Why is Dawson being touted as trade bait?

[Moods]

He's youngish - 23-24. Was our best player in the finals in 2010. Needs to get stronger, however has a good turn of speed and KPP don't grow on trees - especially full backs. Surely we aren't paying him over the odds? And surely he hasn't asked to be traded. I know he can make mistakes - but in the big scheme of things I reckon we need to keep him. What have we got to gain by trading him.

[St Ick]

All I can think of is that 'in Ross he trusts' and might be worried that the new coach will think he is useless. Can't see us trying to get rid of our FB - isn't exactly as dispensable as others on our list.

[Con Gorozidis]

He's youngish - 23-24. Was our best player in the finals in 2010. Needs to get stronger, however has a good turn of speed and KPP don't grow on trees - especially full backs. Surely we aren't paying him over the odds? And surely he hasn't asked to be traded. I know he can make mistakes - but in the big scheme of things I reckon we need to keep him. What have we got to gain by trading him.

agree.
would have to be a very very juicy offer. if he does some more gym work he could end up a real gun for the next 7 years.

[MC Gusto]

I reckon they are playing both zac and ray

Pelchen is clever - talk it up in the media and then sign em up for less

Seen it happen many times before

[BigMart]

Zac would be 26 next year

[maverick]

He's youngish - 23-24. Was our best player in the finals in 2010. Needs to get stronger, however has a good turn of speed and KPP don't grow on trees - especially full backs. Surely we aren't paying him over the odds? And surely he hasn't asked to be traded. I know he can make mistakes - but in the big scheme of things I reckon we need to keep him. What have we got to gain by trading him.

agree.
would have to be a very very juicy offer. if he does some more gym work he could end up a real gun for the next 7 years.

Yep its that easy

[savatage]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

[plugger66]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Of course he wont but it doesnt stop some thinking you just do weights and look like Tarzan.

[savatage]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Of course he wont but it doesnt stop some thinking you just do weights and look like Tarzan.

Clearly....and with a sudden strong physique that grows overnight - his football ability will suddenly double I guess too....

[St Ick]

All I can think of is that 'in Ross he trusts' and might be worried that the new coach will think he is useless. Can't see us trying to get rid of our FB - isn't exactly as dispensable as others on our list.

afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.

[savatage]

All I can think of is that 'in Ross he trusts' and might be worried that the new coach will think he is useless. Can't see us trying to get rid of our FB - isn't exactly as dispensable as others on our list.

afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.

We trust Ross Lyon's word??

[SainterK]

Maybe Pelchen isn't interested in Zac?

[saint patrick]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Weird thing was in 09 he beefed up bigtime..remember him giving Barry Hall a great bump and outmuscling him and generally physically holding his own that year..then in 2010 he ran out for the first round a good 7 kgs lighter ,looking much scrawnier ..he needs a good weight program from the new fitness coach..wouldn't give Zac up easily..does a job generally

[Dr Spaceman]

All I can think of is that 'in Ross he trusts' and might be worried that the new coach will think he is useless. Can't see us trying to get rid of our FB - isn't exactly as dispensable as others on our list.

afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.

What about current ones?

[savatage]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Weird thing was in 09 he beefed up bigtime..remember him giving Barry Hall a great bump and outmuscling him and generally physically holding his own that year..then in 2010 he ran out for the first round a good 7 kgs lighter ,looking much scrawnier ..he needs a good weight program from the new fitness coach..wouldn't give Zac up easily..does a job generally

He was a "little" bigger in the upper body - let's not get too carried away. He had a tad more size in the arms. Got sick subsequently & lost it...never put it back on.

The bumping was an early trademark & a good one - but that had more to do with timing & solid legs (which he does have!) than upper body strength.

Zac's alright. He's by no means a gun & he's by no means a hack...but one of many players who you'd put out there to see what other options there are.

[savatage]

All I can think of is that 'in Ross he trusts' and might be worried that the new coach will think he is useless. Can't see us trying to get rid of our FB - isn't exactly as dispensable as others on our list.

afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.

What about current ones?

Zing!

[saint patrick]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Weird thing was in 09 he beefed up bigtime..remember him giving Barry Hall a great bump and outmuscling him and generally physically holding his own that year..then in 2010 he ran out for the first round a good 7 kgs lighter ,looking much scrawnier ..he needs a good weight program from the new fitness coach..wouldn't give Zac up easily..does a job generally

He was a "little" bigger in the upper body - let's not get too carried away. He had a tad more size in the arms. Got sick subsequently & lost it...never put it back on.

The bumping was an early trademark & a good one - but that had more to do with timing & solid legs (which he does have!) than upper body strength.

Zac's alright. He's by no means a gun & he's by no means a hack...but one of many players who you'd put out there to see what other options there are.

I would be very interested in comparing his weight in 09 to 10..reckon there was lot more definition and conditioning there and you could see it in the way he wasn't pushed aside like the previous year..work in the fitness area and reckon he was much stronger that year !

[BigMart]

I remeber him doing a superb job on Barry Hall in a NAB Cup Grand Final......

[savatage]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Weird thing was in 09 he beefed up bigtime..remember him giving Barry Hall a great bump and outmuscling him and generally physically holding his own that year..then in 2010 he ran out for the first round a good 7 kgs lighter ,looking much scrawnier ..he needs a good weight program from the new fitness coach..wouldn't give Zac up easily..does a job generally

He was a "little" bigger in the upper body - let's not get too carried away. He had a tad more size in the arms. Got sick subsequently & lost it...never put it back on.

The bumping was an early trademark & a good one - but that had more to do with timing & solid legs (which he does have!) than upper body strength.

Zac's alright. He's by no means a gun & he's by no means a hack...but one of many players who you'd put out there to see what other options there are.

I would be very interested in comparing his weight in 09 to 10..reckon there was lot more definition and conditioning there and you could see it in the way he wasn't pushed aside like the previous year..work in the fitness area and reckon he was much stronger that year !

Straight after losing that weight - obviously he was noticeably thinner...he looked terrible - but it shouldn't take someone used to resistance training that long to put weight back on.

I went overseas for 2 months, didnt touch a weight - or take protein shakes etc...I lost a noticeable amount of weight & size, I've quickly put it back on from solid work in 4 weeks. You'd know better than anyone - that a bit of hard work & the right nutrition & the muscle memory will kick back in!

He should be way bigger than he was at the start of 2009...unless there's a medical reason for him not to be doing upper body weight training then this is pretty disappointing. Genetically he must find it hard to stack the KG's on it must be said.

[saint patrick]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Weird thing was in 09 he beefed up bigtime..remember him giving Barry Hall a great bump and outmuscling him and generally physically holding his own that year..then in 2010 he ran out for the first round a good 7 kgs lighter ,looking much scrawnier ..he needs a good weight program from the new fitness coach..wouldn't give Zac up easily..does a job generally

He was a "little" bigger in the upper body - let's not get too carried away. He had a tad more size in the arms. Got sick subsequently & lost it...never put it back on.

The bumping was an early trademark & a good one - but that had more to do with timing & solid legs (which he does have!) than upper body strength.

Zac's alright. He's by no means a gun & he's by no means a hack...but one of many players who you'd put out there to see what other options there are.

I would be very interested in comparing his weight in 09 to 10..reckon there was lot more definition and conditioning there and you could see it in the way he wasn't pushed aside like the previous year..work in the fitness area and reckon he was much stronger that year !

Straight after losing that weight - obviously he was noticeably thinner...he looked terrible - but it shouldn't take someone used to resistance training that long to put weight back on.

I went overseas for 2 months, didnt touch a weight - or take protein shakes etc...I lost a noticeable amount of weight & size, I've quickly put it back on from solid work in 4 weeks. You'd know better than anyone - that a bit of hard work & the right nutrition & the muscle memory will kick back in!

He should be way bigger than he was at the start of 2009...unless there's a medical reason for him not to be doing upper body weight training then this is pretty disappointing. Genetically he must find it hard to stack the KG's on it must be said.

Agree with this..there may be other reasons like a nagging injury that may have prevented Zac regaining his conditioning..will be interesting to see how he presents this year...hope its in Red,White and Black personally

[savatage]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Weird thing was in 09 he beefed up bigtime..remember him giving Barry Hall a great bump and outmuscling him and generally physically holding his own that year..then in 2010 he ran out for the first round a good 7 kgs lighter ,looking much scrawnier ..he needs a good weight program from the new fitness coach..wouldn't give Zac up easily..does a job generally

He was a "little" bigger in the upper body - let's not get too carried away. He had a tad more size in the arms. Got sick subsequently & lost it...never put it back on.

The bumping was an early trademark & a good one - but that had more to do with timing & solid legs (which he does have!) than upper body strength.

Zac's alright. He's by no means a gun & he's by no means a hack...but one of many players who you'd put out there to see what other options there are.

I would be very interested in comparing his weight in 09 to 10..reckon there was lot more definition and conditioning there and you could see it in the way he wasn't pushed aside like the previous year..work in the fitness area and reckon he was much stronger that year !

Straight after losing that weight - obviously he was noticeably thinner...he looked terrible - but it shouldn't take someone used to resistance training that long to put weight back on.

I went overseas for 2 months, didnt touch a weight - or take protein shakes etc...I lost a noticeable amount of weight & size, I've quickly put it back on from solid work in 4 weeks. You'd know better than anyone - that a bit of hard work & the right nutrition & the muscle memory will kick back in!

He should be way bigger than he was at the start of 2009...unless there's a medical reason for him not to be doing upper body weight training then this is pretty disappointing. Genetically he must find it hard to stack the KG's on it must be said.

Agree with this..there may be other reasons like a nagging injury that may have prevented Zac regaining his conditioning..will be interesting to see how he presents this year...hope its in Red,White and Black personally

Man...if he's with us next year (which is pretty likely)...I'd hope like hell that he's stacking the creatine and punishing himself in the weights room...

[Bernard Shakey]

Maybe Pelchen isn't interested in Zac?

Sounds like a smart man that Mr Pelchen.

[Nikky Rixon]

i like the way he pisses opposition forwards off he must get under thier skin which is cool , i just hope he and Taff Clarke and Panther Sam Gilbert really come of age next year i reckon they will gotta keep him

[Con Gorozidis]

Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

Of course he wont but it doesnt stop some thinking you just do weights and look like Tarzan.

Ur a total douche plugger. Clrarly never played sport.
U can make large improvements in strength if u train and eat smart and hard. If u haven't seen people do it u have never played sport at any level.

[The OtherThommo]

I remeber him doing a superb job on Barry Hall in a NAB Cup Grand Final......

And I remember him doing a superb job on the same player in a fair dinkum final - 2010 Preliminary Final.

Still, I suppose it's time we assessed more players on NAB Cup form. Clearly an underrated criterion on which to manage a list.