Dont drop ARMO if performance waivers a bit.
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Dont drop ARMO if performance waivers a bit.
Armo is stuck between a rock and a hard place.If he doesnt get over 22 touches a week a lot of people say drop him.
Now that lenny is out we need just to play him as he will get better and show what he is capable of with constiance in selection.
He has show a fair bit and i suspect he will get better if left to get confidence in our side and not in and out all the time.
I know it was due to injury last year and the year before.
I get really p""""offed when they drop a young player for playing 1 bad game.Then give a older player time when he makes the same funbamental mistakes.
The young player will learn and get better the older player will keep making the mistakes and get older and slower i know which one i would invest in??????????????????????????????????
Now that lenny is out we need just to play him as he will get better and show what he is capable of with constiance in selection.
He has show a fair bit and i suspect he will get better if left to get confidence in our side and not in and out all the time.
I know it was due to injury last year and the year before.
I get really p""""offed when they drop a young player for playing 1 bad game.Then give a older player time when he makes the same funbamental mistakes.
The young player will learn and get better the older player will keep making the mistakes and get older and slower i know which one i would invest in??????????????????????????????????
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Re: Dont drop ARMO if performance waivers a bit.
Agree, but I think you'll find he's pretty safe unless his form really drops off.saint58 wrote:Armo is stuck between a rock and a hard place.If he doesnt get over 22 touches a week a lot of people say drop him.
Now that lenny is out we need just to play him as he will get better and show what he is capable of with constiance in selection.
He has show a fair bit and i suspect he will get better if left to get confidence in our side and not in and out all the time.
I know it was due to injury last year and the year before.
I get really p""""offed when they drop a young player for playing 1 bad game.Then give a older player time when he makes the same funbamental mistakes.
The young player will learn and get better the older player will keep making the mistakes and get older and slower i know which one i would invest in??????????????????????????????????
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This perception that Armo is dropped as soon as he plays ONE bad game is crap as afar as I'm concerned. he played numerous bad games in a row last year before being dropped.
Saints aren't a chariety case. No-one says he has to be in the best 5 each week. He just has to keep contributing. So far this year he's doing that. When he was dropped last year he had stopped doing that I reckon.
Saints aren't a chariety case. No-one says he has to be in the best 5 each week. He just has to keep contributing. So far this year he's doing that. When he was dropped last year he had stopped doing that I reckon.
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I diasgree. I don't think it's as clear cut as that.plugger66 wrote:Please drop him and anyone else that doesnt deserve a game. This rubbish of saying they should play 5 in a row or whatever is exactly that, rubbish.
Tarkyn Lockyer and a couple of guys at Collingwood probably 'deserved' a game more than some of the young blokes.
But it doesn't make sense to keep playing guys that aren't going to be around in the next year or so, just because they deserve it.
Sometimes you need to plan for what your next serious team will look like. So if a guy like Armitage or Stanley are part of your vision for the future, you may as well play them and have them as 50 gamers in 2 years when you're a challenger, instead of having them as 10 gamers and still green whilst you've pumped an extra 40 games into a bloke who's no longer at the club.
The risk of course, is that you create a culture where a bloke gets a game without putting in the effort.
So we should also have Archer in the side because he was dropped after only one game. May be a little top heavy if Archer, Stanley, Ben and Kosi play. There are sometimes reasons why guys cant play more than 1 or 2 in a row. Pick people on form and if it is close go for the younger guy if the finals look doubtful.Johnny Member wrote:I diasgree. I don't think it's as clear cut as that.plugger66 wrote:Please drop him and anyone else that doesnt deserve a game. This rubbish of saying they should play 5 in a row or whatever is exactly that, rubbish.
Tarkyn Lockyer and a couple of guys at Collingwood probably 'deserved' a game more than some of the young blokes.
But it doesn't make sense to keep playing guys that aren't going to be around in the next year or so, just because they deserve it.
Sometimes you need to plan for what your next serious team will look like. So if a guy like Armitage or Stanley are part of your vision for the future, you may as well play them and have them as 50 gamers in 2 years when you're a challenger, instead of having them as 10 gamers and still green whilst you've pumped an extra 40 games into a bloke who's no longer at the club.
The risk of course, is that you create a culture where a bloke gets a game without putting in the effort.
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I think the heading on this thread SHOULD read;
Don't drop Armo if he doesn't deserve to be dropped but;
By all means drop him if he deosn't deserve a spot in the side !!
Don't drop Armo if he doesn't deserve to be dropped but;
By all means drop him if he deosn't deserve a spot in the side !!
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Yeah, I agree with that.plugger66 wrote: So we should also have Archer in the side because he was dropped after only one game. May be a little top heavy if Archer, Stanley, Ben and Kosi play. There are sometimes reasons why guys cant play more than 1 or 2 in a row. Pick people on form and if it is close go for the younger guy if the finals look doubtful.
I don't think it's clear cut either way.
Purely playing guys because they deserve it, is short sighted and can hurt your medium to long term future.
However playing every young guy every week just because they're young will definitely hurt you short term and may actually stifle their development. If they're getting rolled every week and don't have experienced guys around them to learn from, it can make it hard for them to develop.
It's hard to guage with Rossy though. The things he wants from players, and the things that constitute 'earning' a game, are things that are generally very difficult for immature bodies and minds to do every week.
Due to this, it's hard to include too many of these young guys in the team at one time.
So much of our game plan relies on strict discipline, hard running and strong bodies.
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What did he do pre season? The KD stuff was 12 months ago!Megsie wrote:armo is a good player in average team.
Will never & cannot ever be compared to "Lenny"
His pre-season antics prove he's average.
And I don't think even his greatest fan would be comparing him to Lenny. It's simply being stated that Lenny's absence makes Armo's inclusion more important to our team
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"and the things that constitute 'earning' a game, are things that are generally very difficult for immature bodies and minds to do every week." Not true. Earning a game means showing you want to play when you play in the VFL.Johnny Member wrote:Yeah, I agree with that.plugger66 wrote: So we should also have Archer in the side because he was dropped after only one game. May be a little top heavy if Archer, Stanley, Ben and Kosi play. There are sometimes reasons why guys cant play more than 1 or 2 in a row. Pick people on form and if it is close go for the younger guy if the finals look doubtful.
I don't think it's clear cut either way.
Purely playing guys because they deserve it, is short sighted and can hurt your medium to long term future.
However playing every young guy every week just because they're young will definitely hurt you short term and may actually stifle their development. If they're getting rolled every week and don't have experienced guys around them to learn from, it can make it hard for them to develop.
It's hard to guage with Rossy though. The things he wants from players, and the things that constitute 'earning' a game, are things that are generally very difficult for immature bodies and minds to do every week.
Due to this, it's hard to include too many of these young guys in the team at one time.
So much of our game plan relies on strict discipline, hard running and strong bodies.
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Yeah maybe.groupie1 wrote: "and the things that constitute 'earning' a game, are things that are generally very difficult for immature bodies and minds to do every week." Not true. Earning a game means showing you want to play when you play in the VFL.
My assumption is just based on the 'honest' line that Rossy used last week.
I don't know exactly what he means, but assume it's a certain type of style in addition to what you wrote above.
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+1Moods wrote:This perception that Armo is dropped as soon as he plays ONE bad game is crap as afar as I'm concerned. he played numerous bad games in a row last year before being dropped.
Saints aren't a chariety case. No-one says he has to be in the best 5 each week. He just has to keep contributing. So far this year he's doing that. When he was dropped last year he had stopped doing that I reckon.
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armo is an adequate replacement and similar style player to luke ball. hes like for like and of similar quality. and i rate them both. hes a very good player.Dr Spaceman wrote:What did he do pre season? The KD stuff was 12 months ago!Megsie wrote:armo is a good player in average team.
Will never & cannot ever be compared to "Lenny"
His pre-season antics prove he's average.
And I don't think even his greatest fan would be comparing him to Lenny. It's simply being stated that Lenny's absence makes Armo's inclusion more important to our team
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no idea what this antics crap is? a 20 year old guy had a sex with a girl. wow big whoops!. what antics. FFS.