And despite Collingwood playing the top 8 teams just as many times as some other clubs, they had generally more an advantage in recovery when playing those clubs.

That last line in pure imagination and they actually played the top 8 sides the most last year...

...Essendon, Brisbane, Kangaroos, and Richmond played top 8 club as much or more than Collingwood.

And on 5 occasions when Collingwood played top 8 clubs they got them after they'd played interstate the week before...

Just highlighting the bit where I assume you were accusing me of making stuff up...

Thats something I don't do.

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

We agree that the draw is unequal,

but I'm curious what is your definition of the best side?

Well in the last decade i would say only the Hawks werent the best side IMO. I would interested to see who you think has won the flag because of an uneven draw.

How do you decide who is the best side before the GF?

[Leo.J]

...Well in the last decade i would say only the Hawks werent the best side IMO. I would interested to see who you think has won the flag because of an uneven draw.

BTW the draw doesn't win or lose you a premiership.

It can give you an advantage.

You were the one who attempted to simplify what I said.

I initially said "the premiership is a joke".

I was referring to the premiership season, I thought that was clear, maybe it wasn't... we can argue about that definition too if you like.

[bigred]

Its not a draw, its a FIXture.

[Moccha]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Your memory is pretty good for someone with dementia

Eventually you will say something funny. Long way off it but keep trying.

I think this sums you up.....

What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect

What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look-a so sad?
It's-a not so bad
It's-a nice-a place

Ah
Shaddap-a you face!

[plugger66]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Your memory is pretty good for someone with dementia

Eventually you will say something funny. Long way off it but keep trying.

I think this sums you up.....

What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect

What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look-a so sad?
It's-a not so bad
It's-a nice-a place

Ah
Shaddap-a you face!

Still very ordinary. i will put you on the list of posters with no idea. It is getting bigger but you may go straight to number one the way you are going.

[Leo.J]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Your memory is pretty good for someone with dementia

Eventually you will say something funny. Long way off it but keep trying.

I think this sums you up.....

What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect

What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look-a so sad?
It's-a not so bad
It's-a nice-a place

Ah
Shaddap-a you face!

Still very ordinary. i will put you on the list of posters with no idea. It is getting bigger but you may go straight to number one the way you are going.

Pluggers top 50.

Who'll be No1.?

[plugger66]

Good one Plugger you get shot down so then you attempt to change what were discussing half way through.

And you obviously realise you are wrong and come back with that reply. Why havent the pies won 20 flags in a row and why did the Hawks and Geelong win the last 3 flags before the pies?

The draw isnt equal but the best sides usually wins the flag. It is that simple.

You could argue that it is the best side on the last day in September.
There have been sides that were the best side of the season but were cruely hit by injury in September and lost the GF because of it.

True and that is why i said usually wins the flag. The point is that the draw has little to do with winning flags. it may get you to a spot fraction higher on the ladder than you deserve but I cant really remember a side winning it due to the draw.

Your memory is pretty good for someone with dementia

Eventually you will say something funny. Long way off it but keep trying.

I think this sums you up.....

What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect

What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look-a so sad?
It's-a not so bad
It's-a nice-a place

Ah
Shaddap-a you face!

Still very ordinary. i will put you on the list of posters with no idea. It is getting bigger but you may go straight to number one the way you are going.

Pluggers top 50.

Who'll be No1.?

I am not modest. If it about people who are ordinary posters i am clearly number one. Will release the others later this month.

[Leo.J]

I am not modest. If it about people who are ordinary posters i am clearly number one. Will release the others later this month.

You're not too bad Plugger...

You keep this place balanced, unlike the paper you read.

[Saints7]

jeez , this place is sooo much better when '....4eva' doesn't post!

Whats so bad with having a clash guernsey? Its not 1980 anymore. We're older than most sporting clubs but do you really think a Man Utd fan
has any less love for his Club than a Saints fan? Man Utd have three new shirts EVERY season. Why? Because they make a squillion pounds a year in shirt sales - it makes their supporters put their hands in their pockets and support the Club by buying a new shirt EVERY year.

IMO...its 2011 and time to get up to speed with the rest of world sport, and the quicker public perception changes about guernseys the better.