List Lodgement No 1

[ChicagoSaint]

trust is a relative concept when what you believe in is information.
either information is correct or incorrect there is no half-correct.
unfortunately both the age and the herald sun are usually incorrect.
if you believe what you read from them regarding our list you'll get the usual.

[Dr Spaceman]

This is the major sporting competition in Australia.

Clubs must adhere to rules, regulations & deadlines.

In the case of List Lodgement 1 that was 5pm last night.

Now maybe it's because it's the weekend and therefore we may have to wait til Monday.

But we should be able to see a definitive list that shows exactly who is on our senior list and who is a veteran (either inside or outside the list). We should be able to see who our Rookies, International Rookies and Scholarship holders are.

In short we should be able to tell exactly how many spots we have left.
We should be able to tell what is the go with Tom Simpkin, Tommy Walsh and Kane Murphy (in the case of TS, if you take The Age for example he is neither promoted, retained or delisted)

Hopefully things will become clearly when the AFL opens for business nest week!

[ChicagoSaint]

here here it's unacceptable

[avid]

My copy of the Age seems to say T Simpkin has both been promoted from the rookie list and retained on it.

Any other versions out there??

[Richter]

Bono- do you have a link for the listing
was it this one
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 5945367592

and Richter- to my knowledge Lenny is already listed as a veteran.- Jason would be a change to Veteran listing..

still awaiting full list publication.

Thanks SB.

Still makes me laugh that a bloke who is 29 is now labelled a 'veteran'. I'm nearly 7 years older than him and in my chosen career I'm barely started! Strange!

On the subject of JB, I saw him doing stretches by the beach a couple of weeks ago. Good to see him keeping in shape over the off season!

[saintbrat]

true - age becomes subsequent as we get there

Lenny will be 31 in 2011 and Jason 30

Jason only requires 13 games for 200

the other players who have crept up are Milney and Bakes- both turn 31 in 2011

[thirty-seven!?]

Baker on Veteran list too I think...

[saintbrat]

Baker on Veteran list too I think...

that would restrict the rookie list...... the more veterans we ahve the less rookie spots.

next List Lodgment is only 2 weeks away..

[Dr Spaceman]

Baker on Veteran list too I think...

that would restrict the rookie list...... the more veterans we ahve the less rookie spots.

next List Lodgment is only 2 weeks away..

Surely that means more senior list players though.

I suppose it therefore depends on the depth of your talent as to which way you want to go.

[ace]

our list changes from this mornings age.......doesn't look right to me...


ST KILDA

IN

Traded in: NIL
Elevated Rookies:

OUT

Retired: Steven King, Jesse Smith
Traded: NIL
Delisted: Andrew Lovett, Blake McGrath, Mark Hutchings, Adam Pattison
Picks: NIL

National draft picks 21, 39, 56, 73, 107, 124, 141.

Can't trust the media to be accurate with this I'm afraid.

What I'd like to see, on the AFL or Saints website, is our actual list as it now stands. That would give you a far better insight than just listing the changes.

The AFL is yet to publish the offical lists.
They have published this

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
ST KILDA
NAB AFL Draft selections: 24, 42, 59, 76, 93
Delistings and retirements: Mark Hutchings*, Steven King, Andrew Lovett, Blake McGrath*, Adam Pattison, Jesse Smith
Additions: Tom Simpkin (rookie elevation)
Approach: The main deficiency in the Saints' game plan seems to be leg speed. It was certainly an area highlighted in the grand final replay and St Kilda will be keen to stock up on quick players at the draft.
Dream selection: Tasmanian Josh Green has plenty of pace and knows how to back himself. He can play in front of goals and in the midfield and is sure to come into St Kilda's calculations if as expected he is still available towards the end of the first round.


NOTE The Age even got our draft picks numbers wrong
AND the AFL has not assigned pick numbers to the compensation picks most of which may be taken after the first found.
AND the AFL does not count the 12 players signed by Gold Coast ahead of the draft as draft picks.
The pick numbers give a very false impression of what pciks 24, 42 and 59 can deliver.
They are equivalent to 36 , around 60 and around 80.

[ace]

Baker on Veteran list too I think...

that would restrict the rookie list...... the more veterans we ahve the less rookie spots.

next List Lodgment is only 2 weeks away..

Surely that means more senior list players though.

I suppose it therefore depends on the depth of your talent as to which way you want to go.

No! Baker was never placed on the Veteran outside the senior list of 38.
Now we will have Hayes and Blake outside the senior list of 38.
Only half their pay counts against the salary cap.

Both Baker and Milne now qualify as veterans but they will both be veteran inside the senior list of 38.
Their full pay counts against the salary cap.

If the club were to use the veteran pay discount against the salary cap for either one or both of Baker or Milne then the discount on Hayes' and Blake's pay would only be 33 1/3% or 25% instead of 50%.
Not very smart considering the size of Hayes' pay.

Milne qualified on age last year but did not qualify for having 10 years at the club.

[ace]

Promoting only Simpkin
Moving Blake to the veteran outside the senior list of 38
AND delisting Lovett, King, J Smith and Patterson
LEAVES 4 vacant slots on the senior list which MUST be filled.

Promoting only Simpkin
AND delisting Hutchings, Allen and L Fisher (because they have not been retained*)
LEAVES 3 rookie slots to be filled (only 2 slots may remain unfilled)

*However I hope there is an error in the HUN because they do not list Tommy Walsh as being retained.
Walsh was NEVER on a scholarship, he was preselected as an international rookie but once rookied became a normal rookie, he needed to be retained as 2nd year rookie or promoted to the senior list (do we really want to be forced to use pick 73 but equivalent to a late 90s in an uncompromised draft).

Delisting McGrath
ADDING Jackson Ferguson only
LEAVES 2 former scholarship rookie slots unfilled

[ace]

I am disappointed that Kane Murphy did not make it as a former scholarship rookie.
The club used a scholarship on him for 3 years (I think) for no return.

I hope it does not pan out that he rejected a St Kilda rookie slot so that later Sydney could offer him a NSW zone rookie slot prior to the rookie draft.
His father played for Sydney but Sydney did not offer him a scholarship.

[saintbrat]

Ace- Nick isn'r old enough to be added to the veterans List-
if the current published ( h-S) info corect then veterans named will be Hayes and Blake

players needs to be 30 and have played 10 years


Are Milney and Blake now eligble for life membership>? along with Nick and Kosi?

[ace]

Ace- Nick isn'r old enough to be added to the veterans List-
if the current published ( h-S) info corect then veterans named will be Hayes and Blake

players needs to be 30 and have played 10 years


Are Milney and Blake now eligble for life membership>? along with Nick and Kosi?

Sorry I meant Lenny Hayes also meant Blake in the second line too.
I must not hit Submit button in the morniing until I am awake.

[saintly]

maybe Walsh is not on the rookie list becuase the saints dropped him? they could have, could they not? and just not tell us!

[Dr Spaceman]

maybe Walsh is not on the rookie list becuase the saints dropped him? they could have, could they not? and just not tell us!

As I posted on another thread Tommy recently told the Irish media "Hopefully next year I can push on and get into the first team and get a few games. That's my goal and I just have to work hard to get there.'

So you would have to assume Tommy's keen to go on.

Therefore, if he were not on the list it would have to be because the Saints no longer want him. Given the trouble they went to get him here in the first place, and his better than expected performances for Sandy, that would appear most unlikely.

Let's face it, at worst he's taking up a Rookie spot and by nature they normally go to speculative picks, which Tommy was, and is.

Don't worry, Tommy will be on a list of ours somewhere.

[saintly]

maybe Walsh is not on the rookie list becuase the saints dropped him? they could have, could they not? and just not tell us!

As I posted on another thread Tommy recently told the Irish media "Hopefully next year I can push on and get into the first team and get a few games. That's my goal and I just have to work hard to get there.'

So you would have to assume Tommy's keen to go on.

Therefore, if he were not on the list it would have to be because the Saints no longer want him. Given the trouble they went to get him here in the first place, and his better than expected performances for Sandy, that would appear most unlikely.

Let's face it, at worst he's taking up a Rookie spot and by nature they normally go to speculative picks, which Tommy was, and is.

Don't worry, Tommy will be on a list of ours somewhere.

but its pretty crap that we don't know what is going on!!!! The lack of communication is pretty bad!

[Dr Spaceman]

maybe Walsh is not on the rookie list becuase the saints dropped him? they could have, could they not? and just not tell us!

As I posted on another thread Tommy recently told the Irish media "Hopefully next year I can push on and get into the first team and get a few games. That's my goal and I just have to work hard to get there.'

So you would have to assume Tommy's keen to go on.

Therefore, if he were not on the list it would have to be because the Saints no longer want him. Given the trouble they went to get him here in the first place, and his better than expected performances for Sandy, that would appear most unlikely.

Let's face it, at worst he's taking up a Rookie spot and by nature they normally go to speculative picks, which Tommy was, and is.

Don't worry, Tommy will be on a list of ours somewhere.

but its pretty crap that we don't know what is going on!!!! The lack of communication is pretty bad!

Agree.

The lack of an updated playing list from the club, or from the AFL, has been a great cause for concern for most on here!

[Bono]

Just realised that what the AFL sent out on Friday is unbelievably inaccurate.

The club sent an email out saying we delisted McGrath and Hutchins yet they werent on the AFL list.

And as mentioned by others, theres no mention of Kane Murphy or Tommy Walsh.

Numerous other club retirements / delistings were overlooked as well by the AFL including Graham Polak, Cameron Cloke, Bart McCulloch, Christian Block and a handful of others.

[saintbrat]

but its pretty crap that we don't know what is going on!!!! The lack of communication is pretty bad!

Agree.

The lack of an updated playing list from the club, or from the AFL, has been a great cause for concern for most on here!

Can I pose a suggestion
with a question.

how many of you have had a holiday weekend? left work at 5 pm Friday and will not go back till 9 am tomorrow- or 8 am or near?
the club will I am fairly certain have let the AFL know the required information at the required time the time was extended to 5 pm- if not the AFL will fine us- what's new they have fined just about every part of the St Kilda organisation over the last few years- thank good ness we are doing well enough to pay it...

it is ONLY the first list lodgment
there are two more....
and anything can happen between now and the end of November

the Saints staff and the AFL staff will be reduced over this current period as both take the opportunity to have holkidays- given many have worked 6-7 days per week for some months..

as stated above- the Saints were not the only team NOT with lists published by the familiar media- who have only gone on a previously given short list...

[Saints Premiers 2008]

It isn't a big deal that we don't know for sure/at a later date who has been delisted, upgraded etc. We have had a bloody tough year so a bit of leeway should be given.

[GoTheTorp]

It isn't a big deal that we don't know for sure/at a later date who has been delisted, upgraded etc. We have had a bloody tough year so a bit of leeway should be given.

+1

we will all know in due course.

[Spinner]

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PS Tommy is on the list!

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran -outside list)
3. Blake, Jason (veteran - inside list)
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. Koschitzke, Justin
22. Lynch, Tom
23. McEvoy, Ben
24. McQualter, Andrew
25. Miles, Luke
26. Milne, Stephen
27. Montagna, Leigh
28. Peake, Brett
29. Ray, Farren
30. Riewoldt, Nick
31. Schneider, Adam
32. Simpkin, Tom
33. Smith, Alistair
34. Stanley, Rhys
35. Steven, Jack
36. Winmar, Nicholas
37.
38.
39.
40.
Rookie list
1. Archer, Daniel
2. Ferguson, Jackson**
3. Gaertner, Steven
4. Walsh, Tommy*
5.
6.
7.
8.

[Animal Enclosure]

So based on that list we will have four picks in the National Draft (and/or Pre Season Draft) and four new rookies as well.

Likely to see 8 new kids added to the list. That is exciting.