luke ball

[MC Gusto]

hate to dwell on it but the nonsense by our club in that whole exchange cost us a flag

[Cairnsman]

hate to dwell on it but the nonsense by our club in that whole exchange cost us a flag

the one he played in or the one he didn't play in?

[borderbarry]

I thought he played quite well against Geelong, but had limited game time remember.

[MC Gusto]

my comment is more around a) breaking up the group...club cant be blamed for that he made the decision (although he wasn't Ross' favourite player) and b) then not getting anything for him.

Absolute stupidity

[stinger]

we broke up the group alright....from that bumper crop we actually gave away for vitually nothing, ball, x and goose.....and with it our future....

[SydneySainter]

my comment is more around a) breaking up the group...club cant be blamed for that he made the decision (although he wasn't Ross' favourite player) and b) then not getting anything for him.

Absolute stupidity

Our list may have been better off or just as bad had we had taken Wellingham / pick 30 or just pick 25. Initially Bomber fans were laughing at that they got pick 16 for Lovett, though they may as well have gotten nothing by the way Williams has approached his footy.

I think Ball walking in general has cost us big, more than the fact that we got nothing for him.

[Johnny Member]

I think Ball walking in general has cost us big, more than the fact that we got nothing for him.

The most telling thing was not that he went, it's that he went to Collingwood.

He's made a huge difference to them.

[Thinline]

He didn't want to play at St Kilda.

It's a pointless argument/hypothesis.

[patto]

For gods sake get over Luke Ball.. Hes long gone and not a Saint!!

[Middo]

hate to dwell on it but the nonsense by our club in that whole exchange cost us a flag

Hate to dwell on it.... ? why bring it back up it was over last season.!!

[Animal Enclosure]

my comment is more around a) breaking up the group...club cant be blamed for that he made the decision (although he wasn't Ross' favourite player) and b) then not getting anything for him.

Absolute stupidity

Our list may have been better off or just as bad had we had taken Wellingham / pick 30 or just pick 25. Initially Bomber fans were laughing at that they got pick 16 for Lovett, though they may as well have gotten nothing by the way Williams has approached his footy.

I think Ball walking in general has cost us big, more than the fact that we got nothing for him.

From my memory Essendon fans were dirty that they had given up Lovett for only pick 16!

Ball did cost us but there is fault in both camps IMO. Ross devalued a favorite son. Luke took the easy option. Case closed. A very painful case mind you.

[older saint]

Get over it, crickey Ian Stewart screwed us when he went to richmond and won a flag there , still sweating on that!

[meher baba]

Get over it? Sure, but all of you need to get over whinging about our window closing, if only we'd won a flag in the last 2 years, etc.

Would we have won the 2009 GF if Ball had been given more time in the second half?

Would we have won the first GF last year if Ball had been playing for us instead of our opponents?

Couldn't we do with him right now when we can't win a clearance to save our lives? Would the fact that he "can't kick over a jam tin" and "isn't mobile enough to defend space" matter diddly squat if we could have him back right now to play in the middle?

Could we have kept him if we'd been prepared to offer him just a few of the massive $$$ we wasted on Lovett? And if Lyon had been prepared to eat a bit of humble pie and admit he mad a mistake not using him in the second half of the GF?

Most of you, I think, know the true answers to these questions. Not doing enough to stop Ball from going, and putting so many eggs in the Lovett basket, It was one of the most disastrous and unnecessary decisions ever made by our club.

If you don't agree with me, try asking any neutral supporter what they think about it.

[Middo]

Get over it? Sure, but all of you need to get over whinging about our window closing, if only we'd won a flag in the last 2 years, etc.

Would we have won the 2009 GF if Ball had been given more time in the second half?

Would we have won the first GF last year if Ball had been playing for us instead of our opponents?

Couldn't we do with him right now when we can't win a clearance to save our lives? Would the fact that he "can't kick over a jam tin" and "isn't mobile enough to defend space" matter diddly squat if we could have him back right now to play in the middle?

Could we have kept him if we'd been prepared to offer him just a few of the massive $$$ we wasted on Lovett? And if Lyon ha and prepared to eat a bit of humble pie and admit he mad a mistake not using him in the second half of the GF?

Most of you, I think, know the true answers to these questions. Not doing enough to stop Ball from going, and putting so many eggs in the Lovett basket, It was one of the most disastrous and unnecessary decisions ever made by our club.

If you don't agree with me, try asking any neutral supporter what they think about it.

A lot of could have's there but if Lovett had kept his head screwed on , I reckon we would have had more of a chance and won in 2010 than if Luke Ball was playing with us. Asking neutral supporters about Luke Ball they laughed that he couldn't kick and reckon Lovett was the answer but thats all good in hindsight and we will never know except I would rather see some new talent in the middle than worrying about someone that left 18 months ago and didn't want to stay for the right reasons. Our future is now with some new blood and not Luke Ball.

[Sainternist]

He didn't want to play at St Kilda.

It's a pointless argument/hypothesis.

precisely!

it is, more or less, self-flagellation to be dwelling over this topic.

anyway, his heart wasn't for the st.kilda football club. if he was a selfless player, he would have stayed. remember, players like harvey, leowe and burke remained when the chips were down. they were heart and soul players. in the end, luke ball was just in it for himself. good riddance!

[SydneySainter]

Get over it? Sure, but all of you need to get over whinging about our window closing, if only we'd won a flag in the last 2 years, etc.

Would we have won the 2009 GF if Ball had been given more time in the second half?

Would we have won the first GF last year if Ball had been playing for us instead of our opponents?

Couldn't we do with him right now when we can't win a clearance to save our lives? Would the fact that he "can't kick over a jam tin" and "isn't mobile enough to defend space" matter diddly squat if we could have him back right now to play in the middle?

Could we have kept him if we'd been prepared to offer him just a few of the massive $$$ we wasted on Lovett? And if Lyon had been prepared to eat a bit of humble pie and admit he mad a mistake not using him in the second half of the GF?

Most of you, I think, know the true answers to these questions. Not doing enough to stop Ball from going, and putting so many eggs in the Lovett basket, It was one of the most disastrous and unnecessary decisions ever made by our club.

If you don't agree with me, try asking any neutral supporter what they think about it.

So if the majority of neutral supporters agree with you, you must be right?

I'm not saying I disagree with a lot of what ur saying, but before the whole ball fiasco started, most neutral supporters didn't even rate ball. 'Injury prone, busted groin, too slow, can't kick goals' over-rated' was what they told me. We're they right then?

[The Fireman]

will be rembered unfondly by most Saint fans.

[Thinline]

Most of you, I think, know the true answers to these questions. Not doing enough to stop Ball from going, and putting so many eggs in the Lovett basket, It was one of the most disastrous and unnecessary decisions ever made by our club.
.

I don't. Neither do you. Unless you are Luke Ball, Ross Lyon, Paul Connors or whoever runs the player shop at Collingwood.

[SainterK]

Only problem with this thread, is overlooks that fact he wanted (wants) to wear the jumper without the red.

[stinger]

Only problem with this thread, is overlooks that fact he wanted (wants) to wear the jumper without the red.

only after the coach wouldn't play him and the club tried to trade him to the roos...

[saintsRrising]

What the Saints do not lack is slow players with poor footskills.

We also have some quick players with poor ball skills.

What we need are some quick mids with good ball skills..

..or at least some slow mids with good footskills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at Bakes...good defensively still...but slow and cannot dispose of the ball.

[SainterK]

Only problem with this thread, is overlooks that fact he wanted (wants) to wear the jumper without the red.

only after the coach wouldn't play him and the club tried to trade him to the roos...

Tired old argument.

Coach is well within his rights to drop someone.

I don't particularly care who they are.

Coach is well within his rights to ask players to improve.

Again, I don't particularly care who they are.

[MCG-Unit]

Most of you, I think, know the true answers to these questions. Not doing enough to stop Ball from going, and putting so many eggs in the Lovett basket, It was one of the most disastrous and unnecessary decisions ever made by our club.
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I don't. Neither do you. Unless you are Luke Ball, Ross Lyon, Paul Connors or whoever runs the player shop at Collingwood.

You're right, we don't know we can only speculate. Yet there's folks come on here quoting supposed trades that were offered and salary structures in this whole mess.
And their source? '...it was widely reported'

[3rd generation saint]

As I've said over and over again, did anyone here really expect Ball to still be there in the draft at pick 30?
Most of us we're expecting him in a Melbourne or Richmond jumper.
But of course Eddie had nothing to do with him being left alone for such a long time.

[asiu]

imo , no ball to collingwood , no grandfinal gameplan for them.

give the enemy our flag.


thats how i'm gunna remember it.



max and luke ... ere ya go.


yea , good move .