Is our Bottom Six that bad?

saintsRrising · Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:38pm

St Kilda

Backs: Jason Gram / Jason Blake / Sam Gilbert
Half Backs: Steven Baker / Sam Fisher / James Gwilt
Centreline: Brendon Goddard / Nick Dal Santo / Farren Ray
Half Forwards: Andrew McQualter / Justin Koschitzke / Leigh Montagna
Forwards:Brett Peake / Nick Riewoldt / Stephen Milne
Followers: Michael Gardiner / Lenny Hayes / Clint Jones
Interchange: Ben McEvoy / Zac Dawson / Adam Schneider / Jarryn Geary

Looking at the team for our final against the Cats, I don't think our bottom six is as bad as the media paints it to be?

B: Andrew Mackie - Matthew Scarlett - Darren Milburn
HB: Corey Enright - Harry Taylor - James Kelly
C: Cameron Ling - Jimmy Bartel - Joel Corey
HF: Paul Chapman - Tom Hawkins - Mathew Stokes
F: Steve Johnson - Cameron Mooney - Travis Varcoe
Foll: Brad Ottens - Joel Selwood - Gary Ablett
Int : Tom Lonergan, Josh Hunt, David Wojcinski, Mark Blake

The Cats certainly bat deeper though.

Thoughts?

kosifantutti23 · Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:40pm

Our bottom six is so good there's only five of them.

bigred · Post: # 980466Post **bigred** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:45pm

Josh Hunt is a freakin MUPPET.

DWOODROW · Post: # 980467Post **DWOODROW** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:46pm

kosifantutti23 wrote:Our bottom six is so good there's only five of them.

????

#1GILL · Post: # 980468Post **#1GILL** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:46pm

bigred wrote:Josh Hunt is a freakin MUPPET.

Disagree, he's a good bloke and a good shutdown defender. Good long kick too.

dcstkfc · Post: # 980472Post **dcstkfc** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:48pm

Kosi is in our bottom 6.

But no it's not THAT bad, but it's pretty average- especially on this year's form.

kosifantutti23 · Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:54pm

DWOODROW wrote:
kosifantutti23 wrote:Our bottom six is so good there's only five of them.
????

Only five players are highlighted

DWOODROW · Post: # 980482Post **DWOODROW** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 6:55pm

kosifantutti23 wrote:
DWOODROW wrote:
kosifantutti23 wrote:Our bottom six is so good there's only five of them.
????
Only five players are highlighted

s*** and I'm not even blonde

saintsRrising · Thu 02 Sep 2010 7:36pm

kosifantutti23 wrote:Our bottom six is so good there's only five of them.

Yes and 3 Cats...

ie You have to choose the extra one...and which three of the Cat's. Sorry if that caused confusion and distracted from my question.

I just highlighted the less contentious ones.

Saints43 · Post: # 980510Post **Saints43** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 7:51pm

#1GILL wrote:
bigred wrote:Josh Hunt is a freakin MUPPET.
Disagree, he's a good bloke and a good shutdown defender. Good long kick too.

And a squib.

saintsfooty · Thu 02 Sep 2010 7:57pm

No to the OP

FQF · Post: # 980518Post **FQF** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 8:02pm

By the end of this finals series, i have a sneaking suspicion that Mcevoy may have ascended from that bottom 6 to the top 10.

He's just showing all the right signs.

SainterK · Post: # 980520Post **SainterK** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 8:06pm

bigred wrote:Josh Hunt is a freakin MUPPET.

Think he is one of the better small defenders actually.

Would like to see Milne shake his heavy attention tomorrow night, probably why he has been playing further up the ground at times the last few weeks?

Teflon · Post: # 980586Post **Teflon** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:51pm

Wocjinski is in/out of the side for them.......dont think hes anything special to be honest and Peakes done as much this year IMO.

Beej · Post: # 980589Post **Beej** » Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:59pm

Bottom 6s in order from best to worst as I see it:

Ottens
Stokes
Wojcinski
Hawkins
Blake
Lonergan

Kosi
Peake
McEvoy
McQualter
Dawson
Geary

bergholt · Post: # 980708Post **bergholt** » Fri 03 Sep 2010 10:16am

bottom sixes:

McEvoy, Baker, Peake, Dawson, Geary, McQualter
Mooney, Stokes, Wojcinski, Blake, Lonergan, Hawkins

geelong bottom six is better, though not by a huge amount.

top sixes:

Riewoldt, Hayes, Goddard, Dal Santo, Montagna, S Fisher
Ablett, Chapman, Selwood, Bartel, Scarlett, Johnson

saints top six is better, though not by a huge amount.

so the game's decided in the middle 10:

Gilbert, Jones, Schneider, Gram, Milne, Gwilt, Gardiner, Ray, Koschitzke, Blake
Enright, Kelly, Corey, Ling, Taylor, Ottens, Mackie, Hunt, Varcoe, Milburn

geelong's middle 10 is more consistently good. saints middle 10 has more potential.

if players like gwilt, gardy, kosi, gram have stormers then we're very close to a win. on the other hand, if kelly, taylor, ottens, mackie, hunt, varcoe are allowed to play their normal games, and be on the upward side of decent as they usually are, then we've got problems.

Saint Pup · Post: # 980710Post **Saint Pup** » Fri 03 Sep 2010 10:24am

If we go by pure talent and skill our bottom 6 is not flash. Which is why Lyon and his game plan has got so much out of the list. It's about people playing a team game not everyone doing there own thing.

Not sure I wopuld rate Dawson in our bottom 6. These days full back is a very hard spot to play. Dawson has not been as good as last year but remember he is still young and leraning the game. How many second year players are a bit flat compared to there first full season?

bergholt · Post: # 980729Post **bergholt** » Fri 03 Sep 2010 10:47am

Saint Pup wrote:Not sure I wopuld rate Dawson in our bottom 6.

i agree with your arguments, but there have to be six players in your bottom six - who are yours, then?

Saint Pup · Post: # 980736Post **Saint Pup** » Fri 03 Sep 2010 10:53am

bergholt wrote:
Saint Pup wrote:Not sure I wopuld rate Dawson in our bottom 6.
i agree with your arguments, but there have to be six players in your bottom six - who are yours, then?

Kosi, Peake, Geray, Mini, Ben and Blake.

Put Blake in there before Dawson as he is 3-4th tall back and a lot of the time doesn't take a few forward. Dawson takes the Full Forward every game he plays.

StSteven · Post: # 980740Post **StSteven** » Fri 03 Sep 2010 11:02am

It worries me that Shannon Byrnes, two times premiership player, who has had a good season can't get into their side tonight!

InkerSaint · Fri 03 Sep 2010 11:31am

Tonight's result will have bugger all to do with matchups and almost everything to do with roles and structures.

The Saints game plan is all about maximising the talents of our players and minimising their weaknesses. When executed by a fit and firing team there are none who can beat it.

Forget about the Cats - individually, that is. Do you back the Saints to be fit and firing? That is the question.

I believe the team is about as fit as they're ever likely to be, and while there are queries about whether they are firing, if there was ever a time to make a statement it is tonight - or bust.

With the stakes at play this September, tonight's game may well be career-defining for the majority of our list. Geelong may wane but there will only be more challengers next year. Our window is NOW.

Very very nervous - not because I think we'll lose - but because so much is on the line.

saintsRrising · Fri 03 Sep 2010 12:00pm

Workrate and focus...

If we deliver on thes we will win.

samoht · Post: # 980842Post **samoht** » Fri 03 Sep 2010 3:07pm

Kosi in our bottom 6 or top 6 depending if he's holding his marks or not...

if he takes 7 inside 50 marks and has 7 kicks - he could be a match winner !

saintsRrising · Mon 06 Sep 2010 11:40am

Well post Cats's game I think our "bottom" players compared very favourably with the Cats.

Indeed Peake played a blinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blake, Hawkins and Hunt were all very ordinary.

Thinline · Post: # 983332Post **Thinline** » Mon 06 Sep 2010 11:53am

saintsRrising wrote:Well post Cats's game I think our "bottom" players compared very favourably with the Cats.

Indeed Peake played a blinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blake, Hawkins and Hunt were all very ordinary.

Having essentially watched the game over and over and over since Fri night it is glaringly obvious to me that we beat the Cats by being a more even side for longer. Our so called lessers - Peake, Mini (had a real impact early on - to say oterwise is disingenuous), Eddy, Ray, Dawson etc were all absolutely busting their arses when we were on for the first two and a half qrs. Conversely guys like Hawkins, Milburn, Hunt, Stokes, Ottens, Blake, Wojinski...All outclassed and well beaten...

Maybe indicative of a bit of shift in dynamics at the top? Hope so.

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