http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/o ... 5877201667In a review of weekend umpiring, Gieschen confirmed frees involving St Kilda's Adam Schneider, Brisbane Lion Simon Black, Collingwood's Leon Davis, Western Bulldog Adam Cooney and Essendon's Courtenay Dempsey should not have been paid.
which / when was this free kick
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which / when was this free kick
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Agree wasn't a free kick but still nice to see schneider get one whether it was there or notplugger66 wrote:When Lenny kicked the ball and it was definately going through the goals and for some strange reason Schneider tried to mark it and dropped it and was paid a free for in the back that certainly didnt look like was there and has now been confirmed.
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This is further to my comments yesterday, that JG needs to be more open in his communication re: umpiring performances and what they plan to do about it. What is the follow up procedure from these reviews?
To start with, I hope Simon Black gets his money refunded, because his abuse was obviously correct.
If, as everyone knows, Scott McLaren and Razor Ray are the worst umpires in the league, what are they still doing there? Or has the entire football watching public got it wrong? They are certainly the most experienced, does practice not make perfect?
The truth is, they come from the old 'never wrong' brigade and should have been either pensioned off by now.
To start with, I hope Simon Black gets his money refunded, because his abuse was obviously correct.
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If, as everyone knows, Scott McLaren and Razor Ray are the worst umpires in the league, what are they still doing there? Or has the entire football watching public got it wrong? They are certainly the most experienced, does practice not make perfect?
The truth is, they come from the old 'never wrong' brigade and should have been either pensioned off by now.
degruch wrote:This is further to my comments yesterday, that JG needs to be more open in his communication re: umpiring performances and what they plan to do about it. What is the follow up procedure from these reviews?
To start with, I hope Simon Black gets his money refunded, because his abuse was obviously correct.![]()
If, as everyone knows, Scott McLaren and Razor Ray are the worst umpires in the league, what are they still doing there? Or has the entire football watching public got it wrong? They are certainly the most experienced, does practice not make perfect?
The truth is, they come from the old 'never wrong' brigade and should have been either pensioned off by now.
abuse is abuse.....fine is warranted....provocation is not an excuse or a defence.....
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They need to take the approach of 'shiit happens'.
This pretend meticulous approach to umpiring is just a joke.
To come out and 'officially' declare decisions incorrect, means they are telling us that over 8 matches of footy, over 800 minutes of football, that the brilliant umpiring fraternity in all their perfectness - only got 4 things wrong.
What a f***ing load a shiit.
If Geischen just said "yeah, of course we made mistakes. It happens, we try hard to get it right but the reality is we don't.", then I reckon most supporters would just shrug it off and not really care.
It's this overinflated self-generated sense of importance and perfectness that give people the irrits.
The reality is, they are the least important people in the game. What ever happened to the saying "you know they've done a good job when you don't notice them"?
They seem to want to 'outsmart' the players in almost every contest with ridiculous technicalities.
Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
This pretend meticulous approach to umpiring is just a joke.
To come out and 'officially' declare decisions incorrect, means they are telling us that over 8 matches of footy, over 800 minutes of football, that the brilliant umpiring fraternity in all their perfectness - only got 4 things wrong.
What a f***ing load a shiit.
If Geischen just said "yeah, of course we made mistakes. It happens, we try hard to get it right but the reality is we don't.", then I reckon most supporters would just shrug it off and not really care.
It's this overinflated self-generated sense of importance and perfectness that give people the irrits.
The reality is, they are the least important people in the game. What ever happened to the saying "you know they've done a good job when you don't notice them"?
They seem to want to 'outsmart' the players in almost every contest with ridiculous technicalities.
Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
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F@$k off.stinger wrote:degruch wrote:This is further to my comments yesterday, that JG needs to be more open in his communication re: umpiring performances and what they plan to do about it. What is the follow up procedure from these reviews?
To start with, I hope Simon Black gets his money refunded, because his abuse was obviously correct.![]()
If, as everyone knows, Scott McLaren and Razor Ray are the worst umpires in the league, what are they still doing there? Or has the entire football watching public got it wrong? They are certainly the most experienced, does practice not make perfect?
The truth is, they come from the old 'never wrong' brigade and should have been either pensioned off by now.
abuse is abuse.....fine is warranted....provocation is not an excuse or a defence.....
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Mcburney is up there with Mclaren.degruch wrote:
If, as everyone knows, Scott McLaren and Razor Ray are the worst umpires in the league, what are they still doing there? Or has the entire football watching public got it wrong? They are certainly the most experienced, does practice not make perfect?
Massive egos who seem to feel left out if they're not blowing their whistles at every single contest.
Vozzo also can be added to that group.
The fact that I know their names is a problem in itself. We shouldn't even notice their existence in the game.
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Couldn't agree more with this one.rodgerfox wrote:Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
FWIW, I don't care if they make mistakes, as long as they address consistant areas of concern...such as Lethal's article this morning.
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You got sacked from SEN for these type of comments Grant. Be careful the AFL doesn't censor saintsational.rodgerfox wrote:They need to take the approach of 'shiit happens'.
This pretend meticulous approach to umpiring is just a joke.
To come out and 'officially' declare decisions incorrect, means they are telling us that over 8 matches of footy, over 800 minutes of football, that the brilliant umpiring fraternity in all their perfectness - only got 4 things wrong.
What a f***ing load a shiit.
If Geischen just said "yeah, of course we made mistakes. It happens, we try hard to get it right but the reality is we don't.", then I reckon most supporters would just shrug it off and not really care.
It's this overinflated self-generated sense of importance and perfectness that give people the irrits.
The reality is, they are the least important people in the game. What ever happened to the saying "you know they've done a good job when you don't notice them"?
They seem to want to 'outsmart' the players in almost every contest with ridiculous technicalities.
Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Yes it is sensible, and it would be a good move.OneEyedSainter77 wrote:The most intelligent thing I have ever read from you on this forum RF - agree completely.rodgerfox wrote:
Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
However when you have a bloke running the umpiring tell an AFL coach that the umpires signal the holding the ball in such a theatrical fashion was "because the fans love it", you have a real problem of perception of who the fans actually come to see.
The umpires, in many cases are not to blame. they are abused for rules they are made to intrepret in such as a way (such as the current stack on the mil, holding the ball farce) that is at odds with the very essence of the game.
Two spring to mind immediately.
1) holding the ball. the man making the play is always pinged when three or four players jump on and hold the ball in. Always thought the first rule of footy was to go for the ball, but this intrepretation penalises the player for doing this.
2) High contact. Any contact is high even if a player ducks their head (in most cases). This means players now dive in head first for the ball trying to draw the free. Head clashes are far more prevelant now because of the change of rule, something the rule was supposed to be designed to do was to protect the head.
I am sure there are a myriad other changes made by the incompetent Geishen and his monkey Anderson that haven't been thought through and the application drives the punters insane.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
http://www.shutupmrumpire.com.au/rodgerfox wrote:Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
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rodgerfox wrote:They need to take the approach of 'shiit happens'.
This pretend meticulous approach to umpiring is just a joke.
To come out and 'officially' declare decisions incorrect, means they are telling us that over 8 matches of footy, over 800 minutes of football, that the brilliant umpiring fraternity in all their perfectness - only got 4 things wrong.
What a f***ing load a shiit.
If Geischen just said "yeah, of course we made mistakes. It happens, we try hard to get it right but the reality is we don't.", then I reckon most supporters would just shrug it off and not really care.
It's this overinflated self-generated sense of importance and perfectness that give people the irrits.
The reality is, they are the least important people in the game. What ever happened to the saying "you know they've done a good job when you don't notice them"?
They seem to want to 'outsmart' the players in almost every contest with ridiculous technicalities.
Get the numbers off their backs, get rid of the microphones, and make their influence and profile as minimal as possible.
What's the problem with them publicly acknowledging that some of their rulings are incorrect? Would you prefer them not to comment, and leave them just as glaring inconsistencies with no guide as to which way the umpires think the rule should be applied?
I heard somewhere (probably here) that the umpires aim at about an 87% correct decision rate. Well, I'm sure they aim at 100%, but 87% is taken as a reasonable humanly-possible outcome. That means we actually do need to accept imperfection. People who rant on and on about umpires being f**kwits, or even corrupt, for getting things wrong on occasion may as well complain about the oval ball bouncing imperfectly too.
No one yells louder at the umpires for wrong (anti-saints) decisions than me, bit getting 1 in 8 decisions wrong probably isn't a bad average for high pressure snap decisions and judgment calls. Calm down.
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I made a mistake at a game once.saint vince wrote:How about the herald sun does a two page spread with every mistake every player made over the weekend.
On second thoughts how about they do a 300 page spread on it.
Player make as many mistakes as umpires probably more.
Just deal with it part of the game.
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If a player on our team came out and said 'Bugger me, I missed 7 shots at goal, the last shot I didn't even make contact with the ball, bwahahahahaa! Still get paid though' would you like them to explain how they intend to improve? Or would you prefer they are dropped?? Sacked??? Umpires should be subject to the same scrutiny too.saint vince wrote:How about the herald sun does a two page spread with every mistake every player made over the weekend.
On second thoughts how about they do a 300 page spread on it.
Player make as many mistakes as umpires probably more.
Just deal with it part of the game.
I actually care very little if umpires make mistakes, you won't see me on here despairing over poor umpiring decisions, we are all human.
The umpire thought Schneider was pushed in the back, so he didn't hesitate and paid it. Incorrect, but decisive.
However I say let Overland take a break for his blatant guesswork when officating the Lions v North match, that is unacceptable.
The umpire thought Schneider was pushed in the back, so he didn't hesitate and paid it. Incorrect, but decisive.
However I say let Overland take a break for his blatant guesswork when officating the Lions v North match, that is unacceptable.
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I have yet to see something about one umpire making seven blatantly wrong decisions. If he did I am sure he would be dropped. However I would think that at least one or two players every week would have 7 clangers and keep getting a game.degruch wrote:If a player on our team came out and said 'Bugger me, I missed 7 shots at goal, the last shot I didn't even make contact with the ball, bwahahahahaa! Still get paid though' would you like them to explain how they intend to improve? Or would you prefer they are dropped?? Sacked??? Umpires should be subject to the same scrutiny too.saint vince wrote:How about the herald sun does a two page spread with every mistake every player made over the weekend.
On second thoughts how about they do a 300 page spread on it.
Player make as many mistakes as umpires probably more.
Just deal with it part of the game.
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If they always got it right I'd have nothing to enjoy screaming about. Reckon the remove the microphone suggestion is spot on. Players have critical error stats. But don't think umpires should have same, but should be quietly dropped to magoos. Why are some umpires so insecure about losing 'control' of a game?
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