Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
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Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
With the season pretty much done and dusted, fair to say that the debate between whether we should have taken Petracca over Paddy at number one is over.
If we were to have a 2014 redraft, the answer would be neither. In fact i dont think either would make the top 10 after their first four seasons. Whilst i think both will be better next year, you can only judge them on their body of work so far.
I have had a go at doing a redraft and would be interested to see what others think. Here goes:
1. Isaac Heeney
2. Degoey
3. A Brayshaw
4. Lever
5. Touk Miller
6. Caleb Daniel
7. Mitch McGovern
8. Darcy Moore
9. Jack Steele
10. Neale Bullen
If we were to have a 2014 redraft, the answer would be neither. In fact i dont think either would make the top 10 after their first four seasons. Whilst i think both will be better next year, you can only judge them on their body of work so far.
I have had a go at doing a redraft and would be interested to see what others think. Here goes:
1. Isaac Heeney
2. Degoey
3. A Brayshaw
4. Lever
5. Touk Miller
6. Caleb Daniel
7. Mitch McGovern
8. Darcy Moore
9. Jack Steele
10. Neale Bullen
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Kyle Langford is very good. A possible star. 3 goals and 11 tackles in his last game.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 3:55pm With the season pretty much done and dusted, fair to say that the debate between whether we should have taken Petracca over Paddy at number one is over.
If we were to have a 2014 redraft, the answer would be neither. In fact i dont think either would make the top 10 after their first four seasons. Whilst i think both will be better next year, you can only judge them on their body of work so far.
I have had a go at doing a redraft and would be interested to see what others think. Here goes:
1. Isaac Heeney
2. Degoey
3. A Brayshaw
4. Lever
5. Touk Miller
6. Caleb Daniel
7. Mitch McGovern
8. Darcy Moore
9. Jack Steele
10. Neale Bullen
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Maynard (De La Salle) + De Goey (St Kevins)
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Goddard (delisted - Mlebourne Grammar) + Paddy (Geelong Grammar)
Collingwood reamed us not once but twice. Thrice if you include 2010.
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Goddard (delisted - Mlebourne Grammar) + Paddy (Geelong Grammar)
Collingwood reamed us not once but twice. Thrice if you include 2010.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.
Posters that have admitted they were wrong about Hanna's gastro and the club didn't create a cover story.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
True. Just proves that there isn't much difference in the top 5 or so selections.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:28pm Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.
Btw, i think paddy will come good next year.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
You are just as likely to become a star if picked up as a rookie under the Sydney Swans football department as you are if you are a 2nd round pickCrossy66 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:31pmTrue. Just proves that there isn't much difference in the top 5 or so selections.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:28pm Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.
Btw, i think paddy will come good next year.
Just proves that development of footballers is just as important as their reputations and draft position when drafted as juniors
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
100%Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 5:39pmYou are just as likely to become a star if picked up as a rookie under the Sydney Swans football department as you are if you are a 2nd round pickCrossy66 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:31pmTrue. Just proves that there isn't much difference in the top 5 or so selections.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:28pm Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.
Btw, i think paddy will come good next year.
Just proves that development of footballers is just as important as their reputations and draft position when drafted as juniors
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Without starting the debate again just shows how hard it actually to pick talent.
I just checked 2013....
1 Boyd
2 Kelly
3 Billings
4 Bont
13 Cripps
18 Dunstan
19 Acres
I'd go 1 Kelly 2 Cripps
I just checked 2013....
1 Boyd
2 Kelly
3 Billings
4 Bont
13 Cripps
18 Dunstan
19 Acres
I'd go 1 Kelly 2 Cripps
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
The first rule to success is dont pick big blokes early in the draft.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
If DeGoey was at StKilda without the media protection of Eddie the media would have ruined him.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Have you surveyed all 17 clubs?tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:28pm Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.
You just made that % up out of thin air. You wouldnt have a clue. It could easily have been none of them.
Plenty of people in the media were saying that other clubs recruiters were aghast at us using pick 1 on them.
It was a head shaker for many at the time.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Correct...and they would have pointed to our culture....that tired old line they trot out about us when more crap has happened at many other clubs
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
BenLong#21 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 9:44pmHave you surveyed all 17 clubs?tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 4:28pm Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.
You just made that % up out of thin air. You wouldnt have a clue. It could easily have been none of them.
Plenty of people in the media were saying that other clubs recruiters were aghast at us using pick 1 on them.
It was a head shaker for many at the time.
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A well worn topic. Facts are that all clubs had pertracca and mcCartin one and two. I recall most has petracca at one but after the tom boyd trade, and the impending retirement of nick, most understood the logic. But the whole point of the thread is that none were right
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
it's also the reason why clubs try to check out a player's character - not to make sure he's from a good home or went to the right school but to try to find players that will work their butts off. Cos whatever the quality of our development programme, can be sure that the players who work will get better and the ones that don't, won't.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
I don't understand...
How is this debate over?
How is this debate over?
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
I think what was reported at the time was that 15-16 clubs would have taken Petracca first
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Paddys body shape tells you all you need to know about that.freely wrote: ↑Sun 23 Sep 2018 10:43pm it's also the reason why clubs try to check out a player's character - not to make sure he's from a good home or went to the right school but to try to find players that will work their butts off. Cos whatever the quality of our development programme, can be sure that the players who work will get better and the ones that don't, won't.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Go to the thread from near the start of the year. When Degooey wasn’t contracted and we were looking at him. The amount of numb skulls on here who didn’t want a bar of him because of a couple of indescrepancies was ridiculous.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
What did we see in the Prelims, deep finals on the weekend?
The big key forwards reigned supreme! Kennedy, Darling, J Riewoldt and Cox (who 12 mths ago most experts deemed never good enough to be an AFL player). Where did Richmond's small forwards go, how did Melbourne go without Hogan? The Bulldogs won in 2016 when Boyd played the only good games he's ever played.
Prelims and GFs are a different game to the rest and you need big key forwards. That's why you always draft the key forward if you don't have one and that's why we drafted Paddy. If we wanted to take a mid, then Brayshaw was the man, then we still would have needed to find a key forward. Paddy's got far more to build on than Mason Cox.
The big key forwards reigned supreme! Kennedy, Darling, J Riewoldt and Cox (who 12 mths ago most experts deemed never good enough to be an AFL player). Where did Richmond's small forwards go, how did Melbourne go without Hogan? The Bulldogs won in 2016 when Boyd played the only good games he's ever played.
Prelims and GFs are a different game to the rest and you need big key forwards. That's why you always draft the key forward if you don't have one and that's why we drafted Paddy. If we wanted to take a mid, then Brayshaw was the man, then we still would have needed to find a key forward. Paddy's got far more to build on than Mason Cox.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Yes I know. I was hoping we would get him then, but no chance with the way the team is going. I'm just hoping whoever we bring in next year makes enough difference for players to start considering the saints again.Moods wrote:Go to the thread from near the start of the year. When Degooey wasn’t contracted and we were looking at him. The amount of numb skulls on here who didn’t want a bar of him because of a couple of indescrepancies was ridiculous.
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Re: Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate
Yep its finalised - they are both shyte and shouldnt have been in the top 10 of their draft.