trade rumour

[dragit]

well according to SEN to night. The saints will not be trading anyone. or maybe noone is interested in our players?

a sad and sorry state, if noone wants to even ask about players.

Seriously, for a team that made the GF, you seriously have to ask some questions about the comments on our players in the media and by people on this board. You all need to wake up a bit. We were carrying quite a few injuries but unlike the Bulldogs and other teams, we don't use it as excuses.

The reason no one is enquiring about our players is because all bar a few are signed up. Really, some on here need to get some serious perspective. A GF loss DOES NOT mean that all our players are shot and not fit to play footy at the highest level!

Agree pretty much.

I'm not surprised that we are not trading this year. We have a bunch of delistings anyway. We have rookie list room and will use all draft pick bar maybe the last one.

We still have positives on our list. f*** sake, you don't make two GF's in a row without a decent list. Delistings will be interesting, as will next years game plan.

A couple of our rooks will be better after another preseason.

Me too…

Although I don't think we should delist McQualter and Peake, I would prefer to see Geary/Miles/Steven/Armitage replace them in the side next year, for decent patches… for 6-7 games in a row. It must be deflating to be dropped quicker than others consistently.

[saint75]

well according to SEN to night. The saints will not be trading anyone. or maybe noone is interested in our players?

a sad and sorry state, if noone wants to even ask about players.

Seriously, for a team that made the GF, you seriously have to ask some questions about the comments on our players in the media and by people on this board. You all need to wake up a bit. We were carrying quite a few injuries but unlike the Bulldogs and other teams, we don't use it as excuses.

The reason no one is enquiring about our players is because all bar a few are signed up. Really, some on here need to get some serious perspective. A GF loss DOES NOT mean that all our players are shot and not fit to play footy at the highest level!

Agree pretty much.

I'm not surprised that we are not trading this year. We have a bunch of delistings anyway. We have rookie list room and will use all draft pick bar maybe the last one.

We still have positives on our list. f*** sake, you don't make two GF's in a row without a decent list. Delistings will be interesting, as will next years game plan.

A couple of our rooks will be better after another preseason.

Really excited about next year. To be honest, there is not much going around in the draft that is worthy of a second round pick let alone a first if we are brutally honest. People seem to have such a low opinion of our list because they listen too much to the media and because we lost a GF. Ross HAS recruited well over the last couple of years. His recruiting has allowed us to now focus on developing youth whilst maintaining a chance at the flag for the next few years with the bigger and the harder bodies if the young ones can't stand up come September. Lovett was a calculated risk. Didn't pay off, but it WAS worth the risk. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and no one could have predicted his actions last Christmas.

Reading through the summary list of the first round draft picks and excited to see whom we may get as that is not a bad batch of young players coming through, no matter where you are positioned in the 'picking' order. Let's go with youth (we have plenty of seasoned bodies) and develop what we need in house whilst still maintaining a strong presence in September.

Scoff if you will, time will tell if I am wrong or not.

[bigred]

Oh yeah don't get me wrong. We have substantial issues.

We DO....have some kids that hopefully will get some game time in 2011.

Miles, Steven, Smith, Simpkin, Winmar, Lynch and even Walsh.

There is some youth around, but they under Lyon, they don't seem to get a sniff until they have a couple of years in the magoos.

I know we have to change quite a few things for next year, but the list isn't dreadful. Time is of course important as some quality players are getting into the latter part of their careers.

Delistings and draft days will be interesting.

[saintsRrising]

Our list can't be that bad as we have made 2 (3)GF's in a row....and also in my opinion we have some good young players ready to push up.

Being near our salary cap we cannot hope to attract any stars....so that just means that we may snap up an average player if one presents or a low trade cost.

And if just average...do we need them?

Is there an average player with brilliant footskills?

[saint75]

Oh yeah don't get me wrong. We have substantial issues.

Do you honestly see anything going around in trade week that will help with some of those issues? Honestly without clutching at straws like so many on here have been doing this week?

We DO....have some kids that hopefully will get some game time in 2011.

Miles, Steven, Smith, Simpkin, Winmar, Lynch and even Walsh.

Will definitely be getting more game time. A lot of those younger kids were injured throughout most of the season or just weren't ready to be pushed into the side. A shame as with Roo going down, earlier this year would have been a good time.

There is some youth around, but they under Lyon, they don't seem to get a sniff until they have a couple of years in the magoos.

I know we have to change quite a few things for next year, but the list isn't dreadful. Time is of course important as some quality players are getting into the latter part of their careers.

Delistings and draft days will be interesting.

In all honestly, all of the non-winning GF clubs have issues as they were unable to win the cup. The gulf between the top 3 and the rest was startling this year. It will be interesting to see how it plays out next year.

Always interested to see what rabbit Ross has to pull out of his hat. Knowing Ross, you can guarantee there will be one for next year.

[Thinline]

I think much of the doom and gloom is fuelled by understandable disappointment at seeing our game plan overhauled by opposition and having a frankly appalling strike rate when it comes to luck during th e big moments.

Fact is Lyon is KNOWN to hold talent back.

He can't do that now. We need pace, and injection of fresh, hungry, creative talent to enliven the group and a core that can still go around with the best of them. Stanley, Armitage, Simpkin, Eddy, Geary etc ARE it. Work like dogs, boys. You are carrying the load from now on.

Less stoppers, more doers.

Maybe that's one for the slogan thread?

[bigred]

Do you honestly see anything going around in trade week that will help with some of those issues? Honestly without clutching at straws like so many on here have been doing this week?

Not really. Not with the players being offered.

Krakouer maybe, but we got hellishly burned on Lovett so once bitten....

Tambling...I was at a TAC game the year before he was drafted. He was a dead set freak. Deserved to go ahead of Franklin etc...
I always thought that Wallace ruined him and that he would grow at another club. Richmond bent Adelaide over though.

We may as well use our picks.

Again...Delistings could be interesting.

[saint75]

Again...Delistings could be interesting.

Who goes apart from the obvious being King (ret), Allen, Fisher and Jesse Smith?

Possibly 1 or 2 more. Don't see any other massive changes though.

[saintly]

having contracted players does not mean we can't trade them. We do have issues, fast players, mid fielders, players to replace milne, blake, baker even hayes.

they are all 30 and over.

we now nearly have the oldest list and nearly the slowest.

[skeptic]

Peake has lost a lot of credibility despite the fact that he actually had a pretty decent year for us
he's worth hanging onto though

Mini though simply doesn't do enough IMO.
His role in the team in to pressure. IMO that's the bare minimum that should be expected of a player. His contribution to the team should be runs through the midfield, average of 15'ish possessions + an ocassional bigger game.
Should be kicking goals from time to time too

The Saints downfall is that we have too many players that have an expectation of 1 role and 1 only.
Kosi - bring the ball to ground (needs to get goals)
Jones - stop his opponent (needs to hurt the opp the other way like he was earlier in the year)
Dempster - stop his opponent (has the attributes to be damaging on return)

[saint75]

having contracted players does not mean we can't trade them. We do have issues, fast players, mid fielders, players to replace milne, blake, baker even hayes.

they are all 30 and over.

we now nearly have the oldest list and nearly the slowest.

The average age of our list was only a year in difference to Collingwoods.

Next......

[saintly]

oh and never mind Kosi or mcqualter or geary or eddy.

Kosi has now for me just been a disapointment. his only excuse could be if he was injured. If he was then i would forgive him for some of the bad games that he has played. Unfortunately he is looked as someone who never realised their potential except for 4 games in 2005.

[bigred]

Again...Delistings could be interesting.

Who goes apart from the obvious being King (ret), Allen, Fisher and Jesse Smith?

Possibly 1 or 2 more. Don't see any other massive changes though.

That's the question.

Dempster?
Mini?

Kosi.....

Who knows. Lyon will probably retain the lot.

[SainterK]

oh and never mind Kosi or mcqualter or geary or eddy.

Kosi has now for me just been a disapointment. his only excuse could be if he was injured. If he was then i would forgive him for some of the bad games that he has played. Unfortunately he is looked as someone who never realised their potential except for 4 games in 2005.

Saintbrat put a link on here recently, about the efforts the club had gone to with Kosi. Mentioned the players know he is carrying injury from memory?

[gringo]

Don't get caught up in rebuilding talk. We will go close again. If we go in with a little luck with injuries after making the top 4 we should be every chance again.

We had a great year injury wise last year with much the same list, GF2 we played a heap of beaten players and it showed, Collingwood had an amazing run with injuries this year.

We look like the midfield depth got tested and should expect some improvement from guys down the bottom of the list. 2009 Kosi played as a foil forward who would clear space for Rooey, on his own this year he played with 2 backs on him, he isn't Riewoldt. He is slow and immobile he can't be more than he is. The 2 work well together and if both played at once make Kosi a more effective player.

We need a bigger contribution from our small forwards. Gwilt stopped a lot of ball going out last year as did Schnider. Mini needs pressure on his spot but needs Schnides released from mid field duty to play forward.