Mike's Top 50 debate

saintbrat · Post: # 1156091Post **saintbrat** » Tue 04 Oct 2011 9:12pm

resurfaces again with the end of the year
4 saints in the top 60 selected for consideration

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mikes-top-50

Junction Oval · Tue 04 Oct 2011 9:26pm

Clearly, the 4 Saints nominated pick themselves - BJ, Dal, Chips & Milney.

After that, I would think that it's an argument about the chances of Dempster, Montagna, Peake - Maybe. Maybe not.

For the rest, "consistency" is the problem, particularly early in the year (read McEvoy).

saintbrat · Post: # 1156106Post **saintbrat** » Tue 04 Oct 2011 9:33pm

Mike's Bottom group now up
Milney at 50

BJ at 42

others queried
Watson at 43 ? I guess he did start well- but injury cruelled his season.

Old Mate · Post: # 1156111Post **Old Mate** » Tue 04 Oct 2011 9:37pm

hodge and goddard the big sliders.

Moccha · Post: # 1156162Post **Moccha** » Tue 04 Oct 2011 10:57pm

This guy is the biggest knob going around. No one cares what he thinks so why do they bother reading "his" top 50? Maybe if they polled all the journos and came up with a top 50 that would be better. But then again they have something called the MVP voted by the coaches which is far more credible.

Austinnn · Post: # 1156218Post **Austinnn** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 12:48am

I like how Sheahan has pumped up his Top 50 list over the years to present it as something that is quite important and noteworthy. To think of the amount of hours he spends working this out and then the inevitable justifications for the controversial decisions, makes my eyes water.

It's just some bloke's opinion. I doubt whether anyone who plays or coaches gives a monkey's...

Let's have Some Random Football Fan's Top 50. The only thing it tells us is about Mike Sheahan.

BigMart · Post: # 1156222Post **BigMart** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 12:59am

Couldnt be bothered reading it...why would anyone care what his opinion is..

Get an ex coach to do it....then it may carry some weight

plugger66 · Post: # 1156236Post **plugger66** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 7:13am

BigMart wrote:Couldnt be bothered reading it...why would anyone care what his opinion is..

Get an ex coach to do it....then it may carry some weight

Yep even if they dont go to games. They can just go by what they read. Thats right in papers. Who cares about the top 50. If you dont like it dont read it and if interested thats good.

markinUSA · Wed 05 Oct 2011 11:05am

How on earth can Milne only be 50?

Moccha · Post: # 1156319Post **Moccha** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 11:15am

markinUSA wrote:How on earth can Milne only be 50?

And he woudn't have made top 50 if he didn't make All Australian. I wonder if he placed Betts higher?

Again just an opinion albeit a watery one

Hurricane · Wed 05 Oct 2011 11:18am

Mike Sheehan has totally lost it.

Not only with Milne at and BJ that low a but Hodge where also low down is and Petrie and Gibson

as high as they are.

BANG BANG

stinger · Post: # 1156381Post **stinger** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 1:56pm

Hurricane wrote:Mike Sheehan has totally lost it.

Not only with Milne at and BJ that low a but Hodge where also low down is and Petrie and Gibson as high as they are.

BANG BANG

if i was picking the best available side...those three would all be in my top 22......the guy's a turkey....milney 50 ffs......just as well the selectors of the all australian side have a few more brains and clues than noddy.....

plugger66 · Post: # 1156533Post **plugger66** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 7:37pm

stinger wrote:
Hurricane wrote:Mike Sheehan has totally lost it.

Not only with Milne at and BJ that low a but Hodge where also low down is and Petrie and Gibson as high as they are.

BANG BANG
if i was picking the best available side...those three would all be in my top 22......the guy's a turkey....milney 50 ffs......just as well the selectors of the all australian side have a few more brains and clues than noddy.....

He isnt picking a side but that doesnt stop the brain deads having not working it out.

saintbrat · Post: # 1156605Post **saintbrat** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 9:14pm

for discussion and debate-- makes a talking point- no right or wrong-

second group now up and Dal at 19 and Chips at 17

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 6158367144

Dr Spaceman · Wed 05 Oct 2011 9:17pm

Sneak peek of Mike's Top 10

BigMart · Post: # 1156621Post **BigMart** » Wed 05 Oct 2011 9:25pm

You obviously would rate his opinion highly...... Similar type to you i reckon....

He could watch every game.....and watch 3 replays....still wouldnt waste my time with his rubbish

Who do you reckon could write the more accurate top 50

Roos
Matthews
Laidley
Parkin
Sheehan

I know which is the odd one out....the one without the actual knowledge

I Love Peter Kiel · Wed 05 Oct 2011 11:35pm

It used to be 'Mike Sheahan's Top 50 players better than Winmar'.

Now it's Mike Sheahan's Top 50 small forwards better than Milne'.

no. 1: Medhurst
no.2 Didak
etc etc

Moccha · Post: # 1156727Post **Moccha** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 12:54am

Mike says: What a story. Top 50 for the second year running ... after being given away by St Kilda. 500-plus possessions, 166 tackles, 18 goals. Super package.

WTF!

The Redeemer · Thu 06 Oct 2011 3:15am

Kade Simpson is not in the top 200 players in the game...

jmac101 · Post: # 1156764Post **jmac101** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 9:03am

Not sure about all the bitterness towards mike on this site. A bit childish really. I quite like his opinions. It's a list from the point of view of one person that people are interested in - don't fret over it.

Personally, I think mike is one of the few good journos left. He gets his breaking stories and rumours right more than the others.

As for the Ball thing - he is right. Our coach effectively gave him up by not valuing him. I hate that we did that to him and I hate that he plays for collingwood. But hindsight now tells us that we made a mistake because his will to play well was ultimately stronger than his body.

BigMart · Post: # 1156769Post **BigMart** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 9:14am

Yes, he can break stories....thats his job...and he can write interviews, even cover games with commentary pieces

But expert analysis is not his go....hi football knowledge is not strong enough....his opinion is no better than the next bloke....

Deciding who is better....ball or montagna....he does not have enough knoledge to base it on.....so therefore..irrelevent

Moccha · Post: # 1156791Post **Moccha** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 9:57am

I reckon he can break wind better than he can break stories

St Ick · Post: # 1156828Post **St Ick** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 11:27am

I used to get all in a huff and puff over his top 50, but he is a journo, employed to give his opinion and create debate - which is exactly what we are doing.

Of course he gets things wrong, I mean, Enright and Kelly so high, seriously? But we are talking about it so hello, job done... its just one persons opinion, if you don't like it, don't look at it or talk about it, simple.

Fidelis · Post: # 1156829Post **Fidelis** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 11:27am

We can quibble about his rankings or his expertise but for me the relevant thing for Saints fans is that few of us would argue that, for various reasons, we had as many players in the top echelon this year a we have had previously. At the end of 2010 there was little argument from us that Goddard and Hayes were top 5, Roo was at the start of 2010, and that Monty, Dal and Fisher were close to top 20.

It's clear we've not got those claims for our best in 2011.

realdeal · Post: # 1156830Post **realdeal** » Thu 06 Oct 2011 11:30am

jmac101 wrote:Not sure about all the bitterness towards mike on this site. A bit childish really. I quite like his opinions. It's a list from the point of view of one person that people are interested in - don't fret over it.

Personally, I think mike is one of the few good journos left. He gets his breaking stories and rumours right more than the others.

As for the Ball thing - he is right. Our coach effectively gave him up by not valuing him. I hate that we did that to him and I hate that he plays for collingwood. But hindsight now tells us that we made a mistake because his will to play well was ultimately stronger than his body.

What annoys the hell out of me is the fact that 2 years later journo's continue to mention 'St.Kilda giving him away' every time Ball's name is mentioned.
Ball left us after being on great money and doing sfa for the previous 3 years and was offered a contract. We should've recieved compensation back for him but he left us.
They didn't mention Port Adelaide eveytime Nick Stevens did anything for Carlton.. In fact a remember them being praise for standing up for themselves.

and in regards to Mike's top 50, its always going to cause debate, thats the nature of it and everyone's opinions but Ball at No22!? eck, No122 maybe.. Ball hardly had an opponent after Swan, Thomas and Pendelbury.