Edit: NO TRADES!!! Saints to not be big traders....

[saint75]

"Obviously you haven't been listening all year and ESPECIALLY the last few days. .....

How we didn't win the spoon this year has me amazed! "


The comments people make on this forum are not necessarily the truth. You cannot be serious that we should have won the spoon. NO clubs have unbeatable lists any more. That's the point of the draft, salary cap and national competition.

Plus, a list is not everything. For example , Geelong will still have a pretty good list on paper in 2011 but I believe they will dive down the ladder. New coach, players getting older etc.

No, I am not serious. Go back and read my post. The comments were made 'tongue in cheek'. They were not my comments, they are comments that have been made by the media. My point was that the way they have been talking about our list, we should have won the spoon.

[kalsaint]

Man, if we have to go again with this same list, we've seriously got our work cut out for us. 3 chances to win a flag in just over 12 months and 5 prelims in the past 7 seasons, with this core group, and no flag from any of that and they're all of a sudden going to do it next year, with all the mental scarring that is likely after all these missed opportunities? That will take a monumental effort.

I agree. Problem is the salary cap. We have no room unless we trade out some players. Doesn't sound like RL and co want to do that....

To progress we will have to trade.
To not trade means no improvement.
What happened with Lovett? Do we get a reprieve to the team salary cap given his sacking?

We cant keep the last 6-8 players without an investment in pace.

[bigcarl]

St Kilda is paying close to 100 per cent of its salary cap, leaving the Saints with little opportunity to recruit players from rival clubs in this week's player.

So be it.

This surely represents the chance for Steven, Stanley, Geary, Armitage, Miles, Walsh, Heyne etc to grab a guernsey and make it their own.

We need what Collingwood had this season and we had in 2009 ... Intense competition for just about every spot.

The Magpies made some hard calls on veterans keeping kids out of the 22 and are now reaping the benefits.

We need to do the same and, of course, we need to do it wisely. It will upset the pecking order and no doubt put noses out of joint, but (IMO) it has to be done for us to have another shot at the Holy Grail any time soon.

It's a tough business and there is only limited room for sentiment. Anyone not producing needs to be looking over his shoulder.

No exceptions.

There needs to be greater emphasis on kicking winning scores and developing a killer instinct, but I'll leave that to another thread.

[saintspremiers]

St Kilda is paying close to 100 per cent of its salary cap, leaving the Saints with little opportunity to recruit players from rival clubs in this week's player.

So be it.

This surely represents the chance for Steven, Stanley, Geary, Armitage, Miles, Walsh, Heyne etc to grab a guernsey and make it their own.

We need what Collingwood had this season and we had in 2009 ... Intense competition for just about every spot.

The Magpies made some hard calls on veterans keeping kids out of the 22 and are now reaping the benefits.

We need to do the same and, of course, we need to do it wisely. It will upset the pecking order and no doubt put noses out of joint, but (IMO) it has to be done for us to have another shot at the Holy Grail any time soon.

It's a tough business and there is only limited room for sentiment. Anyone not producing needs to be looking over his shoulder.

No exceptions.

There needs to be greater emphasis on kicking winning scores and developing a killer instinct, but I'll leave that to another thread.

The Pies are a million miles ahead of us in player development given the young age and maturing of their list of the next few years.

They also are going to turn over quite a lot of dead wood, so should be able to snare at least one or two guns that will help them in 3 or 4 years time.

Make no mistake - they could do a Geelong or Brisbane Lions and dominate for the next 3 or 4 seasons, wouldn't surprise me.

Just hoping the players you named develop is not enough IMO, we need to find/draft/trade for 2 or 3 other players that fill the gaps.

[saint66au]

The harsh truth is, our list are either required players or have no trade currency unless sweetened with picks, which RL is on the record as saying he's keen to use on youth

[bigcarl]

we need to find/draft/trade for 2 or 3 other players that fill the gaps.

The indications are that we will not, but who knows.

I'd prefer to develop our own rather than throw in more discards ... unless we can get a real bargain somewhere.

[SainterK]

St Kilda is paying close to 100 per cent of its salary cap, leaving the Saints with little opportunity to recruit players from rival clubs in this week's player.

So be it.

This surely represents the chance for Steven, Stanley, Geary, Armitage, Miles, Walsh, Heyne etc to grab a guernsey and make it their own.

We need what Collingwood had this season and we had in 2009 ... Intense competition for just about every spot.

The Magpies made some hard calls on veterans keeping kids out of the 22 and are now reaping the benefits.

We need to do the same and, of course, we need to do it wisely. It will upset the pecking order and no doubt put noses out of joint, but (IMO) it has to be done for us to have another shot at the Holy Grail any time soon.

It's a tough business and there is only limited room for sentiment. Anyone not producing needs to be looking over his shoulder.

No exceptions.

There needs to be greater emphasis on kicking winning scores and developing a killer instinct, but I'll leave that to another thread.

The Pies are a million miles ahead of us in player development given the young age and maturing of their list of the next few years.

They also are going to turn over quite a lot of dead wood, so should be able to snare at least one or two guns that will help them in 3 or 4 years time.

Make no mistake - they could do a Geelong or Brisbane Lions and dominate for the next 3 or 4 seasons, wouldn't surprise me.

Just hoping the players you named develop is not enough IMO, we need to find/draft/trade for 2 or 3 other players that fill the gaps.

Could also do a Hawthorn of 2008

[SainterK]

Saints football manager Greg Hutchison tells #tradeweek radio his club will be quiet over the next few days. Doesn't expect much action.

[SaintSimmo]

Saints football manager Greg Hutchison tells #tradeweek radio his club will be quiet over the next few days. Doesn't expect much action.

thats no fun

[saintlee]

Saints football manager Greg Hutchison tells #tradeweek radio his club will be quiet over the next few days. Doesn't expect much action.

thats no fun

Personally I'm happy we won't be trading much. I would prefer we focus on finding some decent kids after last year's wasted draft.

[SaintSimmo]

Saints football manager Greg Hutchison tells #tradeweek radio his club will be quiet over the next few days. Doesn't expect much action.

thats no fun

Personally I'm happy we won't be trading much. I would prefer we focus on finding some decent kids after last year's wasted draft.

true but there are some good quality players up for trade this year which would suit us quite well but clearly we dont have the $$$

[saintlee]

Saints football manager Greg Hutchison tells #tradeweek radio his club will be quiet over the next few days. Doesn't expect much action.

thats no fun

Personally I'm happy we won't be trading much. I would prefer we focus on finding some decent kids after last year's wasted draft.

true but there are some good quality players up for trade this year which would suit us quite well but clearly we dont have the $$$

Exactly why we should focus on the draft, we simply don't have the salary cap room.

[degruch]

Saints football manager Greg Hutchison tells #tradeweek radio his club will be quiet over the next few days. Doesn't expect much action.

thats no fun

Personally I'm happy we won't be trading much. I would prefer we focus on finding some decent kids after last year's wasted draft.

true but there are some good quality players up for trade this year which would suit us quite well but clearly we dont have the $$$

A lot of them have gone already, with the life sucked out of the draft, clubs who need them are probably paying big bucks for guys like Grigg, Walker, Sherman, Trarrant, Krakour, etc. As per Dtream Team...don't trade sideways...any trades for the rest of the week would seem to be doing this IMO.

[Thinline]

It's an awesome draft apparently.

Take the picks.

You never know.

[evertonfc]

It's an awesome draft apparently.

"It sure is...and I'm going to eat up the lot of it!"

Trade week is an opportunity to improve our list. It's given us so much in recent years where the draft has failed us.

And I mean failed. Our drafting in recent times has been diabolical.

Thanks goodness for trade week is all I have to say.

Good trading and good drafting should not be mutually exclusive.

[saintlee]

Trade week is an opportunity to improve our list. It's given us so much in recent years where the draft has failed us.

And I mean failed. Our drafting in recent times has been diabolical.

Thanks goodness for trade week is all I have to say.

Good trading and good drafting should not be mutually exclusive.

So you don't rate Steven, Heyne, Stanley, Jones, McEvoy, Geary etc who we have picked up in the draft or rookie draft in the last couple of years?

I think we have done quite well from trading, but it is not the answer this year IMO.

[saintsRrising]

UPDATE: Trades have closed.

And no trades at all for the Saints.

Not players...and not an exchange of picks either as the ctas have for example done.


Looking at the players traded there was little of interest to us that would have benefited our list, that we could have afforded (ie forget Brennan).

ie Sherman was there..but we have Stevem, Armo and Alias all ready for a crack.

[saintlee]

UPDATE: Trades have closed.

And no trades at all for the Saints.

As expected. That's what the club said at the start of trade week.

[Con Gorozidis]

UPDATE: Trades have closed.

And no trades at all for the Saints.

Not players...and not an exchange of picks either as the ctas have for example done.


Looking at the players traded there was little of inyterest to us that would have benefited our list, that we could have afforded (ie forget Brennan).

ie Sherman was there..but we have Stevem, Armo and Alias all ready for a crack.

no surprise giving we dont even have any recruitment/list staff on our friggin payroll.

[SaintWodonga]

Still would have liked us to trade for picks...

[saintsRrising]

Good trading and good drafting should not be mutually exclusive.

agree..

1/ But this year were there players on offer that were better than what we had?


2/ What players on our list would you have traded?


Some may say Kosi for example. But realistically what would we have gained for him?

[IluvHarvey]

I for one am very glad we didn't trade. The quality of the players that were being thrown around were IMO not what we need. Obviously if there was a no brainer I would've been all for it. We have been caught out before with trading good ordinary players. Time to work with what we have.

[saintsRrising]

Still would have liked us to trade for picks...

What players would you have used to achieve that...with an estimated value?

Would have been slim pickings IMO.

[saintsRrising]

I for one am very glad we didn't trade. The quality of the players that were being thrown around were IMO not what we need. .

Yes I agree...from the players traded , or suggested as being available.

If you trade in a player there has to be the intent that he will get senior game time, otherwise he would not join in the first place.

Steven, Armo, Alias, Heyne, Stanley, Miles, Simpkin...are all wortha crack.
If we had traded in some more middle to bottom 6 players this young group would not have been inspired to step-up.

And we were not in a position to trade in a star....unless we were willing to trade out a star...and we do not appear to have surplus of stars in any positions.

[SaintSimmo]

Looks like our young players will be given a huge crack at making a spot their own this year.