Banger Harvey
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2185
- Joined: Sun 28 Mar 2004 1:59pm
- Location: by the seaside..
- Has thanked: 35 times
- Been thanked: 185 times
Banger Harvey
Hope he applies and gets a position under Paul Roos at Melbourne .. and gets anointed as the successor. Not sure how else he will get to realise his dream as head coach.
“If you want the rainbow you gotta put up with rain” Dolly Parton
- dragit
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13047
- Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
- Has thanked: 605 times
- Been thanked: 315 times
Re: Banger Harvey
Club legends don't seem to have a very good strike rate as coaches at the moment.
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
Re: Banger Harvey
But the best coaches of all time where mostly great players... Matthews, Roos, Sheedy, Blight ect.dragit wrote:Club legends don't seem to have a very good strike rate as coaches at the moment.
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
So hopefully Banger is one of those!
![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
Re: Banger Harvey
dragit wrote:I'll give you Matthews & Blight, not sure about Roos's 1 flag…
Was Sheedy a great player?
No but he was very good.
- Bernard Shakey
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11235
- Joined: Sun 18 Mar 2007 11:22pm
- Location: Down By The River 1989, 2003, 2009 & 2013
- Has thanked: 119 times
- Been thanked: 137 times
Re: Banger Harvey
Defenders make the best coaches;
Sheedy;
Parkin;
Pagan;
Malthouse;
Thompson;
Eade;
Worsfold.
Sheedy;
Parkin;
Pagan;
Malthouse;
Thompson;
Eade;
Worsfold.
Old enough to repaint, but young enough to sell
Re: Banger Harvey
Allan Jeans was an ordinary footballer.
Its not always relevant.
Players rely on their physical attributes.
A coach could be in a wheelchair and still function well with the right assistants.
Obviously understanding the game is important.
Do you have to play to understand the game?
Its not always relevant.
Players rely on their physical attributes.
A coach could be in a wheelchair and still function well with the right assistants.
Obviously understanding the game is important.
Do you have to play to understand the game?
Re: Banger Harvey
We already have had coaches who never played footy at the top level.
This will inevitably happen more, as the focus turns more to a logical understanding/analysis/dissection of the game.
Playing clearly helps, but it shouldn't be the be all and end all.
One day there might be some tactical genius who never played the game at any level who will coach a team. Maybe an international coach? A female coach?
The conventions aren't set in stone IMO.
This will inevitably happen more, as the focus turns more to a logical understanding/analysis/dissection of the game.
Playing clearly helps, but it shouldn't be the be all and end all.
One day there might be some tactical genius who never played the game at any level who will coach a team. Maybe an international coach? A female coach?
The conventions aren't set in stone IMO.
- Life Long Saint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5509
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:54pm
- Has thanked: 61 times
- Been thanked: 480 times
- Contact:
Re: Banger Harvey
Chris Scottbergsone wrote:JeansBernard Shakey wrote:Defenders make the best coaches;
Sheedy;
Parkin;
Pagan;
Malthouse;
Thompson;
Eade;
Worsfold.
Paul Roos
Ross Lyon
Jock McHale
Tom Hafey
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9367
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 655 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: Banger Harvey
I don't think Rob Harvey will be leaving Colondud any time soon. If he did, I for one would wish him well in his career, but would not go out of the way to bring him back here. This "favourite son/legend" for coach call is a failed experiment for mine. I point to dragits list to back up this argument.
St Kilda forever ![🔴](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f534.svg)
![⚪️](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/26aa.svg)
( God help me)
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4881
- Joined: Fri 05 Jun 2009 3:05pm
- Has thanked: 327 times
- Been thanked: 465 times
Re: Banger Harvey
I don't subscribe to that theory at all. Matthews won 4 flags. Walls was a brilliant coach in his early years of coaching. Paul Roos built the Swans into what they are today. Blight won back to back flags at the Crows. Ross Lyon is the best coach in the business at the moment imo - and played most of his footy on ball or on a half Fwd flank.Bernard Shakey wrote:Defenders make the best coaches;
Sheedy;
Parkin;
Pagan;
Malthouse;
Thompson;
Eade;
Worsfold.
Danny Frawley was an ordinary coach.
There are numerous factors that make a great coach. Wining the ultimate prize is just the recognition they get. Charismatic, great communicator, intelligent, hard working, organised, etc etc. Very few of these attributes are referenced to what position on the ground you mainly played in your playing career.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9367
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 655 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
- Con Gorozidis
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23532
- Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
- Has thanked: 100 times
- Been thanked: 78 times
Re: Banger Harvey
I think things are not happy at Collingwood.
Real issues. Walsh left, Buttifant is gone. Eddie mouthed off about a rugby match in Perth this coming weekend (wtf was he thinking?).
Its fairly well known that Gary Pert is strongly disliked by all and sundry.
Real issues. Walsh left, Buttifant is gone. Eddie mouthed off about a rugby match in Perth this coming weekend (wtf was he thinking?).
Its fairly well known that Gary Pert is strongly disliked by all and sundry.
- SaintPav
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18830
- Joined: Wed 16 Jun 2010 9:24pm
- Location: Alma Road
- Has thanked: 1564 times
- Been thanked: 1958 times
Re: Banger Harvey
Tim Watson: Fail (lost his way according to Plymo)dragit wrote:Club legends don't seem to have a very good strike rate as coaches at the moment.
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.
Re: Banger Harvey
Totally agree. Being highly competitive and motivated probably helps as well.Moods wrote:I don't subscribe to that theory at all. Matthews won 4 flags. Walls was a brilliant coach in his early years of coaching. Paul Roos built the Swans into what they are today. Blight won back to back flags at the Crows. Ross Lyon is the best coach in the business at the moment imo - and played most of his footy on ball or on a half Fwd flank.Bernard Shakey wrote:Defenders make the best coaches;
Sheedy;
Parkin;
Pagan;
Malthouse;
Thompson;
Eade;
Worsfold.
Danny Frawley was an ordinary coach.
There are numerous factors that make a great coach. Wining the ultimate prize is just the recognition they get. Charismatic, great communicator, intelligent, hard working, organised, etc etc. Very few of these attributes are referenced to what position on the ground you mainly played in your playing career.
Charisma probably not THAT important ( Ross Lyon ) .
Out of interest does anyone know if there has ever been any assistant coaches who haven't actually played AFL?
Potentially I cant even see a reason a woman couldn't do the assistant coach role, except for the boys club mentality around the clubs that means even the guy who sweeps the floor is probably a former footy player.
Re: Banger Harvey
Kickit wrote:Totally agree. Being highly competitive and motivated probably helps as well.Moods wrote:I don't subscribe to that theory at all. Matthews won 4 flags. Walls was a brilliant coach in his early years of coaching. Paul Roos built the Swans into what they are today. Blight won back to back flags at the Crows. Ross Lyon is the best coach in the business at the moment imo - and played most of his footy on ball or on a half Fwd flank.Bernard Shakey wrote:Defenders make the best coaches;
Sheedy;
Parkin;
Pagan;
Malthouse;
Thompson;
Eade;
Worsfold.
Danny Frawley was an ordinary coach.
There are numerous factors that make a great coach. Wining the ultimate prize is just the recognition they get. Charismatic, great communicator, intelligent, hard working, organised, etc etc. Very few of these attributes are referenced to what position on the ground you mainly played in your playing career.
Charisma probably not THAT important ( Ross Lyon ) .
Out of interest does anyone know if there has ever been any assistant coaches who haven't actually played AFL?
Potentially I cant even see a reason a woman couldn't do the assistant coach role, except for the boys club mentality around the clubs that means even the guy who sweeps the floor is probably a former footy player.
Well the WB have a coach who hasnt played AFL and Carlton had one too.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 764
- Joined: Fri 08 May 2009 12:59pm
- Location: Mill Park
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 2 times
Re: Banger Harvey
Woosha Passdragit wrote:Club legends don't seem to have a very good strike rate as coaches at the moment.
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
Re: Banger Harvey
Jarred wrote:But the best coaches of all time where mostly great players... Matthews, Roos, Sheedy, Blight ect.dragit wrote:Club legends don't seem to have a very good strike rate as coaches at the moment.
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
So hopefully Banger is one of those!
only one there that i would class as a champion player is matthews......sheedy was a dirty little back pocket player...blight was a very good player, a so so coach and a shirt house bloke....roos was a very good coach....an an above average player.....our own allan jeans and the great john kennedy were just players......
but i wish the very best of luck to banger....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
Re: Banger Harvey
stinger wrote:Jarred wrote:But the best coaches of all time where mostly great players... Matthews, Roos, Sheedy, Blight ect.dragit wrote:Club legends don't seem to have a very good strike rate as coaches at the moment.
Voss - Fail
Ratten - Fail
Primus - Fail
Hird - Epic fail
Buckley - Failing slowly
Banger doesn't seem like a head coach to me… the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players
So hopefully Banger is one of those!
only one there that i would class as a champion player is matthews......sheedy was a dirty little back pocket player...blight was a very good player, a so so coach and a shirt house bloke....roos was a very good coach....an an above average player.....own own allan jeans and the great john kennedy were just players......
Blight won 2 flage. he was an excellent player and coach. Im guessing you wouldnt have a clue what sort of bloke he was.
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2841
- Joined: Fri 23 Sep 2011 4:24pm
- Location: Australia
- Has thanked: 774 times
- Been thanked: 871 times
Re: Banger Harvey
Believe me, Sheedy was a great player and pivitol to Richmond's success in the late 60's and early 70's. It's too easy to paint him as an unskilled clown as time passes because he didn't have the poise and grace of, say, Ian Stewart or Royce Hart. He might have looked as rough as guts but he was highly skilled and creative.plugger66 wrote:dragit wrote:I'll give you Matthews & Blight, not sure about Roos's 1 flag…
Was Sheedy a great player?
No but he was very good.
Saint supporter since '62
Re: Banger Harvey
i just remember him as a dirty little richmond player.....Trev from the Bush wrote:Believe me, Sheedy was a great player and pivitol to Richmond's success in the late 60's and early 70's. It's too easy to paint him as an unskilled clown as time passes because he didn't have the poise and grace of, say, Ian Stewart or Royce Hart. He might have looked as rough as guts but he was highly skilled and creative.plugger66 wrote:dragit wrote:I'll give you Matthews & Blight, not sure about Roos's 1 flag…
Was Sheedy a great player?
No but he was very good.
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
- SaintPav
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18830
- Joined: Wed 16 Jun 2010 9:24pm
- Location: Alma Road
- Has thanked: 1564 times
- Been thanked: 1958 times
Re: Banger Harvey
What was Jack Dyer like?stinger wrote:
i just remember him as a dirty little richmond player.....
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.
- Eastern
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 14357
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
- Location: 3132
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Banger Harvey
You lot have forgotten the greatest 2 coaches of all time;
Kevin Bartlett & Tony Shaw. Just ask either of them
!!
Kevin Bartlett & Tony Shaw. Just ask either of them
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
NEW scarf signature (hopefully with correct spelling) will be here as soon as it arrives !!
![Image](http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/saintbrat/9c94369c.jpg)
![Image](http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/saintbrat/9c94369c.jpg)
- Dave McNamara
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5709
- Joined: Wed 21 Sep 2011 2:44pm
- Location: Slotting another one from 94.5m out. Opposition flood? Bring it on...! Keep the faith Saintas!
- Has thanked: 80 times
- Been thanked: 74 times
Re: Banger Harvey
I'm surprised no one has named these two...Eastern wrote:You lot have forgotten the greatest 2 coaches of all time;
Kevin Bartlett & Tony Shaw. Just ask either of them!!
Norm Smith - full forward.
Phonse Kyne - centre half forward.
As an aside, I'd rate Blight as close to the best, and close to the most skilful player that I've seen.
(Best is Leigh Matthews, but no slight on his skill levels, Blight was a far more skilful player... wasn't much he couldn't do.
I never saw our Doc play, nor Darryl Baldock, so I'll leave that comparison to those who would know.)
It's Dave, man. Will you open up? I got the stuff with me! -------Who?
Dave, man. Open up ------------------------------------------ -----Dave???
Yeah, Dave. ---------------------------------------------------------Dave's not here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOiG1hAr ... detailpage
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
Dave, man. Open up ------------------------------------------ -----Dave???
Yeah, Dave. ---------------------------------------------------------Dave's not here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOiG1hAr ... detailpage
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)