Gaertner Going .. ????

[Con Gorozidis]

. if u dont want to play footy u dont want to play footy.

I suspect that the playing footy part is fine. 2 hours of competitive action.

But that the training: pumpoing weights, running laps, dooing drills etc...just does not grab him.

Some like Banger enjoy it...others just suffer through it..

yeah. by "playing footy" i mean the whole afl thing. beetham for instance was happy enough paying in the ammos.

[markp]

The potential rewards are enormous, but the dedication required and the ability to deal with relentless and highly stressful physical workloads must be too.

How much harder to face at the very start of pre-season (when all your mates are gearing up for summer) for a kid of 20?

[jays]

feel bad for the guy

[B W and R all over]

Plenty of perks but there is a sacrifice.

It would be frustrating as a 20 year old to see all your mates going out every weekend, getting drunk and having the time of their lives.

Some of them might go travelling together too, on a European summer trip maybe.

You can't do any of that as an AFL footballer. It's a major lifestyle sacrifice and that's probably why AFL players tend to become such great mates with their teammates because you simply can't live anywhere near a similar life to those not on an AFL list.

[spert]

Sorry to see a young player move on, but IMHO our players at Sandy in the 2010 season just didn't show enough hunger to warrant senior games.

[borderbarry]

My question.... Since List Lodgement 3 was yesterday, is'nt it too late now for us to be able to pick up a rookie to replace him? Wont we have to carry his spot for the whole season now?

[shmic_s]

My question.... Since List Lodgement 3 was yesterday, is'nt it too late now for us to be able to pick up a rookie to replace him? Wont we have to carry his spot for the whole season now?

I'm not sure exactly, but you'd think with the rookie draft still to take place we can select our full quota.

[bigred]

Well..

Harden the f*** up or get the f*** out.

Chosen the wrong career path.

[Dr Spaceman]

Well..

Harden the f*** up or get the f*** out.

Chosen the wrong career path.

Bit rough red!

By all accounts the guy's making arrangements to get out. I'm sure blokes have joined the Army or Police Force or whatever only to find it wasn't for them. These things happen.

[bigred]

Exactly.

If you cant commit to the workload, then its not for you.

There is the door.

Its not harsh, its just life....

[Bono]

He was a waste of a pick. They should of delisted him off their own bat, not wait for him to approach them and go through his issues with why he wasnt getting a go. He had a good 2006 U16s and has severley gone backwards since then.

[Spinner]

Not everyone has the same dreams to play AFL. Fair enough.


Cant get over people wanting young players that havnt deserved a game to be included in the seniors while we are near the top...

If people on here had their way 30 players would run out each week in Saints colours.

[Dr Spaceman]

He was a waste of a pick. They should of delisted him off their own bat, not wait for him to approach them and go through his issues with why he wasnt getting a go. He had a good 2006 U16s and has severley gone backwards since then.

Pick 53 in the Rookie Draft.

Yeah, real waste of a pick

[saintbrat]

Now on the HS website

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5960802722

As I have said previously I am a fan, but really how does a guy who was about to enter his 3rd year on the rookie list warrant this media attention?

The media are clearly desperate for a story when a rookie who has never played a senior game wanting out becomes a headline.....

no it's more likely that some in the media would like to find deeep dark secrets behind people leavng the saints = and as much as any one person who has done so can say differant - slants like that story and commentators wanting to' break news'.

and maybe we are getting ' big enough' as a club that just like the pies- everything we do is scrutinised--

re delist date- given he supposedly told the club yesterday then maybe they did make list lodgment time...

[Bono]

[quote="Dr Spaceman"][quote="Bono"]He was a waste of a pick. They should of delisted him off their own bat, not wait for him to approach them and go through his issues with why he wasnt getting a go. He had a good 2006 U16s and has severley gone backwards since then.[/quote]
Pick 53 in the Rookie Draft.

Yeah, real waste of a pick [/quote]

Yeah - a waste of a pick. Considering Jay van Berlo, Greg Broughton, Sam Jacobs, Scott Reed and Matt Suckling were taken after him.

[Dr Spaceman]

He was a waste of a pick. They should of delisted him off their own bat, not wait for him to approach them and go through his issues with why he wasnt getting a go. He had a good 2006 U16s and has severley gone backwards since then.

Pick 53 in the Rookie Draft.

Yeah, real waste of a pick

Yeah - a waste of a pick. Considering Jay van Berlo, Greg Broughton, Sam Jacobs, Scott Reed and Matt Suckling were taken after him.

Fair point, but so were a heap of blokes that never made it. No way of knowing who we would have picked if not SG (we also took Ross Tungatulum before Broughton)

Gaertner probably had just as much potential as the players you mention but neither the club or SG himself probably had any idea that 2 years in the system would take away his enthusiasm for the game.

Really, if we're talking wasted draft picks there's years of examples we could cite that would be more relevant than this one IMO.

It's certainly not in the Michael Frost class of wastage

[Bernard Shakey]

Good luck in whatever you choose to do with your life Steven.
I've enjoyed watching you play at Sandy.

[plugger66]

Now on the HS website

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5960802722

As I have said previously I am a fan, but really how does a guy who was about to enter his 3rd year on the rookie list warrant this media attention?

The media are clearly desperate for a story when a rookie who has never played a senior game wanting out becomes a headline.....

no it's more likely that some in the media would like to find deeep dark secrets behind people leavng the saints = and as much as any one person who has done so can say differant - slants like that story and commentators wanting to' break news'.

and maybe we are getting ' big enough' as a club that just like the pies- everything we do is scrutinised--

re delist date- given he supposedly told the club yesterday then maybe they did make list lodgment time...

Crap. But at least get the chip off your shoulder. You look like you have a slant.

[SainterK]

Now on the HS website

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5960802722

As I have said previously I am a fan, but really how does a guy who was about to enter his 3rd year on the rookie list warrant this media attention?

The media are clearly desperate for a story when a rookie who has never played a senior game wanting out becomes a headline.....

no it's more likely that some in the media would like to find deeep dark secrets behind people leavng the saints = and as much as any one person who has done so can say differant - slants like that story and commentators wanting to' break news'.

and maybe we are getting ' big enough' as a club that just like the pies- everything we do is scrutinised--

re delist date- given he supposedly told the club yesterday then maybe they did make list lodgment time...

Crap. But at least get the chip off your shoulder. You look like you have a slant.

Why would they say this then plugger....

If Gaertner is released, as expected, he will add to the exodus at Moorabbin in recent months.

[plugger66]

Now on the HS website

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5960802722

As I have said previously I am a fan, but really how does a guy who was about to enter his 3rd year on the rookie list warrant this media attention?

The media are clearly desperate for a story when a rookie who has never played a senior game wanting out becomes a headline.....

no it's more likely that some in the media would like to find deeep dark secrets behind people leavng the saints = and as much as any one person who has done so can say differant - slants like that story and commentators wanting to' break news'.

and maybe we are getting ' big enough' as a club that just like the pies- everything we do is scrutinised--

re delist date- given he supposedly told the club yesterday then maybe they did make list lodgment time...

Crap. But at least get the chip off your shoulder. You look like you have a slant.

Why would they say this then plugger....

If Gaertner is released, as expected, he will add to the exodus at Moorabbin in recent months.

You are actually right. They are all after us. They would never say that about another club. Just out of interest do you take everything written about other clubs and study it like you would the Saints?

[saintbrat]

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Crap. But at least get the chip off your shoulder. You look like you have a slant.

I'll mention it to the physiotherapist



But why mention coaches leaving in a story about a rookie?

[Dr Spaceman]

I'll agree with p66 in as much as some posters do tend to jump at shadows on occasions.

However this one is a bit strange. The Age had a small piece on Gaertner this morning however the online HS this afternoon had it as their lead AFL story. A guy who was pick 53 in the Rookie Draft 2 years ago, who has never played seniors or even looked close to it, is thinking of giving it away. I don't analyze the media on rival clubs but I don't recall any stories of the departure of rookies, or untried senior listed players for that matter, that have been so prominent.

And the reference to coaching departures is, IMO, raised in the same way some posters have to imply there's a problem with Saints/Ross/Seaford.

If a journo's got something to say they should just say it!

[Con Gorozidis]

Sorry to see a young player move on, but IMHO our players at Sandy in the 2010 season just didn't show enough hunger to warrant senior games.

the fact none of them did tells me something wasnt right. u cant tell me they are all no good. the coach didnt encourage performance. only roles and positions. which isnt very motivational. i have a feeling the penny has dropped and the kids will be more motivated and there will be more mobility and performance based promotion with less emphasis on role and more on footy talent.

[ace]

It seems an odd time to be wanting to leave the club. Will he be delisted at List Lodgement 3., and will we pick up an additional rookie to compesnate?
But what about him? Could he have been promised a rookie spot and possible games elsewhere?

List Lodgement 3 was yesterday bb so it appears not.

He was on the rookie list at list lodgement No2.
The club website makes no mention of him being cut from the rookie list so it is reasonable to assume he was still rookie listed at Lodgement No3.
The AFL is yet to publish these.

The number of rookie picks St Kilda gets is locked in stone at List Lodgement No3.
If he did not notify the club in time for them to drop him before list Lodgement No3, he will cost St Kilda and another kid a rookie place at St Kilda.

If St Kilda did not delist him at List Lodgement No3, he can not nominate for the rookie or pre-season draft, because the cutoff for out of contract listed players to nominate was before List Lodgement No3.
His only AFL football choice for 2011 is as a rookie at St Kilda.

If he quits he is very unlikely to be ever picked up by another AFL club ever.
They would not waste a place on someone who is not fully committed.
His decision is one he has to live with the rest of his life.
It is a tough call for a kid of his age.

[ace]

Geez people talk s*** on here.

Listen, he basically doesn't have the commitment to live the AFL lifestyle - training non stop, eating & breathing football, it's not the life he wants.

Kudos to him for being honest with himself & kudos to the club for giving him every opportunity to prove himself.

And kudos to him for making the decision now and allowing the club to have an extra selection in the rookie draft.

Too late - List Lodgement No3 was the cutoff.
If he quits, St Kilda does not get a replacement rookie.
He will simply have blocked the chance for another kid who really wants a rookie place.