Our 15 Veterans in 2014
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Our 15 Veterans in 2014
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Hayes, Lenny - Earnt the right to make the call himself. The great man will know what to do .
Milne, Stephen - Gone
Blake, Jason - Gone
Fisher, Sam - Should be Gone
Koschitzke, Justin - Gone
Riewoldt, Nick - Same as Lenny
Montagna, Leigh - Keep. Going well
Dempster, Sean - 2014 to be final year
Jones, Clinton - ? Not sure ?
Dal Santo, Nick - Same as Joey
Schneider, Adam ? Not sure?
Maister, Beau - Keep
Ray, Farren - Keep
Gwilt, James - ?Not sure?
Gilbert, Sam - Keep or trade
Hayes, Lenny - Earnt the right to make the call himself. The great man will know what to do .
Milne, Stephen - Gone
Blake, Jason - Gone
Fisher, Sam - Should be Gone
Koschitzke, Justin - Gone
Riewoldt, Nick - Same as Lenny
Montagna, Leigh - Keep. Going well
Dempster, Sean - 2014 to be final year
Jones, Clinton - ? Not sure ?
Dal Santo, Nick - Same as Joey
Schneider, Adam ? Not sure?
Maister, Beau - Keep
Ray, Farren - Keep
Gwilt, James - ?Not sure?
Gilbert, Sam - Keep or trade
Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
No idea why Fisher should be gone. Care to explain. One injury riddled year means he should go. Pretty strange I reckon.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
Agree,dont think we need to be moving on tall backs,its a big weakness atm.need himplugger66 wrote:No idea why Fisher should be gone. Care to explain. One injury riddled year means he should go. Pretty strange I reckon.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
I said he should go around again in 2014. See abovefugazi wrote:Dempster is fine
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
Before everyone proceeds to list players who they think are going well - I remind all of you we are 3rd bottom with 3 wins and a % of 78 and getting lower.
So lets keep things real and current please.
No 2009 fantasies of how good certain people used to be.
So lets keep things real and current please.
No 2009 fantasies of how good certain people used to be.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
But let's also remember to not go down the Demons pathway,!
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But I dont know how good Fisher, Schneider and Gwilt would be, hardly saw any of them this year.Con Gorozidis wrote:No 2009 fantasies of how good certain people used to be.
How could you get rid of them or want to?
The game at Geelong would be a weekly occurance under your destruction.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
Gwilt fisher haven't even had opportunities to play their traditional role since we let Zac go and haven't replaced him.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
I would be moving CJ on, but keeping Schneider & Gwilt,Con Gorozidis wrote:List from oldest to youngest
Hayes, Lenny - Earnt the right to make the call himself. The great man will know what to do .
Milne, Stephen - Gone
Blake, Jason - Gone
Fisher, Sam - Should be Gone
Koschitzke, Justin - Gone
Riewoldt, Nick - Same as Lenny
Montagna, Leigh - Keep. Going well
Dempster, Sean - 2014 to be final year
Jones, Clinton - ? Not sure ?
Dal Santo, Nick - Same as Joey
Schneider, Adam ? Not sure?
Maister, Beau - Keep
Ray, Farren - Keep
Gwilt, James - ?Not sure?
Gilbert, Sam - Keep or trade
Absolutely no way we would get rid of Fisher… that's insane Con considering our tall defender shortage.
agree with the others generally… Milne, Kosi, Blake & Jones makes 4 spots Ledger, Saad & Milera would be doubtful at this stage… also old BJ mk2 Siposs is looking very, very ordinary right now.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
CJ shut down Rich after half time. He's a great tagger, a good asset to have on the list. Smart footballer too. His kicking this year has been the best yet.
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He was on Rich when he kicked 3 goals wasn't he?Munga wrote:CJ shut down Rich after half time. He's a great tagger, a good asset to have on the list. Smart footballer too. His kicking this year has been the best yet.
At any rate, when we are losing 90% of the time I can't see the point in having a specialist tagger in the side when half the time, his man still ends up BOG.
Our biggest issue is skill execution, particularly kicking IMO, CJ for all his effort is still the worst kicking mid in the comp, time to move on.
That said, I won't be upset if he stays on, he does set a great example in effort…
Hopefully we have 2 decent young mids from this year's draft who we will be pumping games into, and if Hayes goes on, with Montagna & Dal… something has to give.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
Milne, Blake, & Koschitzke are the only definites for me. De-list another 2 (probably out of Saad, Milera, Ledger, & TDL). Upgrade a rookie, and then have 4 picks in the draft (3,21,39,57). Next year we'll probably see Hayes, Fisher, Jones, & Schneider go.
That will leave us in 2015 only (possibly) four players aged 30 or over - Riewoldt, Montagna, Dal Santo, Dempster. The bulk of the list will be aged between 18 and 24.
Currently, we have in the 18 to 22 age group:
Hickey, Siposs, Ross, Lee, Markworth, Newnes, Roberton, White, Stanley, Webster, Murdoch, Simpkin, Wright, Saunders, Lever. Add another 10 to that list in the next 2 drafts, then we'll have 25 players between 18 and 24, but only 5 players in the 25 to 27 age group. That main young group won't hit the ideal 24 to 26 age demographic until 2016. Then we should start to see improvement from 2017.
That will leave us in 2015 only (possibly) four players aged 30 or over - Riewoldt, Montagna, Dal Santo, Dempster. The bulk of the list will be aged between 18 and 24.
Currently, we have in the 18 to 22 age group:
Hickey, Siposs, Ross, Lee, Markworth, Newnes, Roberton, White, Stanley, Webster, Murdoch, Simpkin, Wright, Saunders, Lever. Add another 10 to that list in the next 2 drafts, then we'll have 25 players between 18 and 24, but only 5 players in the 25 to 27 age group. That main young group won't hit the ideal 24 to 26 age demographic until 2016. Then we should start to see improvement from 2017.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
PADDLEPOP1001 wrote:But let's also remember to not go down the Demons pathway,!
Brent Maloney was 28 when they axed him.
Jared Rivers was 28.
Liam Jurrah 24
Tom Scully 20
Brad Green 30
I think the Melbourne thing is a bit of a myth to be honest.
I think they have all sorts of other issues that make them bad.
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Chuck in 4 x 29 year olds - Maister, Gilbo, Gwilt, Ray.cwrcyn wrote:Milne, Blake, & Koschitzke are the only definites for me. De-list another 2 (probably out of Saad, Milera, Ledger, & TDL). Upgrade a rookie, and then have 4 picks in the draft (3,21,39,57). Next year we'll probably see Hayes, Fisher, Jones, & Schneider go.
That will leave us in 2015 only (possibly) four players aged 30 or over - Riewoldt, Montagna, Dal Santo, Dempster. The bulk of the list will be aged between 18 and 24.
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He is shorter than gilbo and Roberton neither of whom are tall baxks.bergsone wrote:Agree,dont think we need to be moving on tall backs,its a big weakness atm.need himplugger66 wrote:No idea why Fisher should be gone. Care to explain. One injury riddled year means he should go. Pretty strange I reckon.
He is the same height as simpkin who everyone on here complains about being too small.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
Fisher was a very good defender under Lyon.
He took on the #1 forward who was usually taller,
and got great assistance from the game plan and team rules.
SW has changed things around, also opposition analysts worked out ways to negate Fisher.
Hopefully his surgery is successful.
Hope we get a decent defensive coach to regain the mojo.
He took on the #1 forward who was usually taller,
and got great assistance from the game plan and team rules.
SW has changed things around, also opposition analysts worked out ways to negate Fisher.
Hopefully his surgery is successful.
Hope we get a decent defensive coach to regain the mojo.
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Con Gorozidis wrote:He is shorter than gilbo and Roberton neither of whom are tall baxks.bergsone wrote:Agree,dont think we need to be moving on tall backs,its a big weakness atm.need himplugger66 wrote:No idea why Fisher should be gone. Care to explain. One injury riddled year means he should go. Pretty strange I reckon.
He is the same height as simpkin who everyone on here complains about being too small.
Yep and whats your point. height isnt relevant when we have actually seen him play on the big guys. Con you are trying anything to prove he should go but this one to just plain silly.
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Precisely!Munga wrote:CJ shut down Rich after half time. He's a great tagger, a good asset to have on the list. Smart footballer too. His kicking this year has been the best yet.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
We need senior players during our rebuild, my thoughts:
Hayes, Lenny - Please stay for 2014
Milne, Stephen - Stay for 2014
Blake, Jason - Gone
Fisher, Sam - Stay until 2015
Koschitzke, Justin - Gone ( I love my kozi)
Riewoldt, Nick - Please stay for 2014 and 2015....
Montagna, Leigh - Stay
Dempster, Sean - Stay
Jones, Clinton - Stay
Dal Santo, Nick - Stay
Schneider, Adam - Stay
Maister, Beau - Stay
Ray, Farren - Stay
Gwilt, James - Stay
Gilbert, Sam - Stay
We need these senior players in the team at least for the 2014-2015 period to ease in and assist our new players, we should be heading north (ladder wise) in 2016 onwards.
Its going to be a dark year next year, i expect improvement by the latter stages of 2015.
Man oh man we need some defenders and mids and please players who can kick the ball 50m plus, hope well are active and brazen during this draft period, especially with free agents.
Hayes, Lenny - Please stay for 2014
Milne, Stephen - Stay for 2014
Blake, Jason - Gone
Fisher, Sam - Stay until 2015
Koschitzke, Justin - Gone ( I love my kozi)
Riewoldt, Nick - Please stay for 2014 and 2015....
Montagna, Leigh - Stay
Dempster, Sean - Stay
Jones, Clinton - Stay
Dal Santo, Nick - Stay
Schneider, Adam - Stay
Maister, Beau - Stay
Ray, Farren - Stay
Gwilt, James - Stay
Gilbert, Sam - Stay
We need these senior players in the team at least for the 2014-2015 period to ease in and assist our new players, we should be heading north (ladder wise) in 2016 onwards.
Its going to be a dark year next year, i expect improvement by the latter stages of 2015.
Man oh man we need some defenders and mids and please players who can kick the ball 50m plus, hope well are active and brazen during this draft period, especially with free agents.
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After half time? WTF is that about… he manned him from the first bounce, Rich kicked 3 goals in the first half and racked up 19 touches for the game… would be one of his best matches for the year.Cairnsman wrote:Precisely!Munga wrote:CJ shut down Rich after half time. He's a great tagger, a good asset to have on the list. Smart footballer too. His kicking this year has been the best yet.
How is that a win?
Smart footballer? He's afraid to kick the ball so runs in a circle looking to handball.
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So that's 2 players retired, who else do we delist in order to draft more than 2 players and add some mature defenders?wolfpup wrote:We need senior players during our rebuild, my thoughts:
Hayes, Lenny - Please stay for 2014
Milne, Stephen - Stay for 2014
Blake, Jason - Gone
Fisher, Sam - Stay until 2015
Koschitzke, Justin - Gone ( I love my kozi)
Riewoldt, Nick - Please stay for 2014 and 2015....
Montagna, Leigh - Stay
Dempster, Sean - Stay
Jones, Clinton - Stay
Dal Santo, Nick - Stay
Schneider, Adam - Stay
Maister, Beau - Stay
Ray, Farren - Stay
Gwilt, James - Stay
Gilbert, Sam - Stay
We need these senior players in the team at least for the 2014-2015 period to ease in and assist our new players, we should be heading north (ladder wise) in 2016 onwards.
Its going to be a dark year next year, i expect improvement by the latter stages of 2015.
Man oh man we need some defenders and mids and please players who can kick the ball 50m plus, hope well are active and brazen during this draft period, especially with free agents.
I just don't see how we are going to continue to get games into young guys if we retain all those players…
Our strongest is side is probably something like…
Milne Maister Schneider
Dal Santo Riewoldt Lee
Montagna Steven Jones
Gilbert Fisher Gwilt
Geary Dempster Roberton
McEvoy Hayes, Armitage
Ray, Stanley, Wright
(plus a mature KPD or 2)
But this side still won't compete with about 14 other sides…
I don't think we can wait for injuries to play these guys…
Murdoch, Saunders, Hickey, Siposs, Ross, Markworth, Newnes, Webster, Simpkin, Dunell, Wright
Otherwise we will be even worse off in 2 years time.
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Re: Our 15 Veterans in 2014
We need Milney, but sadly I think we wont have him because of his trial next year. I cant see the point of keeping Maister on the list with Tom Lee doing so well and Markwell to come back.
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Every game we play an old guy who ain't that good anymore anyway we just slow down te process of renewal and stop a kid getting experience.
I'd much rather see Shenton in the midfield than CJ.
I'd much rather see Shenton in the midfield than CJ.