Armitage is a long way off it.
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Armitage is a long way off it.
Had one clearance. He's a hard nut, but he is a long, long way off being a no.1 mid. And he doesn't run and create, he needs to get on his bike if he's not winning the hard ball. The ball is in your court Dave, 12 weeks to go, step up and stop putting in these stinkers.
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''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
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Interesting perspective, and I don't totally disagree.jonesy wrote:He's just a player.
Was born 15 years to late. Would of been good in the 80s/90's
Is he a bit like Brock McLean, one-paced and not creative enough?
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''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
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No, he doesn't win enough of it and has played some pretty average games.suss wrote:You can't look at one game against the best team in the league and say 'he's a long way of it'. He's had a good year and will feature heavily in the b&f votes. He certainly wasn't our best player tonight but he certainly wasn't our worst either.
Good v Richmond, Adelaide, Freo
Poor v Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Collingwood
Average v Lions, Melbourne
Geelong doesn't count as he played forward
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
Again, the bias for midfielders has been confirmed. We are one of the bottom 2-3 clearance teams in the league. He is our leading inside midfielder.saintbob wrote:Very, Very harsh he has been one of our best over the last 4-5 weeks.
Seemed to spend a lot more time in the forward line tonight, maybe he's a little bit sore.
Yet people continue to heap massive praise on him after 20 touch, 3 clearance 5 tackle games (just as an example). He is plugging away, and it's not for want of effort, but he is off the pace at the moment when you look at inside mids across the league.
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
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Agree.dcstkfc wrote:Again, the bias for midfielders has been confirmed. We are one of the bottom 2-3 clearance teams in the league. He is our leading inside midfielder.saintbob wrote:Very, Very harsh he has been one of our best over the last 4-5 weeks.
Seemed to spend a lot more time in the forward line tonight, maybe he's a little bit sore.
Yet people continue to heap massive praise on him after 20 touch, 3 clearance 5 tackle games (just as an example). He is plugging away, and it's not for want of effort, but he is off the pace at the moment when you look at inside mids across the league.
People overate our average/young players games.
Armo's the type of footballer you'd want to make it,but at the moment I just see a borderline player who holds his place in a poor side,but not in a top 8 side
Bring back the Lockett era
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Dunno but I reckon the boss would be happy if armo got 20 touches, 3 clearances and 5 tackles each week. He's still only played 38 games and is roving to a very junior ruck man.dcstkfc wrote:Again, the bias for midfielders has been confirmed. We are one of the bottom 2-3 clearance teams in the league. He is our leading inside midfielder.saintbob wrote:Very, Very harsh he has been one of our best over the last 4-5 weeks.
Seemed to spend a lot more time in the forward line tonight, maybe he's a little bit sore.
Yet people continue to heap massive praise on him after 20 touch, 3 clearance 5 tackle games (just as an example). He is plugging away, and it's not for want of effort, but he is off the pace at the moment when you look at inside mids across the league.
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Umm, Wood had 40 hitouts, McEvoy had 30, not big enough a difference to say we were without a ruckman this game.Teflon wrote:Threads a tad harsh.
The kid has been doing a great job replacing Hayes.....not an easy gig.....WITHOUT a ruckman...and little inside help.
Not to mention McEvoy was our 5th highest disposal getter
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Yes, but am I only referring to this game when I say Armos been good and have we broken even in most games ruck wise this year?noreason41 wrote:Umm, Wood had 40 hitouts, McEvoy had 30, not big enough a difference to say we were without a ruckman this game.Teflon wrote:Threads a tad harsh.
The kid has been doing a great job replacing Hayes.....not an easy gig.....WITHOUT a ruckman...and little inside help.
Not to mention McEvoy was our 5th highest disposal getter
Bens great round the ground. The problem is his tap work aint flash and youngmids like Armo could probably benefit from that....
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Re: Armitage is a long way off it.
Pretty hard to get clearances when you spend almost the whole night in the forward 50!dcstkfc wrote:Had one clearance. He's a hard nut, but he is a long, long way off being a no.1 mid. And he doesn't run and create, he needs to get on his bike if he's not winning the hard ball. The ball is in your court Dave, 12 weeks to go, step up and stop putting in these stinkers.
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Collingwood has had Jolly missing for most of the year...Teflon wrote:Yes, but am I only referring to this game when I say Armos been good and have we broken even in most games ruck wise this year?noreason41 wrote:Umm, Wood had 40 hitouts, McEvoy had 30, not big enough a difference to say we were without a ruckman this game.Teflon wrote:Threads a tad harsh.
The kid has been doing a great job replacing Hayes.....not an easy gig.....WITHOUT a ruckman...and little inside help.
Not to mention McEvoy was our 5th highest disposal getter
Bens great round the ground. The problem is his tap work aint flash and youngmids like Armo could probably benefit from that....
they are 15th for hitouts (note that Geelong is 12th, Hawthorn is 11th and we are 10th) -
How have they been going losing most of the hitouts??
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WELL this entire thread makes me sick - Armo might be a great guy - but if he wanted to show ANYTHING - today was the day and he did NOT!
But he was not alone.
What does this mean? A long time waiting I guess - SADLY. ...
But he was not alone.
What does this mean? A long time waiting I guess - SADLY. ...
This is a team game and there is no room for individuals who think they are above walking through the fire.
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I'm not sure why Armo spent so much time forward. Then again, I'm not sure why we keep persisting with playing in and under mids in the forward line. It only worked in 2009 when we were clobbering teams. Now that we're not winning out of the centre, those players are just disappearing. It's not just Armo tonight. Steven wasn't doing much before he was thrown into the middle. The same holds true of just about anyone we've stationed in forward 50 this year.
Considering we just played the benchmark team, it's hard not to look at what they do with a bit of envy. They rotate huge numbers through the middle and the bench. The only permanent forwards are the big guys. It's a really stark contrast to us. We had two taggers in the middle for most of the game and they went with ball-winners. It comes as no surprise to me that they won out of that.
Armo's a ball winner. You either play him in the centre or you don't play him at all. Tonight we had him spectating from the forward line again. I don't know how many times Ross needs to see that guys like Armo, Eddy, Mini aren't permanent forwards. I doubt Cripps or Ledger will be either. It strikes me that only truly exceptional players make it as forwards. Ross keeps trying to send grunts down there to do it.
Considering we just played the benchmark team, it's hard not to look at what they do with a bit of envy. They rotate huge numbers through the middle and the bench. The only permanent forwards are the big guys. It's a really stark contrast to us. We had two taggers in the middle for most of the game and they went with ball-winners. It comes as no surprise to me that they won out of that.
Armo's a ball winner. You either play him in the centre or you don't play him at all. Tonight we had him spectating from the forward line again. I don't know how many times Ross needs to see that guys like Armo, Eddy, Mini aren't permanent forwards. I doubt Cripps or Ledger will be either. It strikes me that only truly exceptional players make it as forwards. Ross keeps trying to send grunts down there to do it.
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Re: Armitage is a long way off it.
How much did he play in the forward 50? I really am struggling to remember.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:Pretty hard to get clearances when you spend almost the whole night in the forward 50!dcstkfc wrote:Had one clearance. He's a hard nut, but he is a long, long way off being a no.1 mid. And he doesn't run and create, he needs to get on his bike if he's not winning the hard ball. The ball is in your court Dave, 12 weeks to go, step up and stop putting in these stinkers.
I'll happily retract some of my statement if I can get this backed up with numbers.
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs