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SainterK wrote:Anyone want a go at ins and outs from our last fielded side.
INTERCHANGE: A.McQualter, J.Gwilt, S.Baker, S.Dempster
So far you'd think ins would be....
Gamble Steven Armo Geary Gardiner (provided he is fit)
Outs Eddy....? ? ? ?
i've never seen nick play, but my impression is that he's a tall runner, rather than a semi-key position player. tall and small is about how they play as much as height. dempster's 192 but i wouldn't call him tall - on the other hand, aaron hamill was 184 and yet he played as a tall.borderbarry wrote:Bergholt, you have Winmar as a small. He is 190cm. You must be thinking of the other one!
I dont get how a ruckman can be the sub.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
Unlike others, I'm not completely convinced that we can play out an entire season with just one primary ruckman in the 22. However, to use up one of the three interchange positions for a second ruckman is clearly not logical. Some argue that Koschitzke can play as the backup - I don't see that working for 25 or so rounds, especially with Gardiner (whose fitness will continually be questionable) or McEvoy (who showed in GF2 that he still isn't quite up to the job over the course of an entire match) as first ruck.plugger66 wrote:I dont get how a ruckman can be the sub.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
People can, and will, have their thoughts on the sub, but if anyone here actually claims they know exactly how clubs will use that position, well they only have one hand on the keyboard!SaintBot wrote:Unlike others, I'm not completely convinced that we can play out an entire season with just one primary ruckman in the 22. However, to use up one of the three interchange positions for a second ruckman is clearly not logical. Some argue that Koschitzke can play as the backup - I don't see that working for 25 or so rounds, especially with Gardiner (whose fitness will continually be questionable) or McEvoy (who showed in GF2 that he still isn't quite up to the job over the course of an entire match) as first ruck.plugger66 wrote:I dont get how a ruckman can be the sub.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
Really when you look at it, in the past one of the bench positions has been taken up by the second ruck and the other three by runners/utilities. Gardiner and McEvoy (or King) have shared about 50% game time each so nothing really has changed except that the rucks will be on the field solidly for one half before being subbed off around halftime.
May I now ask why you don't believe a ruckman can be the sub?
Quite simple really. MG couldnt ruck for a whole half in a million years so he will need help. That will be the likes of Kosi or if Ben can start to play forward more often. A utility type player will be the sub. That means the likes of Blake, Lynch, Heyne type players.SaintBot wrote:Unlike others, I'm not completely convinced that we can play out an entire season with just one primary ruckman in the 22. However, to use up one of the three interchange positions for a second ruckman is clearly not logical. Some argue that Koschitzke can play as the backup - I don't see that working for 25 or so rounds, especially with Gardiner (whose fitness will continually be questionable) or McEvoy (who showed in GF2 that he still isn't quite up to the job over the course of an entire match) as first ruck.plugger66 wrote:I dont get how a ruckman can be the sub.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
Really when you look at it, in the past one of the bench positions has been taken up by the second ruck and the other three by runners/utilities. Gardiner and McEvoy (or King) have shared about 50% game time each so nothing really has changed except that the rucks will be on the field solidly for one half before being subbed off around halftime.
May I now ask why you don't believe a ruckman can be the sub?
rodger might know - he speaks to annonymous people who apparently know most of everything.Dr Spaceman wrote:People can, and will, have their thoughts on the sub, but if anyone here actually claims they know exactly how clubs will use that position, well they only have one hand on the keyboard!SaintBot wrote:Unlike others, I'm not completely convinced that we can play out an entire season with just one primary ruckman in the 22. However, to use up one of the three interchange positions for a second ruckman is clearly not logical. Some argue that Koschitzke can play as the backup - I don't see that working for 25 or so rounds, especially with Gardiner (whose fitness will continually be questionable) or McEvoy (who showed in GF2 that he still isn't quite up to the job over the course of an entire match) as first ruck.plugger66 wrote:I dont get how a ruckman can be the sub.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
Really when you look at it, in the past one of the bench positions has been taken up by the second ruck and the other three by runners/utilities. Gardiner and McEvoy (or King) have shared about 50% game time each so nothing really has changed except that the rucks will be on the field solidly for one half before being subbed off around halftime.
May I now ask why you don't believe a ruckman can be the sub?
Thank you MM, you've just proven my pointMr Magic wrote:rodger might know - he speaks to annonymous people who apparently know most of everything.Dr Spaceman wrote:People can, and will, have their thoughts on the sub, but if anyone here actually claims they know exactly how clubs will use that position, well they only have one hand on the keyboard!
Hope so...Spinner wrote:Not sure it translates into an improved team output...
Interesting team PJ, I do like the idea of accomodating some of the younger players....give some of them first crack and let the more senior guys be the ones applying the pressure for spots.PJ wrote:
B: Dempster Dawson Gwilt
HB: Clarke Blake Fisher
C: Gilbert Goddard Monty
HF: Dal Stanley Gamble
F: Steven Riewoldt Milne
R: Gardy, Lenny, Armo
INT: Kosi, Gram, Schneids SUB: Ray
IN:Gardy, Clarke, Stanley, Gamble, Armo, Steven
OUT: McEvoy, Mini, Jones, Eddy, Baker, Peake
too old. blake and bakes are almost gone and will be used as back-ups. gards to be used in maybe 10 games next year and kosi will be a 2nd ruckman or nothing. his days in the fwd line are well and truly over. too immobile.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
They're not too old until there are youngsters ready to take over. As long as Blake can do his job better than Simpkin, Baker better than say Geary, etc then there is no reason they don't stay in the side.Con Gorozidis wrote:too old. blake and bakes are almost gone and will be used as back-ups. gards to be used in maybe 10 games next year and kosi will be a 2nd ruckman or nothing. his days in the fwd line are well and truly over. too immobile.SaintBot wrote:St Kilda
FB: Steven Baker – Zac Dawson - Jason Blake
HB: James Gwilt - Sam Fisher – Jason Gram
C: Leigh Montagna - Lenny Hayes – Brendon Goddard
HF: Sam Gilbert - Nick Riewoldt – Ryan Gamble
FF: Stephen Milne – Justin Koschitzke – Jack Steven
R: Michael Gardiner – Nick Dal Santo – Adam Schneider
I/C: Clinton Jones – Farren Ray – David Armitage
SUB: Ben McEvoy
EMG: Jarryn Geary – Raphael Clarke – Andrew McQualter
Reserves: Brett Peake – Sean Dempster – Rhys Stanley – Dean Polo – Will Johnson – Nic Heyne – Tom Simpkin – Al Smith – Paul Cahill – Tom Lynch – Nick Winmar – Sam Crocker – Tom Ledger – Jamie Cripps – Arryn Siposs
They definitely need more games in 2011. I for one am excited about smith.Con Gorozidis wrote:Well I know im being upbeat about youth - but we have to be positive - if Simpkin, Smith and Stanley dont come on soon we are in deep sh*t. We will just slowly and gradually become easy-beats in a slow drawn-out & painful way.
im quite happy with this line-up. looks half decent all over the park. i introduced youth but made sure that all the newish players played alongside experience so there were no gaps and blokes could have an on-field teacher and not be exposed or roughed up.Con Gorozidis wrote:
gwilt dawson jones
simpkin fisher clarke
smith hayes dal
schneider stanley gilbert
milne roo gamble
mcevoy goddard armitage
int: ray, gram, kosi sub: dempster
Not bad. They should try this in the NAB cup at least onceCon Gorozidis wrote:im quite happy with this line-up. looks half decent all over the park. i introduced youth but made sure that all the newish players played alongside experience so there were no gaps and blokes could have an on-field teacher and not be exposed or roughed up.Con Gorozidis wrote:
gwilt dawson jones
simpkin fisher clarke
smith hayes dal
schneider stanley gilbert
milne roo gamble
mcevoy goddard armitage
int: ray, gram, kosi sub: dempster
simpkin alongside fisher
smith next to hayes
stanley next to gilbo
gamble next to roo
armo next to goddard
