Lovett leak by cop

[SENsei]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 5965228449


Not sure it is relevant, and I am certainly not going to repeat his name here, but wasn't a sergeant involved in the case who was a trainer at St Kilda? Surely not one in the same??

[saintbrat]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 5965228449


Not sure it is relevant, and I am certainly not going to repeat his name here, but wasn't a sergeant involved in the case who was a trainer at St Kilda? Surely not one in the same??

Former case I beleive from some years ago
it all got confused there earlier in the year

[chook23]

Must be a slow news day

MAY have been linked to the call to the rumor file on 3aw

very very old news

head line of the thread and nes article overthe top.

I would suggest many a call to the RUMOUR file would possibly have some connection to Police...just taling to freinds who them may ring...........

even the occasional copper

MEDIA will milk it though.....typical

[SENsei]

Good. Glad it's not who I think it could have been and it's not new news.

[saintbrat]

interestingly the 4 pm news I just heard said' former afl player' and not former S.......s player
finally..

[Bernard Shakey]

Good. Glad it's not who I think it could have been and it's not new news.

It is new news, the bloke has just been charged.

[chook23]

Good. Glad it's not who I think it could have been and it's not new news.

It is new news, the bloke has just been charged.

but relates to the alleged call to the rumour file

24......12.......09

Lovett investigation at that time not case as mentioned in news article......that would suddest leaking news after the charge laid.

[saintbrat]

Good. Glad it's not who I think it could have been and it's not new news.

It is new news, the bloke has just been charged.

yes this is new news.

but the suspicion SENsational Mentioned was in relation to old news.

[SENsei]

So the story is old but the news is new that the bloke has been charged.

So it still could be the bloke I am thinking of.

Hope not.

[saintbrat]

So the story is old but the news is new that the bloke has been charged.

So it still could be the bloke I am thinking of.

Hope not.

no I don't beleive on what I've read ( BUt could be completely wrong) \

the news on this case and this cop is new...

the connection you mentioned was in relation to the incident from 6 years ago.

[SENsei]

So the story is old but the news is new that the bloke has been charged.

So it still could be the bloke I am thinking of.

Hope not.

no I don't beleive on what I've read ( BUt could be completely wrong) \

the news on this case and this cop is new...

the connection you mentioned was in relation to the incident from 6 years ago.

Sorry, I get it now. Bit slow on a Friday afternoon. I was confusing the two stories.

[saintbrat]

So the story is old but the news is new that the bloke has been charged.

So it still could be the bloke I am thinking of.

Hope not.

no I don't beleive on what I've read ( BUt could be completely wrong) \

the news on this case and this cop is new...

the connection you mentioned was in relation to the incident from 6 years ago.

Sorry, I get it now. Bit slow on a Friday afternoon. I was confusing the two stories.

as I stated- that was my understanding of it - many stories have been raised and rehashed this year. so all becomes confusing.

[plugger66]

So the story is old but the news is new that the bloke has been charged.

So it still could be the bloke I am thinking of.

Hope not.

If you are thinking of Hans, I doubt it is him as he has been at training at our local footy club as he is head trainer there.

[ace]

Nice to know the legal profession is moving with its' usual swiftness before anyone can forget and then imagine what happened.
Everyone will have vivid memories of what happened after only 18 months.

Afterall I can remember every detail of what I did on this day a year ago so everyone will remember after 18 months.
I got out of bed obviously, not sure if it was morning or afternoon and I probably went to bed between dusk and dawn.
Surely that is enough for a court, lawyers can make the rest up if we are not sure.

We wouldn't want to rush the poor overpaid worthless leeches.
They may get their horsehair in a knot.

[SENsei]

So the story is old but the news is new that the bloke has been charged.

So it still could be the bloke I am thinking of.

Hope not.

If you are thinking of Hans, I doubt it is him as he has been at training at our local footy club as he is head trainer there.

Thanks St...er P66!

[St Fidelius]

Nice to know the legal profession is moving with its' usual swiftness before anyone can forget and then imagine what happened.
Everyone will have vivid memories of what happened after only 18 months.

Afterall I can remember every detail of what I did on this day a year ago so everyone will remember after 18 months.
I got out of bed obviously, not sure if it was morning or afternoon and I probably went to bed between dusk and dawn.
Surely that is enough for a court, lawyers can make the rest up if we are not sure.

We wouldn't want to rush the poor overpaid worthless leeches.
They may get their horsehair in a knot.

It took a long time for this investigation and I should know, considering the evidence obtained

[ace]

Nice to know the legal profession is moving with its' usual swiftness before anyone can forget and then imagine what happened.
Everyone will have vivid memories of what happened after only 18 months.

Afterall I can remember every detail of what I did on this day a year ago so everyone will remember after 18 months.
I got out of bed obviously, not sure if it was morning or afternoon and I probably went to bed between dusk and dawn.
Surely that is enough for a court, lawyers can make the rest up if we are not sure.

We wouldn't want to rush the poor overpaid worthless leeches.
They may get their horsehair in a knot.

It took a long time for this investigation and I should know, considering the evidence obtained

Now I am sure you can tell me in great detail what you did 12 days after the incident.
Lets see you try.
If they have been obtaining evidence all this time then surely the trial must last at least 3 months.
Gee, they must have interviewed at least 200 eye witnesses from the bedroom.

[St Fidelius]

Nice to know the legal profession is moving with its' usual swiftness before anyone can forget and then imagine what happened.
Everyone will have vivid memories of what happened after only 18 months.

Afterall I can remember every detail of what I did on this day a year ago so everyone will remember after 18 months.
I got out of bed obviously, not sure if it was morning or afternoon and I probably went to bed between dusk and dawn.
Surely that is enough for a court, lawyers can make the rest up if we are not sure.

We wouldn't want to rush the poor overpaid worthless leeches.
They may get their horsehair in a knot.

It took a long time for this investigation and I should know, considering the evidence obtained

Now I am sure you can tell me in great detail what you did 12 days after the incident.
Lets see you try.
If they have been obtaining evidence all this time then surely the trial must last at least 3 months.

Let me just say this....

I have no idea what you mean by "12 days after the incident"....

The amount of audits obtained were numerous, and take considerable time, when you consider the amount of audit request police conduct...


Consideration for legal action had to be obtained before consideration of any disciplinary action...

Consideration whether the "leak" may have jeopardised the case against the accused Lovett...

How's that for starters

[GoTheTorp]

Why is this C smoker even making news on this forum?

[St Fidelius]

Also ace....

There are other issues to consider...

"conflict of interest"...

an investigating member of the police force having previously worked with the subject member....

audits after audit are required and again it takes time...

Please don't belittle the legal system, you have to cross and tick EVERY box and once you have done that the DPP want more statements......, reading every police member that attended the scene and notes tken at the time ....

Saints players that were there at the time and shortly afterwards...
Again, it takes time

To get a charge in that time frame is a good result, considering we had audit issues during that time frame and had to wait 3 months to resolve.

I just detest the logic that some people think that it should be resolved earlier, when you consider we request audits and it just sits there because they are many other audits before you...

You just have to look at Operation Barrett that resulted in the sacking of a few members and the resignation of many more .....

There is only one or two people that do those audits, so you just have to Waite for those results and do some analysis...

The time frame is a good one IMO

I am sure I mentioned this case in the past and was accused of "big noting" myself...

saintspremeriers typically agreed with the majority ....

I am not "big noting" myself, I did the analysis of this case and presented it, pretty simple really...

I have never provided any evidence on this site as to the "subject member" his work location or any other details that would incriminate anyone....

Consider this, if you will.....

There were a number of detectives at the scene....

There were a number of saints players there and lots more shortly afterwards...

Just how long does anyone think it takes to run audits on all of them?????

Again, I believe we have done well

[ace]

Nice to know the legal profession is moving with its' usual swiftness before anyone can forget and then imagine what happened.
Everyone will have vivid memories of what happened after only 18 months.

Afterall I can remember every detail of what I did on this day a year ago so everyone will remember after 18 months.
I got out of bed obviously, not sure if it was morning or afternoon and I probably went to bed between dusk and dawn.
Surely that is enough for a court, lawyers can make the rest up if we are not sure.

We wouldn't want to rush the poor overpaid worthless leeches.
They may get their horsehair in a knot.

It took a long time for this investigation and I should know, considering the evidence obtained

Now I am sure you can tell me in great detail what you did 12 days after the incident.
Lets see you try.
If they have been obtaining evidence all this time then surely the trial must last at least 3 months.

Let me just say this....

I have no idea what you mean by "12 days after the incident"....

The amount of audits obtained were numerous, and take considerable time, when you consider the amount of audit request police conduct...


Consideration for legal action had to be obtained before consideration of any disciplinary action...

Consideration whether the "leak" may have jeopardised the case against the accused Lovett...

How's that for starters

My point with 12 days or it could be 13 or 14 days after is - no one trully remembers what they did on a given day 18 months prior to a court hearing.
They only have vague recollections & perceptions and yet the courts behave as if every detail is perfectly remembered like it happened a couple of minutes ago.
That can of beer you opened 18 months ago, did any spray come out.
If you say you remember then we both know you are lying.

If a court want a witnesses to remember details then the court must hear that evidence a bit sooner than 18 months.

Why can't the case be heard tommorrow - honest answer, tomorrow doesn't suit the horse hairs.

Due process in this case is almost over a year overdue already.

[The OtherThommo]

All you have to do, to see how Vicpol works, is to read page 2 of last Saturday's Age. That's the Underbelly page - John Silvester and Andrew Rule.
Last week they described, in detail, the Ocean Grove bus incident in the Jewish 1/4. Long story short - the driver of the OG bus was a cop. When the alleged assault victim told the attending coppers his assailant wore a pink tie, the driver jumped back on the bus and told the passengers to take their ties off.

The driver of the bus was a copper. He has since been promoted and never sanctioned for the blatant interference in an investigation - the Police Association would not allow it.

Do yourselves a google search and read the full story. It's a disgrace.

[St Fidelius]

Nice to know the legal profession is moving with its' usual swiftness before anyone can forget and then imagine what happened.
Everyone will have vivid memories of what happened after only 18 months.

Afterall I can remember every detail of what I did on this day a year ago so everyone will remember after 18 months.
I got out of bed obviously, not sure if it was morning or afternoon and I probably went to bed between dusk and dawn.
Surely that is enough for a court, lawyers can make the rest up if we are not sure.

We wouldn't want to rush the poor overpaid worthless leeches.
They may get their horsehair in a knot.

It took a long time for this investigation and I should know, considering the evidence obtained

Now I am sure you can tell me in great detail what you did 12 days after the incident.
Lets see you try.
If they have been obtaining evidence all this time then surely the trial must last at least 3 months.

Let me just say this....

I have no idea what you mean by "12 days after the incident"....

The amount of audits obtained were numerous, and take considerable time, when you consider the amount of audit request police conduct...


Consideration for legal action had to be obtained before consideration of any disciplinary action...

Consideration whether the "leak" may have jeopardised the case against the accused Lovett...

How's that for starters

My point with 12 days or it could be 13 or 14 days after is - no one trully remembers what they did on a given day 18 months prior to a court hearing.
They only have vague recollections & perceptions and yet the courts behave as if every detail is perfectly remembered like it happened a couple of minutes ago.
That can of beer you opened 18 months ago, did any spray come out.
If you say you remember then we both know you are lying.

If a court want a witnesses to remember details then the court must hear that evidence a bit sooner than 18 months.

Why can't the case be heard tommorrow - honest answer, tomorrow doesn't suit the horse hairs. already.

You are clearly clueless IMO and need to step back.....

a brief of evidence has been submitted and IMO was withnin 24 hours of approval of a criminal process....


I really don't know where you are coming from with your is issue od time, as I have previously explained... it takes months to receive audit requests'....

If you have a specific issue, with respect to time frames and interaction with complainants, even if it an Human Rights Issue I would,d gladly accept a PM from you...


I will not discuss my analysis presented to the court

[Eastern]

By my calculations this cop made his call to the "rumour file" about 4 hours after the "alleged" offence took place. He/she probably thought that he/she only had to wait until this Friday before collecting a $67,000 Lexus as the prize for rumour of the year.

Previous winners include 2 cops and a VicRoads Internal Investigations Officer !!

[eppo67]

[quote="The OtherThommo"]All you have to do, to see how Vicpol works, is to read page 2 of last Saturday's Age. That's the Underbelly page - John Silvester and Andrew Rule.
Last week they described, in detail, the Ocean Grove bus incident in the Jewish 1/4. Long story short - the driver of the OG bus was a cop. When the alleged assault victim told the attending coppers his assailant wore a pink tie, the driver jumped back on the bus and told the passengers to take their ties off.

The driver of the bus was a copper. He has since been promoted and never sanctioned for the blatant interference in an investigation - the Police Association would not allow it.

Do yourselves a google search and read the full story. It's a disgrace.[/quote

WOW corruption of the highest order he should go before the War crimes tribunal at the UN. Go back to watching the ABC and reading 'The Big Issue' you clown.

So thanks for letting us know how the 10,000 + members of Vic Pol work based on the actions of 1 off duty copper driving a bus full of drunken footballers you pole smoker!