A good read about the Saints
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
A good read about the Saints
I enjoyed this article from a passionate Saints fan.........
http://www.lazypeanut.com/a-saintly-curse.html
http://www.lazypeanut.com/a-saintly-curse.html
- magnifisaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7939
- Joined: Sun 02 May 2004 2:52am
- Has thanked: 216 times
- Been thanked: 578 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9069
- Joined: Wed 29 Jun 2005 10:39pm
- Location: A distant beach
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 426 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
A good read, and echoes what so many Sainters reflect on. We really have been a badly-run club over the years, with short-term thinking to the forefront of everything. The on-field positives of last 10 years or so, never resulted in any robust financial situation for the club. I have a strong feeling that Summers and Pelchin have a clear vision of what the club should achieve on-field, and also the people who will make that happen. I hope the president and board get it right with the CEO appointment soon.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4432
- Joined: Sun 25 May 2008 5:39pm
Re: A good read about the Saints
A good read and describes what it is really like to be a Saints fan. Still can't see how we could possibly go back to Morrabbin as much as I would like it
I love this club
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1223
- Joined: Thu 22 Sep 2011 1:18pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 570 times
- Been thanked: 109 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Well that's just because they are "currently" apart of the club..spert wrote:A good read, and echoes what so many Sainters reflect on. We really have been a badly-run club over the years, with short-term thinking to the forefront of everything. The on-field positives of last 10 years or so, never resulted in any robust financial situation for the club. I have a strong feeling that Summers and Pelchin have a clear vision of what the club should achieve on-field, and also the people who will make that happen. I hope the president and board get it right with the CEO appointment soon.
Follow me for my expert opinions on Twitter @DanielClark93
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11322
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1312 times
- Been thanked: 447 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
I whole heartedly agree with everything written in that piece. The final paragraph had me in stitches.
But this is right on money. FFS, I hope the club comes to its senses.
But this is right on money. FFS, I hope the club comes to its senses.
The Saints home base should be Moorabbin. The club needs to bite the bullet and move back to Moorabbin, redevelop it and make it home again. The players want it, the fans want it, everyone wants it. Treat Seaford as a reserves training facility or do whatever you have to but there's no point compounding a bad decision by living with it for another 20 years. Get out of it. It’s a sunk cost. Put the Seaford era in the rearview mirror and get back to where the club belongs. Get the AFL and the Kingston council on board and make it happen, there isn’t a Saints fan alive who doesn’t want the club back at Moorabbin. If the St.Kilda Board doesn’t have that as priority number 1, we need a new Board.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1941
- Joined: Sat 24 Apr 2004 10:24pm
- Location: Perth WA
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 19 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Culture smulture. Call it what you like but this does need to be strengthened to gain success. Read Ross Lyon's days.
When we get some success and get off the strangle hold called Etihad, then maybe we can afford to move back to Moorabbin. I can only hope for this.
When we get some success and get off the strangle hold called Etihad, then maybe we can afford to move back to Moorabbin. I can only hope for this.
Midfield clearances and clear winners are needed to make an effective forward line.
You need to protect the ball handler to increase posession efficiency
You need to protect the ball handler to increase posession efficiency
- SaintPav
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18839
- Joined: Wed 16 Jun 2010 9:24pm
- Location: Alma Road
- Has thanked: 1568 times
- Been thanked: 1962 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
It's not that good.
Moving to Seaford has been far from a success, but the club were in a bind at the time. We're not the only club to have been forced out by their local council. Take Essendon for example.
Move back to Moorabin. It's a sunk cost! What's that? The club is still paying for it but maybe the club should just default on its debts as well.
It's not that simple Peanut.
Moving to Seaford has been far from a success, but the club were in a bind at the time. We're not the only club to have been forced out by their local council. Take Essendon for example.
Move back to Moorabin. It's a sunk cost! What's that? The club is still paying for it but maybe the club should just default on its debts as well.
It's not that simple Peanut.
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.
- dragit
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13047
- Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
- Has thanked: 605 times
- Been thanked: 315 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Gotta say, he's not speaking for me…Sainternist wrote:I whole heartedly agree with everything written in that piece. The final paragraph had me in stitches.
But this is right on money. FFS, I hope the club comes to its senses.
there isn’t a Saints fan alive who doesn’t want the club back at Moorabbin. If the St.Kilda Board doesn’t have that as priority number 1, we need a new Board.
I couldn't give a damn if our training facility is in Moorabbin, Seaford or Warnambool…
Geelong is further away from Melbourne's coffee shops and nightclubs, they are doing fine.
I grew up watching us play at Moorabbin, but have no interest in seeing us get back there… and talk of priority #1 - what a load of crap… we've got bigger issues than Seafood.
The training base location moaning is just a crutch…
- SaintPav
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18839
- Joined: Wed 16 Jun 2010 9:24pm
- Location: Alma Road
- Has thanked: 1568 times
- Been thanked: 1962 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
It's stupid and simple to assert that the current board's performance should be assessed on whether the club heads back to Moorabbin. It should be assessed on improving the current situation, amongst other things.dragit wrote: Gotta say, he's not speaking for me…
I couldn't give a damn if our training facility is in Moorabbin, Seaford or Warnambool…
Geelong is further away from Melbourne's coffee shops and nightclubs, they are doing fine.
I grew up watching us play at Moorabbin, but have no interest in seeing us get back there… and talk of priority #1 - what a load of crap… we've got bigger issues than Seafood.
The training base location moaning is just a crutch…
Peanuts caustic rant on Zac Dawson is just malicious and pointless.
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11322
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1312 times
- Been thanked: 447 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
That's because it's based in the heartland of where the club is and represents - the town of GEELONG. Not sure if their fans would appreciate them being located in Melbourne. Would be about as popular with their fans as when they had to play games at Waverley.dragit wrote:Geelong is further away from Melbourne's coffee shops and nightclubs, they are doing fine.
Come on, let's be honest here. The Seaford move has proved to be an absolute disaster. I am yet to hear one person say anything posotive about it since the move two years ago. TWO YEARS AGO, no less. It's in a dreadful location. The club should have at least pushed for the Junction Oval when it decided to relocate, not the Bermuda f****** Triangle.
Please, tell how there is a future for us at Seaford. Enlighten me!
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
-
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Wed 14 Sep 2011 9:05am
- Location: In the shadows of Linton Street
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: A good read about the Saints
SaintPav wrote:It's stupid and simple to assert that the current board's performance should be assessed on whether the club heads back to Moorabbin. It should be assessed on improving the current situation, amongst other things.dragit wrote: Gotta say, he's not speaking for me…
I couldn't give a damn if our training facility is in Moorabbin, Seaford or Warnambool…
Geelong is further away from Melbourne's coffee shops and nightclubs, they are doing fine.
I grew up watching us play at Moorabbin, but have no interest in seeing us get back there… and talk of priority #1 - what a load of crap… we've got bigger issues than Seafood.
The training base location moaning is just a crutch…
Peanuts caustic rant on Zac Dawson is just malicious and pointless.
bigger issues than Seafood?
Perhaps a steak
- dragit
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13047
- Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
- Has thanked: 605 times
- Been thanked: 315 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Disaster? The only negative things I have heard is that there are no coffee shops and the older players have to drive a little further... big whoop.Sainternist wrote:That's because it's based in the heartland of where the club is and represents - the town of GEELONG. Not sure if their fans would appreciate them being located in Melbourne. Would be about as popular with their fans as when they had to play games at Waverley.dragit wrote:Geelong is further away from Melbourne's coffee shops and nightclubs, they are doing fine.
Come on, let's be honest here. The Seaford move has proved to be an absolute disaster. I am yet to hear one person say anything posotive about it since the move two years ago. TWO YEARS AGO, no less. It's in a dreadful location. The club should have at least pushed for the Junction Oval when it decided to relocate, not the Bermuda f****** Triangle.
Please, tell how there is a future for us at Seaford. Enlighten me!
I am not a Seaford supporter, neither a Moorabbin man... couldn't care less really, but we have just spent what 10 million dollars on a new facility, walking out on that prematurely would be ridiculous for the sake of a few old timers that can't walk down to watch training anymore.
Junction oval is a great location if we are going for heart land, I doubt we could ever get back in though.
If we do end up back at Moorabbin, great... But to class it our number 1 priority is laughable. We have a state of the art facility 30 minutes down the road.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11322
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1312 times
- Been thanked: 447 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Look, I agree it would seem rash to just walk out on a newly developed facility for the sake of nostalgia. Apart from inconveniencing some players who have to drive a little further, my other concern is that it's not favourable with the supporters. It attracts far fewer fans. There is no Social Club there. Surely this has proved to be somewhat of a headache for the club's membership drive.dragit wrote:Disaster? The only negative things I have heard is that there are no coffee shops and the older players have to drive a little further... big whoop.Sainternist wrote:That's because it's based in the heartland of where the club is and represents - the town of GEELONG. Not sure if their fans would appreciate them being located in Melbourne. Would be about as popular with their fans as when they had to play games at Waverley.dragit wrote:Geelong is further away from Melbourne's coffee shops and nightclubs, they are doing fine.
Come on, let's be honest here. The Seaford move has proved to be an absolute disaster. I am yet to hear one person say anything posotive about it since the move two years ago. TWO YEARS AGO, no less. It's in a dreadful location. The club should have at least pushed for the Junction Oval when it decided to relocate, not the Bermuda f****** Triangle.
Please, tell how there is a future for us at Seaford. Enlighten me!
I am not a Seaford supporter, neither a Moorabbin man... couldn't care less really, but we have just spent what 10 million dollars on a new facility, walking out on that prematurely would be ridiculous for the sake of a few old timers that can't walk down to watch training anymore.
Junction oval is a great location if we are going for heart land, I doubt we could ever get back in though.
If we do end up back at Moorabbin, great... But to class it our number 1 priority is laughable. We have a state of the art facility 30 minutes down the road.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
Re: A good read about the Saints
Have we asked what guys like Curren, Roberton, Siposs etc think of seaford?
Reckon we need to adjust our focus, kids won't mind cause they didn't move.
Reckon we need to adjust our focus, kids won't mind cause they didn't move.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5212
- Joined: Mon 07 Aug 2006 9:50pm
- Location: Queensland - Beautiful one day ... you know the rest
- Has thanked: 65 times
- Been thanked: 318 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
nope sorry - no1 or not - its still a major problem that we shouldnt be havingdragit wrote: If we do end up back at Moorabbin, great... But to class it our number 1 priority is laughable. We have a state of the art facility 30 minutes down the road.
We have three homes - playing, training, and Linton, and that is simply not sustainable
And I have always questioned "state of the art" its just a slogan expecially when compared to other facilities, it was behind the eight ball even before the opening.
Seeya
*************
*************
- Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12754
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 764 times
- Been thanked: 423 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Doesn't Hawthorn have 3 homes?
MCG, Linda Crescent and Waverley
It hasn't seemed to stop them achieving the ultimate.
Richmond has 3 homes
MCG, Punt Road and a brand new training facility in Craigieburn (certainly not their heartland)
Collingwood has many homes
MCG, Lickar$e Centre, Victoria Park
Essendope have at least 4 homes
MCG/Etihad, Windy Hill, Dr Ageless Botox Clinic, new 'state of the art' facility
Why is it that only we have a problem with 'multiple homes'?
MCG, Linda Crescent and Waverley
It hasn't seemed to stop them achieving the ultimate.
Richmond has 3 homes
MCG, Punt Road and a brand new training facility in Craigieburn (certainly not their heartland)
Collingwood has many homes
MCG, Lickar$e Centre, Victoria Park
Essendope have at least 4 homes
MCG/Etihad, Windy Hill, Dr Ageless Botox Clinic, new 'state of the art' facility
Why is it that only we have a problem with 'multiple homes'?
- dragit
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13047
- Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
- Has thanked: 605 times
- Been thanked: 315 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Have you seen what we were using at Moorabbin?sunsaint wrote:nope sorry - no1 or not - its still a major problem that we shouldnt be havingdragit wrote: If we do end up back at Moorabbin, great... But to class it our number 1 priority is laughable. We have a state of the art facility 30 minutes down the road.
We have three homes - playing, training, and Linton, and that is simply not sustainable
And I have always questioned "state of the art" its just a slogan expecially when compared to other facilities, it was behind the eight ball even before the opening.
The antique medicine balls were beautiful.
I dare say we will look to eventually move back to Moorabbin, but I imagine it would be 10 years away with planning & building...
I reckon the #1 priority is probably getting a CEO.
- dragit
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13047
- Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
- Has thanked: 605 times
- Been thanked: 315 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
I guess it's an easy target when trying to explain our low membership numbers... which really are mainly aligned with on field success.Mr Magic wrote:Why is it that only we have a problem with 'multiple homes'?
Are people really not buying memberships now because we train at Seaford? Maybe a few, but surely not many... that would be sad. "I'm only signing up of you train in my neighbourhood..."?
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 707
- Joined: Fri 28 Sep 2012 4:53pm
- Has thanked: 4 times
- Been thanked: 43 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Melbourne have 3 alsoMr Magic wrote:Doesn't Hawthorn have 3 homes?
MCG, Linda Crescent and Waverley
It hasn't seemed to stop them achieving the ultimate.
Richmond has 3 homes
MCG, Punt Road and a brand new training facility in Craigieburn (certainly not their heartland)
Collingwood has many homes
MCG, Lickar$e Centre, Victoria Park, Goschs Paddock![]()
Essendope have at least 4 homes
MCG/Etihad, Windy Hill, Dr Ageless Botox Clinic, new 'state of the art' facility
Why is it that only we have a problem with 'multiple homes'?
Hawthorn have 3. Waverley. Glenferrie. ..but Caroline Springs is where they make their money
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Personally would never ever give Seaford away as it is the gateway to the new frontier of the Mornington Peninsula
which should have been worked a hell of a lot better than it has marketing wise , membership really poor for a team
Win / loss record last decade
Admin has been the major failure of the saints.
![Cool 8-)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13245
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 644 times
- Been thanked: 1908 times
- bobmurray
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7781
- Joined: Mon 03 Oct 2005 11:08pm
- Location: In the stand at RSEA Park.
- Has thanked: 497 times
- Been thanked: 226 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
Which one ?... We've had a fewThe Fireman wrote:who gives a s***..I like our Jumper
Six debutants for the Saints so far in Season 2024. ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13245
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 644 times
- Been thanked: 1908 times
Re: A good read about the Saints
All were good...at least 10 times better than the pee and poo offeringbobmurray wrote:Which one ?... We've had a fewThe Fireman wrote:who gives a s***..I like our Jumper
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)