WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
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WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Can anyone understand why no one ousted him?
I've got very little good things to say about his rule.
Did nothing re keeping our image in tact and oversaw a period of significant instability.
Was there no powerbrokers ready to challenge?
Summers sounds better but is from the same ticket. Never heard of any other groups challenging???
Did Westaway really have to see out his term before someone else took over??
Is the crux of the issue we don't have enough powerful supporters left to get critical mass for a board challenge?
I've got very little good things to say about his rule.
Did nothing re keeping our image in tact and oversaw a period of significant instability.
Was there no powerbrokers ready to challenge?
Summers sounds better but is from the same ticket. Never heard of any other groups challenging???
Did Westaway really have to see out his term before someone else took over??
Is the crux of the issue we don't have enough powerful supporters left to get critical mass for a board challenge?
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Good question. He always looked reluctant, and a bit irritated when the pressure was on. We don't have a supporter with the tools and will to become a strong effective President of the club. Or a figure who will get someone like that for us and convince that person to devote themselves. Too many factions and boys clubs. How else did Nettlefold get the gig on all that money? I'm not jealous of people on big money who get the job done, but it riles me when it doesn't.
Sounds like Netters fell on his sword given Caro's article. He was going to get shafted/boned anyway. Please can they get someone competent as CEO, and an inspirational Prez wouldn't go astray. Summers is an improvement but maybe still short of what we really need.
Sounds like Netters fell on his sword given Caro's article. He was going to get shafted/boned anyway. Please can they get someone competent as CEO, and an inspirational Prez wouldn't go astray. Summers is an improvement but maybe still short of what we really need.
Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Agree completely with Westaway. He was completely anonymous and was happy to let the football department run the club. His refusal to accept let alone attempt to our culture problems was appalling.
Disagree on Summers though, in a couple of months in charge, he has sacked a coach, identified our culture flaws and is doing something about it. Don't let his lack of assurance/reasoning in a meaningless press conference give you a false perception of him.
Disagree on Summers though, in a couple of months in charge, he has sacked a coach, identified our culture flaws and is doing something about it. Don't let his lack of assurance/reasoning in a meaningless press conference give you a false perception of him.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
I have not made up my mind either way re Summers. If he is as good as you say then why didn't he take over earlier?bennymac5 wrote:Agree completely with Westaway. He was completely anonymous and was happy to let the football department run the club. His refusal to accept let alone attempt to our culture problems was appalling.
Disagree on Summers though, in a couple of months in charge, he has sacked a coach, identified our culture flaws and is doing something about it. Don't let his lack of assurance/reasoning in a meaningless press conference give you a false perception of him.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
bennymac5 wrote:Agree completely with Westaway. He was completely anonymous and was happy to let the football department run the club. His refusal to accept let alone attempt to our culture problems was appalling.
Disagree on Summers though, in a couple of months in charge, he has sacked a coach, identified our culture flaws and is doing something about it. Don't let his lack of assurance/reasoning in a meaningless press conference give you a false perception of him.
I don't get why anyone expected Summers to say why Watters was sacked. They can't come out and say "he was a controlling freak with communication issues and random structures that are made up on the hop. All the players hate him and he's very short."
He seems like a nut buster I think he will be good.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
The club is now suffering from decisions made over the last few years, and it really indicates a lack of strong and innovative leadership in that time, no other way to put it. To fix this club will show what Summers is made of.. I hope it's a mixture of strength and smarts.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Probably out of respect for the fact that Westaway was approaching his full term, had overseen 5 finals series in his time in charge, and had resourced the football department (which is what he promised to do when he was hired).saintspremiers wrote:
I have not made up my mind either way re Summers. If he is as good as you say then why didn't he take over earlier?
Summers is very good in two areas: leadership and finance.
We need both right now. He is a very determined person and will make an excellent president, I think he has started off very well. He is effectively acting as our CEO at the moment, but will step back once we get the right person in that position (as he should).
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Gringo - that is the funniest piece of prose I've read all week. Absolute gold. Cheered up my rainy Saturday morning no end. Thanks.gringo wrote:bennymac5 wrote:Agree completely with Westaway. He was completely anonymous and was happy to let the football department run the club. His refusal to accept let alone attempt to our culture problems was appalling.
Disagree on Summers though, in a couple of months in charge, he has sacked a coach, identified our culture flaws and is doing something about it. Don't let his lack of assurance/reasoning in a meaningless press conference give you a false perception of him.
I don't get why anyone expected Summers to say why Watters was sacked. They can't come out and say "he was a controlling freak with communication issues and random structures that are made up on the hop. All the players hate him and he's very short."
He seems like a nut buster I think he will be good.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
+1. Peter is a Chartered Accountant and a long serving CEO of a business (AV Jennings) that has had some very difficult times throughout the GFC. He may not have charisma but who the hell cares if he gets it done. He will be stellar .... he just needs a good CEO now to implement his board's strategic planningLegendary wrote:Probably out of respect for the fact that Westaway was approaching his full term, had overseen 5 finals series in his time in charge, and had resourced the football department (which is what he promised to do when he was hired).saintspremiers wrote:
I have not made up my mind either way re Summers. If he is as good as you say then why didn't he take over earlier?
Summers is very good in two areas: leadership and finance.
We need both right now. He is a very determined person and will make an excellent president, I think he has started off very well. He is effectively acting as our CEO at the moment, but will step back once we get the right person in that position (as he should).
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
I have NO IDEA how Greg Westaway performed during Board Meetings of the St Kilda Football Club, and I suspect NEITHER DO YOU. I do know that he was more of a "Behind the Scenes President" !!saintspremiers wrote:Can anyone understand why no one ousted him?
I've got very little good things to say about his rule.
Did nothing re keeping our image in tact and oversaw a period of significant instability.
Was there no powerbrokers ready to challenge?
Summers sounds better but is from the same ticket. Never heard of any other groups challenging???
Did Westaway really have to see out his term before someone else took over??
Is the crux of the issue we don't have enough powerful supporters left to get critical mass for a board challenge?
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Cairnsman wrote:Where is Butters these days? He had flair and businesses acumen. Could he ever make a return?
no...scumbag ..imho
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Alwaysaway had no profile.
He never stood up for the club.
When "journalists" (sorry muckrakers) like CW were berating the club about the "schoolgirl" affair he never stood up and diffused all the rubbish with a few home truths.
On any football issue you would regularly see Maguire, Collis, Kennet , Costa, Smorgan etc. etc strongly putting their club's point of view.
But Alwaysaway was always missing - right.
I'm sure he is a nice man.
His 50 years of membership speaks to his loyalty and heart.
He would make a very good president of a lawn bowls or RSL club where there are no demanding issues to address.
But he just wasn't a good president.
From what I have seen of Summers so far, he doesn't seem to be an enigmatic star media performer.
But he does seem to have some very clear aspirations for our club and will move mountains to achieve them.
He has a sharp intellect and is a doer.
I think he is exactly what we need.
He never stood up for the club.
When "journalists" (sorry muckrakers) like CW were berating the club about the "schoolgirl" affair he never stood up and diffused all the rubbish with a few home truths.
On any football issue you would regularly see Maguire, Collis, Kennet , Costa, Smorgan etc. etc strongly putting their club's point of view.
But Alwaysaway was always missing - right.
I'm sure he is a nice man.
His 50 years of membership speaks to his loyalty and heart.
He would make a very good president of a lawn bowls or RSL club where there are no demanding issues to address.
But he just wasn't a good president.
From what I have seen of Summers so far, he doesn't seem to be an enigmatic star media performer.
But he does seem to have some very clear aspirations for our club and will move mountains to achieve them.
He has a sharp intellect and is a doer.
I think he is exactly what we need.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
It appeared to me like Westaway was reluctant in the CEO role and was happy as a successful business man and club supporter to do the role..this is purely my opinion. At the end of the day we are a club in turmoil after all that, no further premierships, looking for a coach and CEO, finances in trouble, difficulty attracting big sponsors etc. I don't think Butters and the board at that stage would have done any worse, and may have even done better..my opinion again
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Lets not forget though, that on his watch we very, very nearly won two flags.
Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
CEO?spert wrote:It appeared to me like Westaway was reluctant in the CEO role and was happy as a successful business man and club supporter to do the role..this is purely my opinion. At the end of the day we are a club in turmoil after all that, no further premierships, looking for a coach and CEO, finances in trouble, difficulty attracting big sponsors etc. I don't think Butters and the board at that stage would have done any worse, and may have even done better..my opinion again
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Wheels were in motion for that before he arrived......and indeed may have been a factor in him not thinking he and the Board needed to do more.Johnny Member wrote:Lets not forget though, that on his watch we very, very nearly won two flags.
Lyon and Misson were all in play...and so he would have just been in the right spot right time.
Look I am sure he loves the club. But I would tend to think that he came in more because he wanted to see Butters gone, than because he had any real vision on how to progress the club, and that is not enough reason for anyone to become the president.
The initial stability was good, but that was just masking the morbidity. Being stable, just made us unstable.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Because the ceo probably felt comfortable and not threatened by his presence. Neither of them could survive without the other as they were both hopeless .Name one positive thing that has happened under their leadership.
More members? -no
More sponsorship?-no
more dept?- yes
same controversies?-yes
A decent coach?-no
Great facilities?-no
Positives - a decent list manager and recruiting team.
More members? -no
More sponsorship?-no
more dept?- yes
same controversies?-yes
A decent coach?-no
Great facilities?-no
Positives - a decent list manager and recruiting team.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
I think the CEO is at the club all the time and they are in charge of the day to day running of the club - a more pertinent question would be to ask HOW has Nettlefold lasted this long? Perhaps we can blame Westaway for leaving Nettlefold fleece the club for as long as he has. He is the highest paid individual at the club and has seen one disaster after another during his time.saintspremiers wrote:Can anyone understand why no one ousted him?
I've got very little good things to say about his rule.
Did nothing re keeping our image in tact and oversaw a period of significant instability.
Poor player management.
Poor media management.
Loss of resultant sponsors.
Poor recruiting policies perpetuated by the Lovett trade.
Poor player development.
Poorly resourced recruitment team.
Allowed LYON to become an enigma.
Allowed LYON to leave the club.
Oversaw the hiring and sacking of WATTERS costing $$$.
Club in poor financial condition.
I think Nettlefold has a lot more to be accountable for than Westaway which is a nominal role.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
What do you (and many others) base that optimism on Matt? (Btw, I agree with both your points re the charisma thing.Saintmatt wrote:+1. Peter is a Chartered Accountant and a long serving CEO of a business (AV Jennings) that has had some very difficult times throughout the GFC. He may not have charisma but who the hell cares if he gets it done. He will be stellar .... he just needs a good CEO now to implement his board's strategic planning
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Summers has been overseeing the finances from his board position for several years now, yet...
The balance sheet is draining away.
Another huge trading loss for this financial year.
Today's 'customer satisfaction' figures are pretty abysmal, and look no better than decades ago.
I sure hope AVJ have done better under his stewardship...
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Doer? Here are some of the mountains that he's moved with his sharp intellect Enrico...Enrico_Misso wrote:From what I have seen of Summers so far, he doesn't seem to be an enigmatic star media performer.
But he does seem to have some very clear aspirations for our club and will move mountains to achieve them.
He has a sharp intellect and is a doer.
I think he is exactly what we need.
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Based on history, I think he is exactly what we have had too much of.
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
He was invisible so no one took any notice of him..... Humphrey B Bear president....
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Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
Can you pull up the share price history of the other 17 presidents companies too Dave?Dave McNamara wrote:Doer? Here are some of the mountains that he's moved with his sharp intellect Enrico...Enrico_Misso wrote:From what I have seen of Summers so far, he doesn't seem to be an enigmatic star media performer.
But he does seem to have some very clear aspirations for our club and will move mountains to achieve them.
He has a sharp intellect and is a doer.
I think he is exactly what we need.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=83818&p=1414212#p1414212
Based on history, I think he is exactly what we have had too much of.
You seem to love this reference, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to presiding over a football club.
Re: WHY did Westaway last as long as he did?
it's all getting a bit boring dave...really....dragit wrote:Can you pull up the share price history of the other 17 presidents companies too Dave?Dave McNamara wrote:Doer? Here are some of the mountains that he's moved with his sharp intellect Enrico...Enrico_Misso wrote:From what I have seen of Summers so far, he doesn't seem to be an enigmatic star media performer.
But he does seem to have some very clear aspirations for our club and will move mountains to achieve them.
He has a sharp intellect and is a doer.
I think he is exactly what we need.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=83818&p=1414212#p1414212
Based on history, I think he is exactly what we have had too much of.
You seem to love this reference, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to presiding over a football club.
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