Chris Pelchen & Ross !!

Eastern · Post: # 1103354Post **Eastern** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:27pm

Reported on 3AW that Ross was having a coffee with Pelchen earlier today. I'd suggest that a transcript of the conversation would be interesting. Was Ross offering him a job? or was he seeking an outside opinion on our list? Or something else ??????? !!

Cairnsman · Post: # 1103356Post **Cairnsman** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:33pm

He could have just been offering him a flat white.

Eastern · Post: # 1103357Post **Eastern** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:35pm

A FREE coffee is the new FREE Lunch. NO SUCH THING !!

Cairnsman · Post: # 1103361Post **Cairnsman** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:37pm

I see Robbo mention something about him today in one of his pieces. Did he leave the Hawks under mysterious circumstances?

Eastern · Post: # 1103363Post **Eastern** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:41pm

Cairnsman wrote:I see Robbo mention something about him today in one of his pieces. Did he leave the Hawks under mysterious circumstances?

Could SACKING be classed as mysterious? !!

dcstkfc · Post: # 1103364Post **dcstkfc** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:41pm

Cairnsman · Post: # 1103365Post **Cairnsman** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:43pm

Eastern wrote:
Cairnsman wrote:I see Robbo mention something about him today in one of his pieces. Did he leave the Hawks under mysterious circumstances?
Could SACKING be classed as mysterious? !!

Ok didn't hear that. So what Robbo was asking then is why?

ausfatcat · Mon 11 Jul 2011 10:12pm

Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html

SaintPav · Post: # 1103381Post **SaintPav** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 10:23pm

ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html

Sounds just like Cairnsman.

Junction Oval · Mon 11 Jul 2011 10:45pm

Ausfatcat said :

Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)
But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)
personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

If he has a poor reputation within AFL Clubs, Ross would know this. When Pelchen's resignation came up a month or so ago, I commented on SS that the least the Club could do, was to speak with him, as his record speaks for itself.

It seems that the Club may be undertaking a "due diligence" approach, which "we shoudl" do.

Sounds like Ausfatcat may have some inside info

Let's leave this with Ross and the Club to decide, but clearly, Recruitmant has not been our best suite for the past few years.

Saintersss · Mon 11 Jul 2011 10:55pm

One thing that he is noted for; which would please many on here if he was hired; is that he is a big believer in only drafting players who can kick. He is the big reason the Hawks have so many good kicks in their side.

Dr Spaceman · Mon 11 Jul 2011 10:59pm

ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html

The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1103400Post **MCG-Unit** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:04pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html
The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).

Maybe, but they also did one of the worse deals ever - giving up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to the Swans for picks 39 46 & 70

Junction Oval · Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:11pm

You would think that the Coaches would insist on only taking "well skilled kickers" of the ball !

Why it has taken until now for this to become an "issue," belies belief

stinger · Post: # 1103405Post **stinger** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:11pm

MCG-Unit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html
The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).
Maybe, but they also did one of the worst deals ever - giving up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to the Swans for picks 39. 46 & 70

they needed the salary cap...for burgoyne

Junction Oval · Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:17pm

You may be close to the mark Stinger. I know of one Club that could not play a young guy because he was at a point that his salary would increase substantially (bonus payments), and they could not afford to pay him! He missed quite a number of games because of it.

We don't know what goes on behind closed doors!

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1103415Post **MCG-Unit** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:28pm

stinger wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html
The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).
Maybe, but they also did one of the worst deals ever - giving up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to the Swans for picks 39. 46 & 70
they needed the salary cap...for burgoyne

Well there you go, I thought it was because they couldn't get a regular game in the bigtime Hawker midfield.
Anyway I would rather Kennedy on his own than Burgoyne - let alone McGlynn as well

stinger · Post: # 1103418Post **stinger** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:33pm

MCG-Unit wrote:
stinger wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html
The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).
Maybe, but they also did one of the worst deals ever - giving up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to the Swans for picks 39. 46 & 70
they needed the salary cap...for burgoyne
Well there you go, I thought it was because they couldn't get a regular game in the bigtime Hawker midfield.
Anyway I would rather Kennedy on his own than Burgoyne - let alone McGlynn as well

i have heard the chief say that they wanted to keep them but couldn't match the swans offers....

Dr Spaceman · Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:37pm

stinger wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:
stinger wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html
The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).
Maybe, but they also did one of the worst deals ever - giving up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to the Swans for picks 39. 46 & 70 Â :shock:
they needed the salary cap...for burgoyne
Well there you go, I thought it was because they couldn't get a regular game in the bigtime Hawker midfield.
Anyway I would rather Kennedy on his own than Burgoyne - let alone McGlynn as well Â :shock:

i have heard the chief say that they wanted to keep them but couldn't match the swans offers....

Anyway, my point was that clubs do seem willing to trade with Pelchen.

Whether the Hawks won or lost on those trades is a different issue.

Junction Oval · Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:41pm

Let's have a chat to him, I say. The Club will know what his reputation is.

stkildathunda · Tue 12 Jul 2011 12:00am

stinger wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:
stinger wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html
The Hawks seem to have landed the deals they wanted (Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale etc).
Maybe, but they also did one of the worst deals ever - giving up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to the Swans for picks 39. 46 & 70
they needed the salary cap...for burgoyne
Well there you go, I thought it was because they couldn't get a regular game in the bigtime Hawker midfield.
Anyway I would rather Kennedy on his own than Burgoyne - let alone McGlynn as well

i have heard the chief say that they wanted to keep them but couldn't match the swans offers....

They were kinda recruited Mumford style. Something we should seriously think about doing with some young kids.

Con Gorozidis · Tue 12 Jul 2011 2:06am

ausfatcat wrote:Pelchen has a good rep for building the Hawks list. (warranted or not)

But also has a bad rep for bad trades and being dishonest with other clubs (warranted or not)

personally he wont be a good fit for the saints as no other clubs seem to want have anything to do with in regards to trades ect. And his recruiting at the hawks was not just him and wasn't so great.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 1fl53.html

does anyone have a good rep for dealing with anyone? trade week is a joke. so cant hang a bloke based on trade week.

BigMart · Post: # 1103445Post **BigMart** » Tue 12 Jul 2011 2:21am

I know one trade week that was a joke....

Whilst he was busy grabbing burgoyne, guess what we were f***ing up

Seriously, can he be any worse??

And dont try and defend our recruiting team at the time, there gone, we sacked them for that very reason.....

Pelchin has a history of landing big fish.....we want on apparantly, maybe he was talking about hawthorns list, and who to steal??

Johnny Member · Tue 12 Jul 2011 9:20am

BigMart wrote: Pelchin has a history of landing big fish.....we want on apparantly, maybe he was talking about hawthorns list, and who to steal??

It's an interesting time, isn't it.

Land a big fish, it will cost us.

Will we swap draft picks to get it? If so, where do we get those picks from?

If we swap draft picks, we're clearly saying 'we're still a chance to win the flag now'.

If the 'big fish' is over the age of 25, we're clearly saying 'we're still a chance to win the flag now'.

If we swap good players for the big fish, what are we saying then?

Either way, we're going to have to lose big names.

We won't have the cash to pay a big fish unless we do. We won't have the draft picks to trade unless we swap good players for them.

I still look back and wonder why we weren't more determined to add to the top half of our list when Lyon came on board.
He seemed (from his actions) very clear that he was happy with the list, and all it needed was to bump up the 'bottom 6'.

Since we snared Gehrig and Hamill, over 2 coaches and a couple of Football Managers, the club has appeared content with the 'top 6' at the club, and has made no effort to get in a 'big fish'.

Interesting times.

InkerSaint · Tue 12 Jul 2011 10:01am

Johnny Member wrote:Either way, we're going to have to lose big names.

We won't have the cash to pay a big fish unless we do. We won't have the draft picks to trade unless we swap good players for them.

Ross has said he has some money to throw around. One former recruit whose payout is counted in this year's salary cap, one veteran about to retire and another player on a top-end salary eligible for the veteran's list... that covers the cash equation at least.