Time for accountability

[thejiggingsaint]

I'm saddened by the events in New Zealand. All that time, energy AND money put into "teambuilding" for WHAT? If the trip was to bond the boys and build character then the "results" are appalling. If these guys don't have the discipline and strength of character to follow team rules in the environment of a pre-season training camp, how are they going to hang tough or even follow a gameplan on matchday?
These four blokes are the tip of an iceberg. Time for the WHOLE CLUB to commit to accountability. From the playing group down to the people who man the membership desk ...and manage the "age" subscriptions (had to get THAT grizzle in )
SO disappointed in my club at this minute., but ready to back'em come round two!

[GrumpyOne]

Always a goldmine of common sense Jigster.

What bunch of blokes do we have playing in the club who can't get off the piss for one week?

We as Saints supporters happily put up with an Administration that couldn't manage a fart in a dunny.

Albeit that the players are important and need attention to play at their best, but where is the recipricol support for the poor bastard who pays his membership year after year?

Club functions are an embarrassment when compared with professional outfits like Carlton. The member is treated like an intruder into the private sanctum of admin staff and players.

I know, I've been to a few. Always leave with a sour taste in my mouth.

About time the club initiated a "Member First" policy in all things that don't relate directly to the player group.

[thejiggingsaint]

When we see blokes like "Doc" and Allan Jeans doing it tough with their health. A guy like Jack Barker who fronted up to games through good and bad times without flinching from the pain of illness, right up to the time of his death. I get SO annoyed when our coach calls for "understanding" for the "pressures" his players are under and some folks are all for "getting the guys away from the media frenzy" by taking a trip overseas. Makes me wonder just what kind of message it sends out to the players. This latest disgrace shows how far we need to go to get this club on course. Dawson should take a long hard look at himself after this affair!

[Harvey To Hayes]

Club functions are an embarrassment when compared with professional outfits like Carlton. The member is treated like an intruder into the private sanctum of admin staff and players.

I know, I've been to a few. Always leave with a sour taste in my mouth.

Barrack for Carlton then. Seriously...

This whole thing is such an overreaction. I'm disappointed that the four youngsters didn't show utmost discipline but who remembers what it was like when you were away overseas with your mates at that age? It's not a reflection on the club or the group, but the maturity of a small handful of them...

They didn't do anything majorly wrong, the whole 'sleeping pill' thing has been beaten up out of all proportion and I'm sick of people getting sucked in by idiots in the press...

[plugger66]

Club functions are an embarrassment when compared with professional outfits like Carlton. The member is treated like an intruder into the private sanctum of admin staff and players.

I know, I've been to a few. Always leave with a sour taste in my mouth.

Barrack for Carlton then. Seriously...

This whole thing is such an overreaction. I'm disappointed that the four youngsters didn't show utmost discipline but who remembers what it was like when you were away overseas with your mates at that age? It's not a reflection on the club or the group, but the maturity of a small handful of them...

They didn't do anything majorly wrong, the whole 'sleeping pill' thing has been beaten up out of all proportion and I'm sick of people getting sucked in by idiots in the press...

Yep blame the press. Unless I am missing something this isnt a trip overseas with mates. They agreed to certain things and 4 players stuffed up in less than a week. By the way the club suspended the 4 players for 6 weeks. To me that sounds pretty serious. Or did they only do it because of the press.

[SaintPav]

The media hysteria is over the top and while it doesn't seem like it, St Kilda does not have a monopoly on these issues. The sanctimonious commentary, especially by the media, is unreal. The management of 40 young men in a fragile environment is always going to be a tricky act. They’re not perfect men. They're not gods. Opposition fans that have a dig at our club and can’t see that this is a wider football issue are dumb.

The players have done the crime and will do the time. The club has done the right thing and come clean and the leadership group has imposed the maximum penalty possible. I'm a lot more concerned that this may be a wider problem and I would like to know what the club is going to do about it, especially in the light of the comments made by the ALFPA. As members, as I assume most of us are on Saintsaitional, now is the time to be asking the club some tough questions and not to be shoving the knives in or not turning up.

[Eastern]

Both Ross Lyon & Michael Nettlefold were on the front foot all day today doing lots of interviews. Not only were they both very strong on what hapened in NZ, they were both equally as strong on the inaccuracy & saensationalism that has occured in the media.

It left me feeling that our club is in pretty good hands !!

[taz]

Fair dink if one of the players forgot to wash their hands after the toilet the press would be all over it.

[plugger66]

Fair dink if one of the players forgot to wash their hands after the toilet the press would be all over it.

Yep its their fault.

[clarky449]

Fair dink if one of the players forgot to wash their hands after the toilet the press would be all over it.

Can posters just stop with the press thing. Fact is the players did something wrong, what is the press meant to write?

[Eastern]

Fair dink if one of the players forgot to wash their hands after the toilet the press would be all over it.

Can posters just stop with the press thing. Fact is the players did something wrong, what is the press meant to write?

How about the facts, ONLY the facts !!

[saintspremiers]

Both Ross Lyon & Michael Nettlefold were on the front foot all day today doing lots of interviews. Not only were they both very strong on what hapened in NZ, they were both equally as strong on the inaccuracy & saensationalism that has occured in the media.

It left me feeling that our club is in pretty good hands !!

Big friggin deal. Sounds like you believe a bit of bulls***.

Ross is full of it going all philosophical about player welfare and boredom. Pure media spin rubbish to divert the media from the real issues.

It's all just arse covering now, nothing else.

[Dr Spaceman]

I can't believe the people commenting online, or calling in saying that the Saints are soft and that the 4 players should have been sacked.

They must know a hell of a lot more about what happened in NZ than any of us do.

To my knowledge, none of these guys, including Zac, have a history of doing attrocious things. They've been fined, suspended, ordered to get jobs and do community work. IMO that seems fair punishment for breaking a curfew, having a drink and taking a few legal tablets.

This club exists to try and win games, and ultimately, premierships. You don't just go around sacking your #1 Full Back, your next potential star ruck/forward and your next potential star mid a few weeks out from the start of the season and get nothing in return. That would set the club back 5 years minimum. You don't punish the team and you don't punish the members.

The players concerned do need to pull their heads in. And there may come a time in the future when a player, regardless of his value or potential, needs to be shown the door.

This is surely not that time

[linz]

I can't believe the people commenting online, or calling in saying that the Saints are soft and that the 4 players should have been sacked.

They must know a hell of a lot more about what happened in NZ than any of us do.

To my knowledge, none of these guys, including Zac, have a history of doing attrocious things. They've been fined, suspended, ordered to get jobs and do community work. IMO that seems fair punishment for breaking a curfew, having a drink and taking a few legal tablets.

This club exists to try and win games, and ultimately, premierships. You don't just go around sacking your #1 Full Back, your next potential star ruck/forward and your next potential star mid a few weeks out from the start of the season and get nothing in return. That would set the club back 5 years minimum. You don't punish the team and you don't punish the members.

The players concerned do need to pull their heads in. And there may come a time in the future when a player, regardless of his value or potential, needs to be shown the door.

This is surely not that time

At last some reason prevails. Dr Spaceman would be a good Administrator too.

[Thinline]

Why didn't we go to NZ and climb a bloody mountain and carry logs and run in mud and sweat our collective arse off in some kind of military boot camp thing?

Surely ducking off for some kind of picture postcard bungee jump and speedboat ride was a bit on the soft side in the first place?

Weird.

[matrix]

good point
photos with some bloody cricket twits

i prob worked harder last week

[saintspremiers]

good point
photos with some bloody cricket twits

i prob worked harder last week

OS camps = marketing tool for our Facebook site to try and build memberships.

[GrumpyOne]

Club functions are an embarrassment when compared with professional outfits like Carlton. The member is treated like an intruder into the private sanctum of admin staff and players.

I know, I've been to a few. Always leave with a sour taste in my mouth.

Barrack for Carlton then. Seriously...

This whole thing is such an overreaction. I'm disappointed that the four youngsters didn't show utmost discipline but who remembers what it was like when you were away overseas with your mates at that age? It's not a reflection on the club or the group, but the maturity of a small handful of them...

They didn't do anything majorly wrong, the whole 'sleeping pill' thing has been beaten up out of all proportion and I'm sick of people getting sucked in by idiots in the press...

Address my point if you are going to take me to task.

Fork out your hard-earned and attend a club function. See how isolated you feel afterwards.

Never going to change my allegiences; a man doesn't change his religion overnight; but the club should start paying attention to its long-suffering membership.

[evertonfc]

If we do the wrong thing, do people seriously believe we'll get positive press?

Sheesh, some people need a massive reality check.

Quite frankly I'm disgusted by the players' actions. I'm sick and tired of this crap - it seems the fans will forgive the players for anything.

My membership dollars shouldn't be funding Zac Dawson's medication or that 17-year old's accommodation.

They need to grow up.

[thejiggingsaint]

WELL SAID!!!!!!!