Chris Knights two Gifts

[CURLY]

Taking control of the game Goddard takes a mark.... but no free to Knights 15 out and goal. Crows back to nine up.

Loose ball Knights goes to ground Jones comes in whistle blows free and goal.

Both not there both game changing. Dont even mention the umps nothing in it call when Tambling decked Sneider.

And how the hell did Roo get knocked out? Anyone?

[saintsRrising]

And how the hell did Roo get knocked out? Anyone?

He ran into a shoulder. Nothing much in it.

[kosifantutti23]

They also got a goal when Gram was hit high. It will be looked at by the MRP but would have been hard to spot on the night.

The free against Jones was there but was very soft. The one against Goddard was incredibly bad.

[matrix]

we had the earpiece in at the ground and roo (mark roo that is ) was on the radio and he was laughing at 4 free kicks that the crows got and that saints got robbed on

he was right.

last time i heard the free kick count it was 19 to 13 (in our favor) , but streuth he was right, some soft decisions

doesnt excuse the performance tho
whatever was said at half time (that ended up costing 5 grand for being out late after the second siren), should be said every week, as we came out and had a fair crack.

[MCG-Unit]

Yes those 2 free kicks in front of goal to Knights - in a 3 goal result
One to the R of screen for an incidental soft side bump, totally a howler

And to L of screen, when the tackle had virtually finished and a Saint's shoulder just lent on Knight's head. Soft as

[AdelaideSainter]

The decision against Goddard just after half time would be a contender for the worst I've ever seen. Simply dreadful. It was at the end I was watching from, and I really couldn't believe it. Neither could the Adelaide fans...

[CURLY]

And how the hell did Roo get knocked out? Anyone?

He ran into a shoulder. Nothing much in it.

I was being sarcastic. Right in front of the umpire he was hit high and no free. What was the ump watching?

[Johnny Member]

As is the norm whenever McBurney is involved, there is almost a whistle blown at every single contest!

They were horrible both ways last night. We certainly didn't get a bad run (in terms of bias) in my opinion - but gee was it over-umpired!

McBurney surely must be the worst getting around. He's been shocking for some time now.
He's way too technical and seems to have an uncontrollable urge to blow his whistle at every contest!

Drives me mad watching a game when he's umpiring.

[bergholt]

And how the hell did Roo get knocked out? Anyone?

He ran into a shoulder. Nothing much in it.

I was being sarcastic. Right in front of the umpire he was hit high and no free. What was the ump watching?

if anything he head-butted johncock in the shoulder. nothing in it.

the bigger question is why he was leading to the boundary just fifteen metres away from jack steven in the first place. wtf was he going to do if he got the ball there?

[Johnny Member]

if anything he head-butted johncock in the shoulder. nothing in it.

Doesn't matter how it happened and whether it was accidental or not.

You can't get a bloke high unless he purposely ducks his head. We all know that!


It's was clearly a free kick that was incorrectly not paid.

[meher baba]

if anything he head-butted johncock in the shoulder. nothing in it.

Doesn't matter how it happened and whether it was accidental or not.

You can't get a bloke high unless he purposely ducks his head. We all know that!


It's was clearly a free kick that was incorrectly not paid.

Rubbish. If the situation had been reversed and the Crows had received a match-winning free after such an incident, there would be howls of outrage on here. Riewoldt stumbled forward and his chin slammed into Johncock's shoulder. What was Johncock meant to do about it?

The free played on BJ was soft, but we got a few softees like that one too. The inconsistency this year on ruling what is/isn't a legitimate bump tk manouevre your opponent away from the ball is worse than ever.

The free played on CJ was totally there IMO. If you are running for a ball and your opponent gets right in front of you and then you dive forward and make contact, it is always going to end up in a free to them for in the back. Every single time. Then you can whinge about it all you like and all that's going to happen is that the ump will give 50 against you.

I'm sure I'm right because Robert Walls said they shouldn't played the free against CJ and he's wrong all the time.

The free on CJ happened at a critical time and, like all of you, I wish it hadn't been paid. But it was.

[Johnny Member]

if anything he head-butted johncock in the shoulder. nothing in it.

Doesn't matter how it happened and whether it was accidental or not.

You can't get a bloke high unless he purposely ducks his head. We all know that!


It's was clearly a free kick that was incorrectly not paid.

Rubbish. If the situation had been reversed and the Crows had received a match-winning free after such an incident, there would be howls of outrage on here. Riewoldt stumbled forward and his chin slammed into Johncock's shoulder. What was Johncock meant to do about it?

I don't care whether there'd be uproar on here or not - you cannot get a guy in the head.

It's the players' responsiblity to avoid the head. He of course won't get reported for it because it wasn't intentional, reckless etc. etc. but that does not change the fact that it was head high contact.

It's a free kick any day of the week.

We all know that by now.

The free played on CJ was totally there IMO. If you are running for a ball and your opponent gets right in front of you and then you dive forward and make contact, it is always going to end up in a free to them for in the back. Every single time. Then you can whinge about it all you like and all that's going to happen is that the ump will give 50 against you.

It was paid as 'too high', not 'in the back'.

As the umpire said at the time 'you got him high, so it's a free kick'.

Ditto the Roo one. Doesn't matter how it happens, doesn't even matter if it's incidental contact - it's always a free kick if you get someone high.

[Moods]

if anything he head-butted johncock in the shoulder. nothing in it.

Doesn't matter how it happened and whether it was accidental or not.

You can't get a bloke high unless he purposely ducks his head. We all know that!


It's was clearly a free kick that was incorrectly not paid.

Rubbish. If the situation had been reversed and the Crows had received a match-winning free after such an incident, there would be howls of outrage on here. Riewoldt stumbled forward and his chin slammed into Johncock's shoulder. What was Johncock meant to do about it?

I don't care whether there'd be uproar on here or not - you cannot get a guy in the head.

It's the players' responsiblity to avoid the head. He of course won't get reported for it because it wasn't intentional, reckless etc. etc. but that does not change the fact that it was head high contact.

It's a free kick any day of the week.

We all know that by now.

The free played on CJ was totally there IMO. If you are running for a ball and your opponent gets right in front of you and then you dive forward and make contact, it is always going to end up in a free to them for in the back. Every single time. Then you can whinge about it all you like and all that's going to happen is that the ump will give 50 against you.

It was paid as 'too high', not 'in the back'.

As the umpire said at the time 'you got him high, so it's a free kick'.

Ditto the Roo one. Doesn't matter how it happens, doesn't even matter if it's incidental contact - it's always a free kick if you get someone high.

Crap - some umpy's pay it b/c they have no understanding of the rule. A player that charges head on into an opposition player with his head does not automatically mean a free kick should be paid. I've seen numerous incidences lately where the umpy's have called play on, and many of them are now starting to get a grasp of what the spirit of the rule is.

AS for Roo - why would we even be debating it. Johncock was standing still and roo caught him flush on the shoulder. No free kick, and would have been the worst decision of the night if he had paid that.

[Spinner]

if anything he head-butted johncock in the shoulder. nothing in it.

Doesn't matter how it happened and whether it was accidental or not.

You can't get a bloke high unless he purposely ducks his head. We all know that!


It's was clearly a free kick that was incorrectly not paid.

Rubbish. If the situation had been reversed and the Crows had received a match-winning free after such an incident, there would be howls of outrage on here. Riewoldt stumbled forward and his chin slammed into Johncock's shoulder. What was Johncock meant to do about it?

I don't care whether there'd be uproar on here or not - you cannot get a guy in the head.

It's the players' responsiblity to avoid the head. He of course won't get reported for it because it wasn't intentional, reckless etc. etc. but that does not change the fact that it was head high contact.

It's a free kick any day of the week.

We all know that by now.

The free played on CJ was totally there IMO. If you are running for a ball and your opponent gets right in front of you and then you dive forward and make contact, it is always going to end up in a free to them for in the back. Every single time. Then you can whinge about it all you like and all that's going to happen is that the ump will give 50 against you.

It was paid as 'too high', not 'in the back'.

As the umpire said at the time 'you got him high, so it's a free kick'.

Ditto the Roo one. Doesn't matter how it happens, doesn't even matter if it's incidental contact - it's always a free kick if you get someone high.

No even close to being a free kick. Riewoldt ran into him.

[Enrico_Misso]

Saw half a dozen kicks or handballs to the boundary line last night.

ALL much more worthy of a free than Joey's.
But only two paid.

So much for Geishan's interpretations.

[borderbarry]

I had a good look at the Roo incident. Johncock lowered his shoulder to Roos head height. It was deliberate.

[Mr Magic]

I thought at the time that Johncock moved ever so slightly just before the contact, bringing his shoulder towards Roo. It may have been a purely 'defensive reflex' on his part?
Having just seen it on replay again, I have no doubt that Johncock certainly twisted his body so that Roo made contact with the point of his shoulder rather than the collarbone. It seemed to be a 'bracing' position taken up in the split second that Johncock became aware that Roo was going to contact him.

If Johncock had been moving rather than stationary then I have no doubt it would have been a reportable offence, dur to the 'head contact' in a bumping situation.
Because he was stationary I have no doubt it was not.

[wallbanger]

If you watch the replay closely, Johncock clearly turns his shoulder into Roo, and it collects his head - the vision CLEARLY shows that, there is no doubt or argument about it. Whether the match review panel or anyone else preceives that as a deliberate act or one of self-preservation remains to be seen.

[SaintDippa]

Accident or not, Johncock is in a little trouble. Negligent - tick. High Contact - Tick. Impact High - Tick. Duty of care is with the tackler not to make head high contact. Stiff (sic) yes. But he did turn his shoulder to protect himself from the impact. Not sure his record but I'll go with 2 weeks.

[gringo]

The umpires just need to get taught the impact of decisions when given in front of goal. In close games it can mean everything when a soft free is played in front of goal. They need to be instructed to only pay frees when obviously there, otherwise let it play on. as for the Tambling hit on Schnides, that's a corruption of the rules when an umpire blatantly persecutes a player because of clapping a decision two seasons ago. The AFL should have asked the umpires to grow up about it ages ago. No one can tell me that when a guy goes down from a hit to the head in front of an umpire, that it is nothing. Maybe why he couldn't balance his kicks all night from a guy who is usually very accurate.

[ando051]

If you watch the replay closely, Johncock clearly turns his shoulder into Roo, and it collects his head - the vision CLEARLY shows that, there is no doubt or argument about it. Whether the match review panel or anyone else preceives that as a deliberate act or one of self-preservation remains to be seen.

A player also has a right to protect himself, like the Ray - Selwood incident Farren turned his body to protect himself. No free kick imo. The only person that will have a issue is Tampling hit on Snider Man, or Zac's dumb punch at the start of the game

[gringo]

What s***s me about Roo getting hit to the head is that it is no free kick because it is accidental. Bakes jumps over an opponent and brushes the top of his head and it is a free kick 30 out in front.

[SaintDippa]

"Ray - Selwood incident Farren turned his body to protect himself." Only difference Roo did not duck his head into the contact to try and draw a free.

[Eastern]

And how the hell did Roo get knocked out? Anyone?

He ran into a shoulder. Nothing much in it.

Yep, there were 4 incidents for the MRP to look at. This wasn't one of them !!

[meher baba]

The umpires just need to get taught the impact of decisions when given in front of goal. In close games it can mean everything when a soft free is played in front of goal. They need to be instructed to only pay frees when obviously there, otherwise let it play on. as for the Tambling hit on Schnides, that's a corruption of the rules when an umpire blatantly persecutes a player because of clapping a decision two seasons ago. The AFL should have asked the umpires to grow up about it ages ago. No one can tell me that when a guy goes down from a hit to the head in front of an umpire, that it is nothing. Maybe why he couldn't balance his kicks all night from a guy who is usually very accurate.

Schneider's reputation as a stager for free kicks goes way back to his time at Sydney. Like Milne, he's suffering the inevitable fate of the boy who cried wolf. It happened to Lloyd eventually: it happens to all of them eventually.

Riewoldt has never staged for frees and he keeps getting them.