Jon Ralph on our rucks

[kosifantutti]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... ee5a42f321

Doesn't tell us anything 99% of us didn't know already. Our rucks are a real problem.

[samuraisaint]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... ee5a42f321

Doesn't tell us anything 99% of us didn't know already. Our rucks are a real problem.

Our rucks? Or their development?

[st.byron]

Can't get past Murdoch's paywall

[Bernard Shakey]

Lewie will be the saviour!

[shrodes]

Can't get past Murdoch's paywall

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[chico2001]

Good summary and shows you how little some of these so called ex players on here know. But still...they will continue to overpraise those who will never improve. At least there is improvement left in lewis and big upside for Marshall and a few others. Lethlean and the other duds have really cocked this trading period up.

[chico2001]

Can't get past Murdoch's paywall

Brand new pro-tip. Put outline.com/ in front of the link.

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cheers for that Shrodes

[sunsaint]

I think a writer at the HeraldSun is going to need a body guard for awhile

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

We need one more ruck. A state league ruck that can play is on the radar.

[chico2001]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

[stonecold]

Jon Who?????

[Crossy66]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

[stonecold]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

[st.byron]

Can't get past Murdoch's paywall

Brand new pro-tip. Put outline.com/ in front of the link.

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Awesome. Thanks shrodes. Much appreciated.

[chico2001]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

[Crossy66]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

You didnt compare him to anyone.
Also less disposals than lewie
Why do you want him?

[stonecold]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

Well then, compare him to Longer in 2017, when Billy was fit!!!!!

[chico2001]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

Well then, compare him to Longer in 2017, when Billy was fit!!!!!

Hitouts, hitouts and hitouts and Longer averages 8 disposals a game over his career, 1 mark per game..etc etc.....Preuss was an option that is what I am saying. If the saints did not want him as you state then the Dees have made a big mistake. If you look at it sensibly which you cant, Preuss never got a game in 2018 because Goldstein was in outstanding form all year, played 22 games etc ...Go and have a look at his stats if that is your bent, then ask yourself if any St Kilda ruckman would have got a senior game at North in 2018 even if fit!!!!!

[Shaggy]

I am so glad we have taken a risk on our young rucks. It is time. Hickey is 27 years old.

I think Marshall is special.

Longer lacks confidence but with Hickey gone it may be what he needs.

Lewie deserves a run as well.

Interesting those who are pessimistic about the Saints are also not happy about giving our younger rucks a go next year.

I am so glad we are going to run with the risk even if the pessimists piss their pants.

[Crossy66]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

Well then, compare him to Longer in 2017, when Billy was fit!!!!!

Hitouts, hitouts and hitouts and Longer averages 8 disposals a game over his career, 1 mark per game..etc etc.....Preuss was an option that is what I am saying. If the saints did not want him as you state then the Dees have made a big mistake. If you look at it sensibly which you cant, Preuss never got a game in 2018 because Goldstein was in outstanding form all year, played 22 games etc ...Go and have a look at his stats if that is your bent, then ask yourself if any St Kilda ruckman would have got a senior game at North in 2018 even if fit!!!!!

Seems the narrative has changed. You said you wanted to recruit Preuss, i just asked why you wanted him when statistically he is worse or no better than the three rucks we have on our list. You raised Longer, i didnt. You tell me he statistically is Longers equal. The same bloke you reckon is a dud.
Dees havent made a mistake, they wanted to recruit a back up ruckman to play in the VFL as insurance if Gawn goes down - smart move, and gives you some idea of how Preuss rates himself. I have no problem with Goldstein, Been very good for a long time, but it doesnt change the fact that Preuss hasnt played an AFL game for a long time. Glad you are not doing our recruiting Chico!

[stonecold]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

Well then, compare him to Longer in 2017, when Billy was fit!!!!!

Hitouts, hitouts and hitouts and Longer averages 8 disposals a game over his career, 1 mark per game..etc etc.....Preuss was an option that is what I am saying. If the saints did not want him as you state then the Dees have made a big mistake. If you look at it sensibly which you cant, Preuss never got a game in 2018 because Goldstein was in outstanding form all year, played 22 games etc ...Go and have a look at his stats if that is your bent, then ask yourself if any St Kilda ruckman would have got a senior game at North in 2018 even if fit!!!!!

Whatever, Billy has a contract at St.Kilda, Preuss has not, neither has Hickey, I'll stick with those thoughts of the 'Real Experts' and those close to the coal face, not those on a Fan Forum or in newspaper's!!!!! No offence intended, however, I am closer to the 'coal face' than you or others I believe!!!!!

So I'm content with the decision and as I stated previously it was always going to go that way!!!!!

Hate saying I told you so, but guess what, I did!!!!!

You really need to stop Trolling on here and head back to the club you support, no offence intended!!!!!

I'm f****** sick of this forum becoming an open opportunity to 'bag the club' at every decision that is made, some of you 'so called' supporters really need to put up, get on or f*** off really!!!!!

No offence intended, but that's how I see it!!!!!

It's OK to have an opinion, sure, however it's not OK to be a bitter supporter, cause there's no such thing really!!!!!

[Wayne42]

From the Ralph article..

In Longer’s five games this year only his hitout-to advantage statistics were considered by Champion Data to be average — 7.4 per game.
His disposal rate (6.4), contested possessions (2.8), clearance rate (.2) and score involvements were rated poor, his intercept mark rate (0.4) rated below average.
In those five games he took a total of five marks, Grundy besting his 32 possessions for the year in just one Round 4 game against Adelaide (33 possessions).

The Saints definitely have issues with the quality of their contracted ruckmen for 2019. Hopefully all these off field additions can transform our ruckmen into
AFL quality players.

[stonecold]

From the Ralph article..

In Longer’s five games this year only his hitout-to advantage statistics were considered by Champion Data to be average — 7.4 per game.
His disposal rate (6.4), contested possessions (2.8), clearance rate (.2) and score involvements were rated poor, his intercept mark rate (0.4) rated below average.
In those five games he took a total of five marks, Grundy besting his 32 possessions for the year in just one Round 4 game against Adelaide (33 possessions).

The Saints definitely have issues with the quality of their contracted ruckmen for 2019. Hopefully all these off field additions can transform our ruckmen into
AFL quality players.

Again, all stats from a few games playing injured, let's see how it all pans out next year?????

[chico2001]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

Well then, compare him to Longer in 2017, when Billy was fit!!!!!

Hitouts, hitouts and hitouts and Longer averages 8 disposals a game over his career, 1 mark per game..etc etc.....Preuss was an option that is what I am saying. If the saints did not want him as you state then the Dees have made a big mistake. If you look at it sensibly which you cant, Preuss never got a game in 2018 because Goldstein was in outstanding form all year, played 22 games etc ...Go and have a look at his stats if that is your bent, then ask yourself if any St Kilda ruckman would have got a senior game at North in 2018 even if fit!!!!!

Seems the narrative has changed. You said you wanted to recruit Preuss, i just asked why you wanted him when statistically he is worse or no better than the three rucks we have on our list. You raised Longer, i didnt. You tell me he statistically is Longers equal. The same bloke you reckon is a dud.
Dees havent made a mistake, they wanted to recruit a back up ruckman to play in the VFL as insurance if Gawn goes down - smart move, and gives you some idea of how Preuss rates himself. I have no problem with Goldstein, Been very good for a long time, but it doesnt change the fact that Preuss hasnt played an AFL game for a long time. Glad you are not doing our recruiting Chico!

First rule is...get your facts right. Dont twist the original post around and tell a blatant lie. Thats weak. I seen him as an option. Read my post properly. Where did I say I wanted to recruit him? So the narrative hasnt changed at all. You have tried to change it..but..no cigar. Preuss hasnt played an AFL game in 2018 and I gave a good reason, LIke I said, show me a ruckman from St KIlda who would have got a game before Goldstein at North in 2018, You didnt answer it then and you wont answer it in your next post either. So therefore a side that has a star ruckman that finished 4th recruits a back up ruckman, you reckon it is a smart move in your wisdom. A side that finished 16th with no ruck to speak of which is a known fact and they dont want to look at Preuss. Check out the saints recruiting in the last few years, let me know how they went. The 2nd rule for you is ..still dont lie

[Crossy66]

Wonder why Preuss did not want to come to the saints. He was no star but was aggressive, good coordination, reasonable stats and had upside.

Did we want him? That might be your answer.
statistically inferior to rowan marshall.
Only played 8 games and none this year
Only ever Played in 1 win
Averages 8 disposals
Would rather play marshall thanks

Overated by many on here, not suprising!!!!!

I was comparing him to Bill Longer not Rowan Marshall….Marshall is a lock..

Well then, compare him to Longer in 2017, when Billy was fit!!!!!

Hitouts, hitouts and hitouts and Longer averages 8 disposals a game over his career, 1 mark per game..etc etc.....Preuss was an option that is what I am saying. If the saints did not want him as you state then the Dees have made a big mistake. If you look at it sensibly which you cant, Preuss never got a game in 2018 because Goldstein was in outstanding form all year, played 22 games etc ...Go and have a look at his stats if that is your bent, then ask yourself if any St Kilda ruckman would have got a senior game at North in 2018 even if fit!!!!!

Seems the narrative has changed. You said you wanted to recruit Preuss, i just asked why you wanted him when statistically he is worse or no better than the three rucks we have on our list. You raised Longer, i didnt. You tell me he statistically is Longers equal. The same bloke you reckon is a dud.
Dees havent made a mistake, they wanted to recruit a back up ruckman to play in the VFL as insurance if Gawn goes down - smart move, and gives you some idea of how Preuss rates himself. I have no problem with Goldstein, Been very good for a long time, but it doesnt change the fact that Preuss hasnt played an AFL game for a long time. Glad you are not doing our recruiting Chico!

First rule is...get your facts right. Dont twist the original post around and tell a blatant lie. Thats weak. I seen him as an option. Read my post properly. Where did I say I wanted to recruit him? So the narrative hasnt changed at all. You have tried to change it..but..no cigar. Preuss hasnt played an AFL game in 2018 and I gave a good reason, LIke I said, show me a ruckman from St KIlda who would have got a game before Goldstein at North in 2018, You didnt answer it then and you wont answer it in your next post either. So therefore a side that has a star ruckman that finished 4th recruits a back up ruckman, you reckon it is a smart move in your wisdom. A side that finished 16th with no ruck to speak of which is a known fact and they dont want to look at Preuss. Check out the saints recruiting in the last few years, let me know how they went. The 2nd rule for you is ..still dont lie

Geez chico, what is it your trying to say?
So you see pruess as an option but you do or dont want to recruit him y or n?

Melbourne recruit him to play vfl as insurance if gawn goes down- are you saying that's good or bad?.

Why keep raising goldstein? I just said that pruess is not an afl ruckman, hasnt played in over a year. Not debating whether goldstein is a good ruckman or not.
You shouldn't use the term" known fact" when referring to opinions.
Btw, because someone expresses a different point to yours doesn't make it a lie
Lastly , stkildas recruiting over the last few years has been pretty good imo (Carlisle, Gresham, Steele, Long, Battle, coffield, Clark, Austin, Rice. If you disagree what would you have done differently?
I just don't get your love for pruess that was my original point. Statistically worse or no better than the 3 rucks we have on our list, none of which you rate.
I could be wrong, but it seems that if they wear a saint's jumper they are duds, but if they play for someone else they're guns and our recruiting staff are failures for not recruiting them.
I would rather invest games into the likes of pierce or marshall rather than recruit a player that's statistically worse. Would you agree or disagree?