How did Billy Longer go?
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How did Billy Longer go?
Haven’t seen the game yet but I’ve noted that we were smashed in the hit outs.
Was he fit?
Did he manage to get to some contests?
What happened here
Was he fit?
Did he manage to get to some contests?
What happened here
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
He was average at best.skeptic wrote:Haven’t seen the game yet but I’ve noted that we were smashed in the hit outs.
Was he fit?
Did he manage to get to some contests?
What happened here
Shouldn't expect too much really but to be honest he was s**t.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Was poor in the ruck.
Was even worse around the ground.
Was even worse around the ground.
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Billy smashed Martin in marks.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Great trade.
Lots of downside to his game
Lots of downside to his game
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Billy was there as ballast. If he wasn't big and tall, he'd struggle to get a game for the Dimboola reserves.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
skeptic wrote:Haven’t seen the game yet but I’ve noted that we were smashed in the hit outs.
Was he fit?
Did he manage to get to some contests?
What happened here
Bring back the Lockett era
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Goldjonesy wrote:skeptic wrote:Haven’t seen the game yet but I’ve noted that we were smashed in the hit outs.
Was he fit?
Did he manage to get to some contests?
What happened here
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
I always thought hickey was number one and longer was number two. And based on that game number two sums up his performance
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
skeptic wrote:Haven’t seen the game yet but I’ve noted that we were smashed in the hit outs.
Was he fit?
Did he manage to get to some contests?
What happened here
Struggled, not fit, limited preseason, which the fact that he played ahead of Hickledik says a lot about where Tom is at!!!!!
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Pierce and Marshall would surely do better - they can't be any worse.
At least we'll get some metres gained from them.
I've given up on Longer and Hickey - get some games and confidence into the kids; and see what happens.
At least we'll get some metres gained from them.
I've given up on Longer and Hickey - get some games and confidence into the kids; and see what happens.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Don't give up on Billy yet!!!!?samoht wrote:Pierce and Marshall would surely do better - they can't be any worse.
At least we'll get some metres gained from them.
I've given up on Longer and Hickey.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
The problem is we've given up on Pierce before he's even started; and we're putting up with inconsistency (1 good game in 10) and underperformance from the usual suspects. Why?stonecold wrote:Don't give up on Billy yet!!!!?samoht wrote:Pierce and Marshall would surely do better - they can't be any worse.
At least we'll get some metres gained from them.
I've given up on Longer and Hickey.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
The bottom three, statistically, for the Saints also included: McCartin 7 possessions 6 kicks 1 handball 3 marks 0 tackles 0 spoils 3 critical unforced errors & 69 minutes game time
Brown 7 possessions 5 Kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 6 spoils 1 critical unforced error & 91 minutes game time
Added to Longer's stats from kosi's post were: 0 tackles 1 spoil 3 critical unforced errors & 80 minutes game time
Against top-class teams, can we afford to play 3 plodding dinosaurs who seem to be where the ball isn't? At least Brown holds his own in spoils.
We play McCartin in the forward line at our own peril. If he can't clunk a mark and he looks too timid to fly for pack marks, can't grab a ground ball and he's ordinary defensively, the question that needs to be asked, is why is he picked? As a decoy perhaps?
Sinclair was marginally better with: 12 possessions 1 kick 11 handballs 3 marks 2 tackles 4 spoils 2 critical unforced errors & 78 minutes game time
Brown 7 possessions 5 Kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 6 spoils 1 critical unforced error & 91 minutes game time
Added to Longer's stats from kosi's post were: 0 tackles 1 spoil 3 critical unforced errors & 80 minutes game time
Against top-class teams, can we afford to play 3 plodding dinosaurs who seem to be where the ball isn't? At least Brown holds his own in spoils.
We play McCartin in the forward line at our own peril. If he can't clunk a mark and he looks too timid to fly for pack marks, can't grab a ground ball and he's ordinary defensively, the question that needs to be asked, is why is he picked? As a decoy perhaps?
Sinclair was marginally better with: 12 possessions 1 kick 11 handballs 3 marks 2 tackles 4 spoils 2 critical unforced errors & 78 minutes game time
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Pierce and Hickey are worse than Billy, that's the problem, Marshall not ready for bash and crash of AFL tucking fulltime, needs to develop and be given bits and pieces exposer at this point.samoht wrote:The problem is we've given up on Pierce before he's even started; and we're putting up with inconsistency (1 good game in 10) and underperformance from the usual suspects. Why?stonecold wrote:Don't give up on Billy yet!!!!?samoht wrote:Pierce and Marshall would surely do better - they can't be any worse.
At least we'll get some metres gained from them.
I've given up on Longer and Hickey.
Billy had a pretty decent year last year and still only 24yrs old, talk to our mids and get their opinion and what he provides for them, end of story!!!!!
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
There are lots of stories.stonecold wrote:, end of story!!!!!
What about the one where if Billy gets a free kick, or more rarely a mark, that he will stand their and wait till a team mates runs up to him whereupon he will handball backwards 10m to a player that has no where to run meaning that effectively we have two players taking the kick meaning that we are out numbered by one player in disposing of the ball.
Quite simply if Billy gets slaughtered in the ruck, the team cannot also afford his lack of contribution around the ground.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Problem is while yes ruckman certainly seem to improve their rucking as they get towards 28, I cannot recall a ruckman not being handy around the ground at 24 becoming so at 28.stonecold wrote:
still only 24yrs old,
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
I'd sooner play Acres in the ruck who's ready for the bash and crash (in fact he relishes it) - where you know you're going to get his 25 possessions and run and carry around the ground; and this way you can also have Dunstan in the team with his 25 or so possessions, instead of the 1 kick and 6 backward handballs and zero metreage from Longer.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
saintsRrising wrote:Problem is while yes ruckman certainly seem to improve their rucking as they get towards 28, I cannot recall a ruckman not being handy around the ground at 24 becoming so at 28.stonecold wrote:
still only 24yrs old,
You are right, you don't often see players who can't get a kick (or in Billy's case a backwards handball to a player under pressure) start to suddenly find the footy regularly after 6 years in the system. A nose for the football seems to be something that's hard to learn, you either have it or you don't and unfortunately Billy doesn't have it.
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Stats don't tell the whole truth. Nathan Brown was fantastic for us this week, him and Carlisle completely destroyed Brisbanes tall forwards.saintkev wrote:The bottom three, statistically, for the Saints also included: McCartin 7 possessions 6 kicks 1 handball 3 marks 0 tackles 0 spoils 3 critical unforced errors & 69 minutes game time
Brown 7 possessions 5 Kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 6 spoils 1 critical unforced error & 91 minutes game time
Added to Longer's stats from kosi's post were: 0 tackles 1 spoil 3 critical unforced errors & 80 minutes game time
Against top-class teams, can we afford to play 3 plodding dinosaurs who seem to be where the ball isn't? At least Brown holds his own in spoils.
We play McCartin in the forward line at our own peril. If he can't clunk a mark and he looks too timid to fly for pack marks, can't grab a ground ball and he's ordinary defensively, the question that needs to be asked, is why is he picked? As a decoy perhaps?
Sinclair was marginally better with: 12 possessions 1 kick 11 handballs 3 marks 2 tackles 4 spoils 2 critical unforced errors & 78 minutes game time
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
Stats don't tell the whole truth. Nathan Brown was fantastic for us this week, him and Carlisle completely destroyed Brisbanes tall forwards.saintkev wrote:The bottom three, statistically, for the Saints also included: McCartin 7 possessions 6 kicks 1 handball 3 marks 0 tackles 0 spoils 3 critical unforced errors & 69 minutes game time
Brown 7 possessions 5 Kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 6 spoils 1 critical unforced error & 91 minutes game time
Added to Longer's stats from kosi's post were: 0 tackles 1 spoil 3 critical unforced errors & 80 minutes game time
Against top-class teams, can we afford to play 3 plodding dinosaurs who seem to be where the ball isn't? At least Brown holds his own in spoils.
We play McCartin in the forward line at our own peril. If he can't clunk a mark and he looks too timid to fly for pack marks, can't grab a ground ball and he's ordinary defensively, the question that needs to be asked, is why is he picked? As a decoy perhaps?
Sinclair was marginally better with: 12 possessions 1 kick 11 handballs 3 marks 2 tackles 4 spoils 2 critical unforced errors & 78 minutes game time
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
I posted something similar before round one. With Longer, Brown and Paddy in the same side puts us three runners down, a huge disadvantage in the modern game. At the very best, there's room for only one. On Saturday's evidence, Brown can at least play a specialist role in stopping an opposition forward. Billy and Paddy are as useful as cigar store Indians.saintkev wrote:The bottom three, statistically, for the Saints also included: McCartin 7 possessions 6 kicks 1 handball 3 marks 0 tackles 0 spoils 3 critical unforced errors & 69 minutes game time
Brown 7 possessions 5 Kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 6 spoils 1 critical unforced error & 91 minutes game time
Added to Longer's stats from kosi's post were: 0 tackles 1 spoil 3 critical unforced errors & 80 minutes game time
Against top-class teams, can we afford to play 3 plodding dinosaurs who seem to be where the ball isn't? At least Brown holds his own in spoils.
We play McCartin in the forward line at our own peril. If he can't clunk a mark and he looks too timid to fly for pack marks, can't grab a ground ball and he's ordinary defensively, the question that needs to be asked, is why is he picked? As a decoy perhaps?
Sinclair was marginally better with: 12 possessions 1 kick 11 handballs 3 marks 2 tackles 4 spoils 2 critical unforced errors & 78 minutes game time
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Re: How did Billy Longer go?
If Longer was "not fit, limited preseason" as stonecold says why did AR select him?
And that is exactly why we see the problem with Hickey - he knows the coach prefers another and thats that ( i pray it doesnt inhibit Marshalls progress to no.1 spot and he either gives it away or looks elsewhere)
Hickeys average is better than longers best - he adds to the midfield and forward line - sorry stonecold players dont really ever change their game style over the course
Remember hickey getting thrown to the wolves last year in that game against Port - how much leeway was he given by the coaching staff ( and most fans)
Lets see if the coach realises that Longer is not ready and selects another???
And that is exactly why we see the problem with Hickey - he knows the coach prefers another and thats that ( i pray it doesnt inhibit Marshalls progress to no.1 spot and he either gives it away or looks elsewhere)
Hickeys average is better than longers best - he adds to the midfield and forward line - sorry stonecold players dont really ever change their game style over the course
Remember hickey getting thrown to the wolves last year in that game against Port - how much leeway was he given by the coaching staff ( and most fans)
Lets see if the coach realises that Longer is not ready and selects another???
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